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My whole application process has been in Vancouver. Most likely my oath will be in Vancouver in the next few months.

I will be in Toronto for some business in the next few months. Would it be possible to ask CIC to schedule my oath in Toronto instead of Vancouver?

Is it risky?

Thanks.
 
hmirzaei said:
My whole application process has been in Vancouver. Most likely my oath will be in Vancouver in the next few months.

I will be in Toronto for some business in the next few months. Would it be possible to ask CIC to schedule my oath in Toronto instead of Vancouver?

Is it risky?

Thanks.
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Your oath will be scheduled close to your place of residence. The only way you could get an oath in Toronto is if you actually MOVED to Toronto and informed CIC of your move.

Moving to Toronto means: Lease an apartment here, exchange your drivers licence for an Ontario licence, file taxes as an Ontario resident and so on.

Moving to Toronto also means that they will have to transfer your file from the Vancouver office to one of the Toronto offices. This will in the best case take some weeks. In the worst case it will take months.

Long story short: www.aircanada.com and www.westjet.com are your friends :)
 
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hmirzaei said:
My whole application process has been in Vancouver. Most likely my oath will be in Vancouver in the next few months.

I will be in Toronto for some business in the next few months. Would it be possible to ask CIC to schedule my oath in Toronto instead of Vancouver?

Is it risky?

Thanks.
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Some people..geez
 
I actually asked the immigration officer during my interview if it was possible to have my oath ceremony "wherever it is quicker", since I don't mind driving or even flying somewhere else if that can shave a few weeks/months from the process.
She told me that in Montreal (where I live and where my application is being processed) the process is actually quite quick, and that the process of moving my application from my office to another would most likely wipe out any speed advantage that could originate from the move.

What really shocked me is that all files are actually on paper - I would expect that in 2018 a file that needs to be handled by many offices located thousands of kilometres from each other would reside in a cloud, but apparently that is not the case. Therefore, it is understandable how the oath ceremony waiting list cannot be handled in a more centralized way since physically moving a folder from one office to another (and moving an application from one office to another) would definitely be a very slow undertaking. It would be a win/win: they get rid of me more quickly and I get it done more quickly, but as it stands, it seems like an impossibility.

Just the idea of someone in Victoria having to send a PAPER FILE to Sydney, NS to file the application and then having the SAME PIECES OF PAPERS shipped thousands of miles back to B.C. for the rest of the process makes me cringe for the inefficiency of it all.
Maybe IRCC will get to the XXI century (or even the XX, that would be enough, because I'm sure they are not there yet), some time in the future. Who knows, stranger things have happened.
 
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uncomfortable said:
I actually asked the immigration officer during my interview if it was possible to have my oath ceremony "wherever it is quicker", since I don't mind driving or even flying somewhere else if that can shave a few weeks/months from the process.
She told me that in Montreal (where I live and where my application is being processed) the process is actually quite quick, and that the process of moving my application from my office to another would most likely wipe out any speed advantage that could originate from the move.

What really shocked me is that all files are actually on paper - I would expect that in 2018 a file that needs to be handled by many offices located thousands of kilometres from each other would reside in a cloud, but apparently that is not the case. Therefore, it is understandable how the oath ceremony waiting list cannot be handled in a more centralized way since physically moving a folder from one office to another (and moving an application from one office to another) would definitely be a very slow undertaking. It would be a win/win: they get rid of me more quickly and I get it done more quickly, but as it stands, it seems like an impossibility.

Just the idea of someone in Victoria having to send a PAPER FILE to Sydney, NS to file the application and then having the SAME PIECES OF PAPERS shipped thousands of miles back to B.C. for the rest of the process makes me cringe for the inefficiency of it all.
Maybe IRCC will get to the XXI century (or even the XX, that would be enough, because I'm sure they are not there yet), some time in the future. Who knows, stranger things have happened.
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The downside to making your entire file electronic:

Dear Sir/Madam:

As you may have heard recently there was a breach of security with our IRCC system. As such, we are unable to any longer verify the veracity of the documents in our electronic database and require you to resubmit your entire application with supporting documents. We regret any inconvenience this may have caused you.

Sincerely,

IRCC

Yeah, I think I'm OK with them having to take the time to send my entire paper file to its destination. How about you? ;)

EDIT: Please anyone looking at this, realize this is fictitious and NOT factual. DO NOT PANIC ....
 
Alurra71 said:
The downside to making your entire file electronic:

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Yeah, I think I'm OK with them having to take the time to send my entire paper file to its destination. How about you? ;)

EDIT: Please anyone looking at this, realize this is fictitious and NOT factual. DO NOT PANIC ....
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Absolutely not! Then we really should go back to using only cash, having only paper tickets for flights, etc...
If banks can clear cheques only by sending images to each other, I think there should be a way to have the immigration files electronic.

Do you really believe that the risk of electronic breach/mismanagement is that much bigger than paper files being lost, or damaged, or burned, or mishandled, or else? Think again.
I take the electronic records seven days a week and twice on a Sunday!
 
uncomfortable said:
Absolutely not! Then we really should go back to using only cash, having only paper tickets for flights, etc...
If banks can clear cheques only by sending images to each other, I think there should be a way to have the immigration files electronic.

