Arrima Applications - Invited in 2019 by MIDI
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Excellent explanation with all reference websites,I have been going thru some of the previous posts regarding Bill 9 victims & the new Arrima system. Let me try to chime in with my opinionated opinion
My profile: I was previously on H1B in the US and because of my country of birth, I will never be getting a green card in my lifetime, so I immediately accepted a job offer by a small but specialized software company in Quebec and they did my LMIA and I & my spouse landed in 2016's end.
I learned some French by immersion, nowhere fluent. I am working fulltime and spouse is too. My NOC is 2173.
I applied for CSQ early 2017 and unlucky me, illegal border crossers started coming from Lacolle and the Liberal govt started focussing on them instead of skilled workers like me who are already working and paying taxes in Quebec. Also they were issuing CSQs without any regards to skills/merits but on a first come first serve basis. So a process which was taking 6 months grew to 1 or more years. This also increased the backlog at Federal level, currently its 22 months (thanks of CAQ govt for this, its another story)
So finally and luckily I received CSQ in 2018 October (1 & half years) after much uncertainty and no communications from MIDI. I have seen a lot of people who got into Quebec because of this lottery system. They are now Uber drivers and delivery boys and many of them living on govt. benefits without any tax contribution. They say they do 'Cash only jobs'. They say Quebec is the best province to freeload. It really hurts to be on the short end of the stick when I see these freeloaders in Quebec in particular and Canada in general.
So yes, the Liberal govt. in Quebec was too liberal in attracting asylum & illegals (Media & govt. like to call them irregular in a politically correct way) in 2016 and issued more CSQs than the Federal system can handle and the backlogs continue to this day. Liberals got voted out by CAQ on an anti immigrant rhetoric. Cant blame the xenophobes who voted for CAQ in Quebec because they saw those scenes from Olympic village full of illegal border crossers.
Now CAQ wants to "fix" this broken lottery system and did what most lazy govt. do. Cancel everything and bring in a new system. They also cut the economic quota at Federal level by 20% (Canada Quebec Accord), so the waiting time at Federal increased from 11 months to 22 months currently. Liberals were the ones who started Arrima but CAQ took over and released the system. So Quebeckers who voted for CAQ were appeased. Little do they know that the system is not working yet as intended, after all who cares about future immigrants ? They are here to take their jobs right ?
In short, Quebec immigration dept. is least interested to fix/speed up these things and it will take a long long time. There is no incentive for Quebec's immigration dept to fix any of this. They are under no pressure to be transparent in any of their processes. Only an access to information act will reveal their inner workings. As we do not know the process of obtaining information from MIDI, we cannot know what is really happening inside this dept. without Access to Information methods. We can only know what is published in their website but I do think those are not necessarily followed. (immigration plans, processing times or service delivery commitments etc)
So if anyone is interested, here are the Access to Information letters they have published from their website. You can read those responses and arrive at a conclusion if MIFI is doing their job or not. You will get a lot of stats like how many CSQs were issued etc.
http://www.mifi.gouv.qc.ca/publications/fr/ministere/acces-information/Diffusion-Demandes-Acces-Documents_2020.pdf
Each one is on your own. If you have enough points, get out of Quebec and apply for Express Entry is my advice. Now if you ask me, inspite of all these, why I didnt go for Express Entry ? Its only because I like my employer and the job thats the reason I stay in Quebec. I had enough points for Express Entry in 2016 itself !
Now lets talk about Canada Quebec Accord, many do not know that there is quota limit at Federal stage even after receiving your CSQ be it PEQ or Regular, this quota affects your processing time for PR. CAQ govt has cut this quota by 20% and it increased the processing time from 11 months to 22 months now. Keep this in mind. You are not out of the danger zone yet even if you get a CSQ. Thats why I advice everyone to go for Express Entry if you have points. Now with COVID-19, CAQ's Legault will have to appease Quebeckers, he will be scapegoating future immigrants and skilled temporary workers like us for sure when this is all over. He will cut down CSQ issuances, will also cut Federal quota again.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/mandate/policies-operational-instructions-agreements/agreements/federal-provincial-territorial/quebec/canada-quebec-accord-relating-immigration-temporary-admission-aliens.html
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/mandate/policies-operational-instructions-agreements/agreements/federal-provincial-territorial/quebec/canada-quebec-accord-made-easy.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada–Québec_Accord_relating_to_Immigration_and_Temporary_Admission_of_Aliens
CSQs Issued.
If anyone wants to know how many CSQ's were issued post Bill 9 and under what professions.
