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Applied for Canadian Immigration,Under AEO category-Need Help.

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Akshay4384

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Hey guys,i am new here,and need help from you all.
I had applied for Canadian Immigration in Nov 2010,under AEO,through a consultant.
I recieved the Job offer in January 2011.
Now as most of us know,its not an actual offer,and just a way to immigrate(Consultant had told this).
Now i am waiting for the HRSDC approval.
I have already paid a Few thousand USD's for this.
Now suddenly i am feeling uncomfortable about it.
What difficulties can i face?
Am i duped?
 

Scanner

Star Member
Apr 6, 2011
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You applied under FSW1 or FSW2?

The details you provided is not complete. If you have applied in Nov 2010 means FSW1. Which doesnt need AEO if you are scoring required 67 points. And still your AEO is under process.

I am lost.

Please provide complete info.
 

infiant

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Apr 9, 2011
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Hyderabad
Category........
Visa Office......
New Delhi
NOC Code......
0631
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Reached CIO on 21.09.11
IELTS Request
Sent with application
Akshay4384 said:
Hey guys,i am new here,and need help from you all.
I had applied for Canadian Immigration in Nov 2010,under AEO,through a consultant.
I recieved the Job offer in January 2011.
Now as most of us know,its not an actual offer,and just a way to immigrate(Consultant had told this).
Now i am waiting for the HRSDC approval.
I have already paid a Few thousand USD's for this.
Now suddenly i am feeling uncomfortable about it.
What difficulties can i face?
Am i duped?
I hope your not doing it through Sen Immigration.
 
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Akshay4384

Guest
Scanner said:
You applied under FSW1 or FSW2?

The details you provided is not complete. If you have applied in Nov 2010 means FSW1. Which doesnt need AEO if you are scoring required 67 points. And still your AEO is under process.

I am lost.

Please provide complete info.
I am not really Aware as to what FSW1 or FSW2 means?
I have the Job offer through the consultant,and its under the process of HRSDC approval currently.
and without AEO,i dont think,i will have 67 points.
@Infiant,no it isnt through Sen Immigration.
 

PMM

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Jun 30, 2005
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Hi

Akshay4384 said:
I am not really Aware as to what FSW1 or FSW2 means?
I have the Job offer through the consultant,and its under the process of HRSDC approval currently.
and without AEO,i dont think,i will have 67 points.
@ Infiant,no it isnt through Sen Immigration.
CHC is very wise to the non existent AEO job scam these days. You probably can kiss your money and your application goodbye. In the past year New Delhi and Hong Kong have been refusing between 75-80% of applications with "AEOs" as the job was non existent.
 
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Akshay4384

Guest
Scanner said:
You applied under FSW1 or FSW2?

The details you provided is not complete. If you have applied in Nov 2010 means FSW1. Which doesnt need AEO if you are scoring required 67 points. And still your AEO is under process.

I am lost.

Please provide complete info.
I just got to know about FSW categories.
so i fall under FSW2 category.
 

yukon

Hero Member
Apr 6, 2010
909
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Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
People like you who pay money to get AEO's have spoilt the system. You increase the load on Visa Officers for processing fake applications & deny the deserving ones the rightful opprutunity to a timely Visa.

Anyways NDVO is very strict these days with AEO applicants. Expect a rejection if & when you get the AEO first & then your application reaches ND VO for processing. How did you apply in Nov. 2010 if your AEO is still under process at HRSDC?

Really sad that people fall into this trap of consultants for buying an AEO.
 

anoopp

Newbie
Apr 24, 2011
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Dear All,

I need yourhelp,i am also new to this. One of the consultant midas inc,new delhi told me that they can arrange AEO with PR for me. I am MBA and having 5 yrs experience now working with a leading MNC. How will i check the genuinity of this. I need to pay almost 1.25 lakhs before offer,and after offer 1.25lakhs more. Can some one give valid opinions.
 

yukon

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Apr 6, 2010
909
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Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
anoopp said:
Dear All,

I need yourhelp,i am also new to this. One of the consultant midas inc,new delhi told me that they can arrange AEO with PR for me. I am MBA and having 5 yrs experience now working with a leading MNC. How will i check the genuinity of this. I need to pay almost 1.25 lakhs before offer,and after offer 1.25lakhs more. Can some one give valid opinions.
If you are paying for an AEO, it cannot be genuine. An employer has to offer you a job based on your skills & experience not your money.
Better avoid buying an AEO. Try for a genuine job offer.
CIC & Visa Offices are very strict with AEO's due to the high incidences of frauds & reject application on misrepresentation. That means you can even be barred from applying again for PR.
 

