Our family is planning to transfer in Canada, but my son have down syndrome. Is it possible to apply a family PR excluding our son in the process? I understand the policy and is willing to apply my son on a long term multiple entry visa instead. I just want to know if this is possible, or did anyone have an experience on partial family PR application? Thanks.
Apply PR for our family but exclude my son who has down syndrome
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No it's not possible.
I'm sure IRCC sees it as cruel and inhumane to have a family get PR and not their own son. Eventually his visitor status would run out, what would you do then, abandon him in your home country while you stay in Canada as PRs?
I'm sure IRCC sees it as cruel and inhumane to have a family get PR and not their own son. Eventually his visitor status would run out, what would you do then, abandon him in your home country while you stay in Canada as PRs?
Agree with above. Not possible and pretty inhumane on your part.
Thank you for the feedbacks, I do love my son very much and is very proud on what he can and cannot do. I do take care of him with the best of our abilities, btw this is his cute shots. I made this query not because I wanted to leave him (like I mentioned we plan to apply for a long term visa). I believe my question should have been
"Is there a way for a family to migrate to Canada even if one of my kids/dependents have a disability?"
I do understand the policy of the government not to admit people with disability for residency since it will add a burden to the current welfare system. It also hurts for me to raise such concern knowing that the reason for our family's application being rejected is that my son has a disability.
Inhumane = *ouch* , I don't intent to leave him. I just wanted to know what can be worked out, by the way he has his own health insurance (although the yearly premium for his case is crazy).
"Is there a way for a family to migrate to Canada even if one of my kids/dependents have a disability?"
I do understand the policy of the government not to admit people with disability for residency since it will add a burden to the current welfare system. It also hurts for me to raise such concern knowing that the reason for our family's application being rejected is that my son has a disability.
Inhumane = *ouch* , I don't intent to leave him. I just wanted to know what can be worked out, by the way he has his own health insurance (although the yearly premium for his case is crazy).
No, it's probably not possible. If one of your dependents fails the medical exam by having a condition that would be too expensive for Canadian healthcare (more than approx $6500 per year), then the entire app is rejected for everyone. There are no exceptions to this.
If you went ahead and applied anyways, when it comes time to assess the medical exam you would likely get a procedural fairness letter explaining they are preparing to reject your app due to excessive demand, and giving you a last opportunity to try and counteract their claims. In most successful cases the applicants show the costs to treat the medical condition will not be as much as IRCC thinks, or they have some legitimate plan to offset the costs.
See here: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...ted-procedural-fairness-excessive-demand.html
You mention you have insurance already, but the problem here is that once a PR there is absolutely nothing stopping you from cancelling the insurance and putting your child into the Canadian healthcare system where all his costs will be covered by the taxpayers. It's because of this the app would most likely be rejected. Perhaps you can research if there have been any successful cases involving dependents with down syndrome, but due to the incredibly expensive health and social services cost this condition entails, I highly doubt it.
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This is interesting. I empathise with the Man. While my case is not anyway similar but I think this can inform my case.
I am recent PR and I want to sponsor my parents in future who are in their early and late 60's. Both are reasonably healthy for their age but my mom has a condition and had a surgery done. She has been told she may need the surgery repeated 8-12 yearning the future.( it is a relatively minor surgery as far as big surgeries go)
My question is, which may be relevant to original poster, can I sponsor them? And our family has enough means that my mother can take up a private insurance in Canada, paying the market premium which her age and situation demands.
So is that possible, will that ease Canadian immigration concerns? There must be some way to convince them we will not be burden on tax payers. Otherwise the system seems is designed in such way that they have to be so compulsorily humane to newcomers that they cruelly have to keep out lot of people wanting to come in.
What would stop you from simply cancelling the insurance (which is probably quite expensive) and having healthcare foot the bill, immediately after she becomes a PR?
Also as a PR fully eligible for provincial healthcare, one may be ineligible for private insurance on what is supposed to be publicly funded procedures and costs.
If her condition is really just a possible minor surgery way in the future, she may not be medically inadmissible. It would really depend on the details.
Well yes, she can cancel it immedately. But can we give an undertaking that we will use our own money at least for all known ailments and complications from it? This does not seem very flexible otherwise.
I am not sure if it can be called minor or not. But I think a large percentage, perhaps even majority, of sixty year olds have some or other condition like that.
It’s not meant to be flexible. It’s a hard limit on what the government considers reasonable costs. It doesn’t matter if the majority of people over 60 living in Canada now have similar conditions, it’s a means of keeping the healthcare system viable, which is why PGP isn’t a priority for IRCC.
Yes so as a general comment. It is poor policy. They can make rules that new PR or even a subset of them cannot receive publicly funded healthcare for a given duration. That should solve the problem.
No, it's a fundamental right that all Canadians and PRs have equal and full access to provincial healthcare. Creating "partial PRs" who don't have right to healthcare, will never happen.
Especially for elderly people, even if there was such a rule insurance premiums would get so expensive many would still end up cancelling it. And Canada does not want to be denying the elderly with basic medical attention because they can't afford it.
If a Canadian citizen takes loan from Canadian government or some public organisation he or she puts himself under certain obligations. That does not mean he becomes a partial citizen.
I think this should be viewed as similar. As I see things can be made better for both Canada and for the new PR. Things can change. Never say Never.
They can access peoples financial situation and see if they can afford high premiums or not. If not, do not give them PR. Just like they check we should have 12500 per applicant.
Again, healthcare is a fundamental right to all Canadians/PRs and something that helps define our country, it's not some random public oganization. Especially since PR parents can become Citizens after 3-4 years here. There is no way Canada will ever deny healthcare to it's citizens, we are not the US. It will never happen.
If someone wants parents here long term but only covered with private insurance, they can use the super visa program.
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