Here is the Access to Information PDF link for that.
http://www.mifi.gouv.qc.ca/publications/fr/ministere/acces-information/18210.pdf
Could you please share the direct website link which includes all publications PDF not a specific one so we can got new PDFs once published ?
Does anyone ask via e mail information in regards of their file, I did two weeks ago and I didn't receive a replay yet form them
okay. for me the take away is for 2020 we have 12500 - 15000( this includes 'god knows' PEQ + 1636 Bill 9 victims + 449 non Bill 9 Victims).I have been going thru some of the previous posts regarding Bill 9 victims & the new Arrima system. Let me try to chime in with my opinionated opinion
My profile: I was previously on H1B in the US and because of my country of birth, I will never be getting a green card in my lifetime, so I immediately accepted a job offer by a small but specialized software company in Quebec and they did my LMIA and I & my spouse landed in 2016's end.
I learned some French by immersion, nowhere fluent. I am working fulltime and spouse is too. My NOC is 2173.
I applied for CSQ early 2017 and unlucky me, illegal border crossers started coming from Lacolle and the Liberal govt started focussing on them instead of skilled workers like me who are already working and paying taxes in Quebec. Also they were issuing CSQs without any regards to skills/merits but on a first come first serve basis. So a process which was taking 6 months grew to 1 or more years. This also increased the backlog at Federal level, currently its 22 months (thanks of CAQ govt for this, its another story)
So finally and luckily I received CSQ in 2018 October (1 & half years) after much uncertainty and no communications from MIDI. I have seen a lot of people who got into Quebec because of this lottery system. They are now Uber drivers and delivery boys and many of them living on govt. benefits without any tax contribution. They say they do 'Cash only jobs'. They say Quebec is the best province to freeload. It really hurts to be on the short end of the stick when I see these freeloaders in Quebec in particular and Canada in general.
So yes, the Liberal govt. in Quebec was too liberal in attracting asylum & illegals (Media & govt. like to call them irregular in a politically correct way) in 2016 and issued more CSQs than the Federal system can handle and the backlogs continue to this day. Liberals got voted out by CAQ on an anti immigrant rhetoric. Cant blame the xenophobes who voted for CAQ in Quebec because they saw those scenes from Olympic village full of illegal border crossers.
Now CAQ wants to "fix" this broken lottery system and did what most lazy govt. do. Cancel everything and bring in a new system. They also cut the economic quota at Federal level by 20% (Canada Quebec Accord), so the waiting time at Federal increased from 11 months to 22 months currently. Liberals were the ones who started Arrima but CAQ took over and released the system. So Quebeckers who voted for CAQ were appeased. Little do they know that the system is not working yet as intended, after all who cares about future immigrants ? They are here to take their jobs right ?
In short, Quebec immigration dept. is least interested to fix/speed up these things and it will take a long long time. There is no incentive for Quebec's immigration dept to fix any of this. They are under no pressure to be transparent in any of their processes. Only an access to information act will reveal their inner workings. As we do not know the process of obtaining information from MIDI, we cannot know what is really happening inside this dept. without Access to Information methods. We can only know what is published in their website but I do think those are not necessarily followed. (immigration plans, processing times or service delivery commitments etc)
So if anyone is interested, here are the Access to Information letters they have published from their website. You can read those responses and arrive at a conclusion if MIFI is doing their job or not. You will get a lot of stats like how many CSQs were issued etc.
http://www.mifi.gouv.qc.ca/publications/fr/ministere/acces-information/Diffusion-Demandes-Acces-Documents_2020.pdf
Each one is on your own. If you have enough points, get out of Quebec and apply for Express Entry is my advice. Now if you ask me, inspite of all these, why I didnt go for Express Entry ? Its only because I like my employer and the job thats the reason I stay in Quebec. I had enough points for Express Entry in 2016 itself !
Now lets talk about Canada Quebec Accord, many do not know that there is quota limit at Federal stage even after receiving your CSQ be it PEQ or Regular, this quota affects your processing time for PR. CAQ govt has cut this quota by 20% and it increased the processing time from 11 months to 22 months now. Keep this in mind. You are not out of the danger zone yet even if you get a CSQ. Thats why I advice everyone to go for Express Entry if you have points. Now with COVID-19, CAQ's Legault will have to appease Quebeckers, he will be scapegoating future immigrants and skilled temporary workers like us for sure when this is all over. He will cut down CSQ issuances, will also cut Federal quota again.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/mandate/policies-operational-instructions-agreements/agreements/federal-provincial-territorial/quebec/canada-quebec-accord-relating-immigration-temporary-admission-aliens.html
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/mandate/policies-operational-instructions-agreements/agreements/federal-provincial-territorial/quebec/canada-quebec-accord-made-easy.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada–Québec_Accord_relating_to_Immigration_and_Temporary_Admission_of_Aliens
CSQs Issued.