Do you really believe that the risk of electronic breach/mismanagement is that much bigger than paper files being lost, or damaged, or burned, or mishandled, or else? Think again.
I take the electronic records seven days a week and twice on a Sunday!
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A bank only needs to see the account/routing information in order to clear it and deduct the amount of the check from the appropriate account.

Think about the information your immigration file contains.

Your name
Your birthday
Your address'
Your Sin
Your employment history
Your parents
Your siblings
Your spouse
Your children
Your passport/identity numbers
Your physical attributes (i.e. Eye colour/height)
Your criminal history
Your degree(s)
Your birth certificate

I know there has to be more information located inside of these files, but this is the stuff that leaps to the forefront quickly.

With a system that has as much personal information that IRCC has on each of us who have immigrated, it would be a PRIME target for those who wish to cause harm. Heck, things as simple as fitness trackers are getting 'hacked' each and every day to mine for information. So, yes, I do believe that keeping our personal data in a cloud (Which, BTW, has ALSO been breached repeatedly) would make it much more vulnerable.

Paper files being lost (even if it were 50 at a time) is still a far better outcome than 100's of thousands of files being breached at once and all data being lost and/or compromised. Burning, I suspect is likely not in the cards for these places as they would be required to have automatic fire suppression.

I don't want my data so easily accessed. I get to choose who knows certain things about me. I shouldn't be put in a position of my data being breached for the sake of 'I can take my oath 3 months quicker at another office'.

Just my opinion.
 
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Alurra71 said:
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Think about the information your immigration file contains.

Your name
Your birthday
Your address'
Your Sin
Your employment history
Your parents
Your siblings
Your spouse
Your children
Your passport/identity numbers
Your physical attributes (i.e. Eye colour/height)
Your criminal history
Your degree(s)
Your birth certificate
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Have you heard of encryption?
Do you really think that this kind of info is NOWHERE to be found in the electronic world?

Where do you think military information is stored? Files?
I still take the electronic files.

Just my opinion.
 
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Alurra71 said:
A bank only needs to see the account/routing information in order to clear it and deduct the amount of the check from the appropriate account.

Think about the information your immigration file contains.

Your name
Your birthday
Your address'
Your Sin
Your employment history
Your parents
Your siblings
Your spouse
Your children
Your passport/identity numbers
Your physical attributes (i.e. Eye colour/height)
Your criminal history
Your degree(s)
Your birth certificate

I know there has to be more information located inside of these files, but this is the stuff that leaps to the forefront quickly.

With a system that has as much personal information that IRCC has on each of us who have immigrated, it would be a PRIME target for those who wish to cause harm. Heck, things as simple as fitness trackers are getting 'hacked' each and every day to mine for information. So, yes, I do believe that keeping our personal data in a cloud (Which, BTW, has ALSO been breached repeatedly) would make it much more vulnerable.

Paper files being lost (even if it were 50 at a time) is still a far better outcome than 100's of thousands of files being breached at once and all data being lost and/or compromised. Burning, I suspect is likely not in the cards for these places as they would be required to have automatic fire suppression.

I don't want my data so easily accessed. I get to choose who knows certain things about me. I shouldn't be put in a position of my data being breached for the sake of 'I can take my oath 3 months quicker at another office'.

Just my opinion.
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Your data (and anybody else’s data) are already in the system electronically- that’s why when you call the IRCC or request a GCMS report they can locate it right away - although in the case of GCMS they deliberately wait for a month to send it to you, via EMAIL... do you really think when the IRCC agent answers you call and asks you to hold, is because she/he takes that time to sort through piles of papers to find your application ? Lol
 
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uncomfortable said:
Have you heard of encryption?
Do you really think that this kind of info is NOWHERE to be found in the electronic world?

Where do you think military information is stored? Files?
I still take the electronic files.

Just my opinion.
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Yep. Encryption is found on ALL of the things that get hacked, hence the term hacking. If it wasn't encrypted, then that is just 'looking' at public and available data.

It is very much all found in the electronic world, I'm sure. But none of it is compiled so neatly as to be linked to one single person like this particular instance would have.

The military has also been hacked. NASA comes to mind the quickest (albeit they aren't typically listed as military).
 
itsmyid said:
Your data (and anybody else’s data) are already in the system electronically- that’s why when you call the IRCC or request a GCMS report they can locate it right away - although in the case of GCMS they deliberately wait for a month to send it to you, via EMAIL... do you really think when the IRCC agent answers you call and ask you to hold, is because she/he takes that time to sort through piles of papers to find your application ? Lol
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If the files were there in totality, they would have no need to transfer the paper files. GCMS are available with two options. Electronic and then 'paper file copy'. If you want the latter, it takes much longer and they need to physically photocopy your file in it's entirety which is then mailed or emailed to you, depending on your personal choice.

I maintain that all information is not available, hence the horrific answers from helpline when one calls. They don't know anymore than you can find out on your own by logging into ECAS.
 
zeste said:
I thought this thread was about rescheduling the Oath...
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It is about transferring oath to another location other than original processing office to speed up processing.
 
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