anoopp

Newbie
Apr 24, 2011
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agency has told me that they will arrange employer and for that they are chrging.how will we know whether the agency is genuine or not?
 

pearl2010

Hero Member
Jul 28, 2010
597
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Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
NOC Code......
0213
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
16-12-2009
Doc's Request.
16-02-2010
AOR Received.
28-09-2010
File Transfer...
13-10-2010 to LA(in-process 19-04-2011)Rejection letter on 7 June2011
Hi anoop, this is a scam. Check these links for more details.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/notices/notice-fraud.asp
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/multimedia/video/consultant/consultant.asp

anoopp said:
Dear All,

I need yourhelp,i am also new to this. One of the consultant midas inc,new delhi told me that they can arrange AEO with PR for me. I am MBA and having 5 yrs experience now working with a leading MNC. How will i check the genuinity of this. I need to pay almost 1.25 lakhs before offer,and after offer 1.25lakhs more. Can some one give valid opinions.
 

mandiebraxton

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Mar 7, 2011
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anoop,

I am very sure with your education and experience, you will get the 67 points needed to apply for FSW1 without the need of a consultant. Please, please and please, do your research. start by doing the self assessment. go to http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/index.asp. this is a wonderful forum and you can have all your queries answered by experts here. dont waste your money. good luck!
 

startrekker

Newbie
Apr 24, 2011
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Akshay4384 said:
Hey guys,i am new here,and need help from you all.
I had applied for Canadian Immigration in Nov 2010,under AEO,through a consultant.
I recieved the Job offer in January 2011.
Now as most of us know,its not an actual offer,and just a way to immigrate(Consultant had told this).
Now i am waiting for the HRSDC approval.
I have already paid a Few thousand USD's for this.
Now suddenly i am feeling uncomfortable about it.
What difficulties can i face?
Am i duped?
You mean to say that your consultant has found you an employer and he has applied for an "ARRANGED EMPLOYMENT OPINION" ?You can apply under category FSW2 only after your supposed job offer gets a positive AEO from Service Canada. Processing time for a positive/negative opinion takes around 7 months. If opinion is positive, you have to apply under FSW2 to CIO-Sydney for PR, which on approval, your application will be sent to your corresponding visa office for further processing, which I presume is New Delhi. Visa officer may grant or deny you a PR depending on the merits of your case, which again requires another processing time of around 4 to 8 months. The total processing time for the complete process right from positive AEO to denial/visa stamping in your passport may be around 15 to 20 months. If you have already paid your consultant, you have no option, but to wait for your AEO, and sleep tight till that period.
If your employer is a reputed concern and your current work experience and educational qualifications are matching with that required for your job offer, I think, the chances of denial by the visa officer are very minimal. Now that you have paid your consultant, you have no option but to take your chances.
Best of luck for your further processing.
 

startrekker

Newbie
Apr 24, 2011
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yukon said:
People like you who pay money to get AEO's have spoilt the system. You increase the load on Visa Officers for processing fake applications & deny the deserving ones the rightful opprutunity to a timely Visa.

Anyways NDVO is very strict these days with AEO applicants. Expect a rejection if & when you get the AEO first & then your application reaches ND VO for processing. How did you apply in Nov. 2010 if your AEO is still under process at HRSDC?

Really sad that people fall into this trap of consultants for buying an AEO.
Dear Yukon,
Yes visa offices are very strict with AEO cases, but to expect a rejection is stretching the matter a little bit more. The onus of any fraudulent AEO lies on HRSDC/Service Canada. If they properly verify with the Canadian employers, I do not think the visa officers have to be too apprehensive. His case depends on how well his consultant and his so called prospective employers have manipulated the things.
Regards.
 

yukon

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Apr 6, 2010
909
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Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
startrekker said:
Dear Yukon,
Yes visa offices are very strict with AEO cases, but to expect a rejection is stretching the matter a little bit more. The onus of any fraudulent AEO lies on HRSDC/Service Canada. If they properly verify with the Canadian employers, I do not think the visa officers have to be too apprehensive. His case depends on how well his consultant and his so called prospective employers have manipulated the things.
Regards.
This is what the Audit Report on Evaluation of the FSW Program says about AEO's. The onus is on the Visa Office not HRSDC/Service Canada:

Source: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/evaluation/fswp/section5.asp#sub4

CVOA staff are much less supportive of using AEOs as they currently exist because of concerns regarding the authenticity of arranged employment offers.