If anyone wants to know how many CSQ's were issued post Bill 9 and under what professions.
Here is the Access to Information PDF link for that.
http://www.mifi.gouv.qc.ca/publications/fr/ministere/acces-information/18210.pdf
This link is a PDF but it links to all PDFs of Access to Information Act Requests and MIFI's responses to each of them. First goto to link, it opens PDF, then click on 'Décision' links for each requests to see individual PDFs.
For Year 2020
http://www.mifi.gouv.qc.ca/publications/fr/ministere/acces-information/Diffusion-Demandes-Acces-Documents_2020.pdf
For Year 2019
http://www.mifi.gouv.qc.ca/publications/fr/ministere/acces-information/Diffusion-Demandes-Acces-Documents_2019.pdf
For Year 2018
http://www.mifi.gouv.qc.ca/publications/fr/ministere/acces-information/Diffusion-Demandes-Acces-Documents_2018.pdf
Please don't forget to post your observations/findings.
How to request Access to Information of your own personal file in Arrima (I did this in 2017)
1. Download the form & consent form (if you have a spouse) and follow the instructions on that form.
http://www.mifi.gouv.qc.ca/fr/formulaires.html
In Objet de la demande : Mention your file number and want to know the progress of the file. (Write in French)
2. Follow the instructions mentioned in the form, provide necessary details and put in a normal envelope and simply CanadaPost it to the below address.
Tabita Nicolaica
Responsable de l'accès à l'information et gestion des plaintes
Ministère de l'Immigration, de la Francisation et de l’Intégration
1200, boulevard Saint-Laurent, bureau 2.200
Montréal (Québec) H2X 0C9
CANADA
3. First you will get an acknowledgement letter from MIFI within a week or so.
4. They are legally bound to give you your information within 20 days.
5. After 20 days, you will get a table like print out of all the things that has happened to your file.
This is much better than calling them. This will work even if you have applied thru a lawyer or agency. Your information is yours and its your right to know about it. Lawyers and Journalists use this all the time. Now its time for us mere mortals to use this.
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Thanks for sharing this.
Adress inside form is
Tabita Nicolaica Chef de service, Accès à l'information et gestion des plaintes Ministère de l’Immigration, de la Diversité et de l’Inclusion 500, boulevard René-Lévesque Ouest, 7e étage, bureau 7.300 Montréal (Québec) H2Z 1W7 Télécopieur : 514 873-1810
Which address should I use?
Thank you very much , i checked stats . It is very disappointing , it mentioned only 93 CSQs are issued out of 2085 Arrima invitation in 2019 :-(
http://www.mifi.gouv.qc.ca/publications/fr/ministere/acces-information/18210.pdf
3) Le nombre de personnes ayant reçu un CSQ par l’entremise d’ARRIMA.
Entre le 16 juin et le 31 décembre 2019, 93 CSQ ont été émis. Il s’agit de demandes présentées dans ARRIMA à la suite de l’invitation du 4 juillet 2019.
So there you have it. The real numbers from the horse's mouth. I didnt post these links to bring bad news.
But I wanted to stop this "he said, she said" rumours and assumptions about how many cases are getting processed by MIFI etc.
Now that we have stats from MIFI itself, it will be helpful to have informed discussions around that data and plan your future accordingly.
I sent the form today.
Let's see what will happen, but i suspect, if they answer, they will tell me what they can see in the website, which I can see too.
I will be more than happy if all 449 non Bill 9 victims get thier CSQs. But there is no logic in the process queue if they start approving CSQs of 2020 applicants before 2019 applicants.
A friend of mine applied in december 2019 without IELTS, got his arrima invitation in 20 days(VJO) and also got his document request in first week of April, submitted documents last week of May and got his AOR this week. We both are on same application stage now though my process started back in July 2019.
Please understand that my frustration is not out of jealousy here as he is my very good friend but not sure if i should blame Covid19 or just my luck?
I am waiting for AOR since April 20 for couple of docs that I sent them again, which include certified copy of transcript that was very hard for us to arrange again during this pandemic situation but we somehow managed to arrange it since we didn’t wanna delay the process. But all in vain. My first docs submission was Nov 6, 2019.