AEOs tend to be perceived very negatively by all levels of staff across the large visa offices visited. In interviews and focus groups, staff and managers expressed concern and frustration over the due diligence required to assess the validity of the job offers and the legitimacy of the employers.

Initial processing and assessment of arranged employment offers is administered through an HRSDC Centre of Specialization located in Saint John, New Brunswick. HRSDC officers provide an opinion regarding an offer of employment on an indeterminate basis to a prospective skilled worker. In forming the opinion, the officers assess whether:

* The offer of employment is genuine;
* The employment represents full-time, non-seasonal employment; and
* The wages offered to the skilled worker are consistent with the prevailing wage rate for the occupation and the working conditions meet generally accepted Canadian standards.

In reviewing the genuineness of the job offer, HRSDC officers examine the consistency of the predominant duties defined for the position with the duties outlined in the NOC, whether mandatory licensing/certifications are identified, and whether the employment offer is consistent with the needs of the company given its business activities, size and operations. In addition, HRSDC officers assess employer-related factors such as business location, the active engagement of the employer in business activities, whether at least one full-time employee has been working for the employer for a minimum of one year, and whether it is reasonable to expect that the employer will fulfill the terms of employment (e.g. the company's ability to indeterminately support the salary offered to skilled workers)32.

If HRSDC officers provide a positive opinion on the offer of employment, it is forwarded to CIC visa offices where the applicant is assessed against the selection criteria including whether or not to allocate the 15 points for the AEO. In doing so, visa officers may review whether the applicant will be able to fulfil the duties described in the job offer and may conduct final verifications of employers which, in many cases, is difficult to do from abroad. The missions employ different strategies to verify the job offer. For example, the Hong Kong office typically requests a number of documents from employers such as tax return assessments, banking information, financial statement information, etc. Other strategies used include calling employers in Canada and asking them specific questions about the job duties, or conducting further investigation by checking their business registration and company website.

The case studies showed that the quality of applications with AEOs varies across the missions. For example, the Buffalo office reports that most AEOs are approved and points awarded (about 90%), while the New Delhi office estimated an acceptance rate of about 30%. New Delhi officers have been compiling information on small businesses that have made multiple job offers.

Examples of fraudulent AEO applications include job offers from non-existent employers, fictitious positions incompatible with the type of business or business operations, offers of convenience from friends or family members, and genuine offers with inflated job descriptions. There is also a concern in CVOAs that AEOs can be purchased and that clients are being lured to pay large fees to consultants for job offers that they believe await them in Canada. Fraud is generally hard to prove, and AEO fraud-related refusals cannot be extracted from the administrative systems. Some visa offices are conducting independent investigations in an effort to demonstrate the lack of integrity and level of fraud associated with AEOs.

In the interviews, CVOA staff (particularly those from Hong Kong and New Delhi) indicated that applicants often use AEOs to compensate for not receiving sufficient points under the language or education criteria (or more recently, as a means to by-pass Ministerial Instructions and the list of 38 occupations; the percentage of FSWs with AEOs has increased significantly since the introduction of Ministerial Instructions in 200833).

Visa officers in Hong Kong believe that the increase in AEO applications under IRPA has at least to some extent impacted the drop in the approval rates in recent years. For example, as outlined in Table 3‑4, the Hong Kong office has seen a significant increase in AEO applications, most notably in the last few years, and a significant drop in approval rates (from over 90% at the time of IRPA implementation to just over 40% in 2007, and to only 24% in 2008 - likely due to the introduction of Ministerial Instructions). In the view of the visa office staff, this trend might have been, at least in part, the result of applicants abusing AEO in the desire to compensate for lower scores on other criteria (e.g. English language skills) or to get a priority assessment.

Visa Officers note that it may take longer to process a refusal than an acceptance, and this is particularly problematic with AEOs. Additional steps can be taken to investigate suspected fraud and, as noted above, additional documentation may be requested. Concerns often center on the authenticity of the job offer; follow-up with employers in Canada is hindered by time differences. If the visa officer intends to refuse the AEO, he/she must send a letter of concern to the applicant stating the concerns, and provide the applicant with the opportunity to respond. Processing AEOs is generally viewed as highly inefficient and time-consuming, with insufficient support within Canada to address fraud in the process.