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Application Accepted after 1st Reject

3abadi

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May 6, 2018
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DearAll,

I request a help from an experienced member to assist me in deciding whether to reapply again for a study permit after it has been refused today and how to address the visa officer concerns.

The reasons they mentioned for the refusal are :
1- Subsection 216 (1) of IRPR , based on my immigration status.
2- Subsection 216 (1) of IRPR, the length of my proposed stay in Canada .
3- Subsection 216 (1) of IRPR, based on the purpose of my visit .
4- I am not satisfied that you are an intending immigrant .

My profile is as follows :
I live and work in Dubai UAE and i applied for a pre master program in linguistics at the university of manitoba and I was accepted with no conditions .
I hold a bachelor in information systems but I have been working as a translator for more than 7 years after graduation . My company is translation service provider and i have submitted a proof of their sponsorship of my studies . Moreover , i explained in the SOP the reason why I needs to take this particular course to bridge the gap between my previous studies and my experience and that I can not be admitted directly to the master program without completing the pre master course and the university of manitoba is the only university that provides a pre master program in linguistics in Canada .
Any advice please ?

Highly appreciated .
 

AstronomyNut

Hero Member
Jan 24, 2018
507
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DearAll,

I request a help from an experienced member to assist me in deciding whether to reapply again for a study permit after it has been refused today and how to address the visa officer concerns.

The reasons they mentioned for the refusal are :
1- Subsection 216 (1) of IRPR , based on my immigration status.
2- Subsection 216 (1) of IRPR, the length of my proposed stay in Canada .
3- Subsection 216 (1) of IRPR, based on the purpose of my visit .
4- I am not satisfied that you are an intending immigrant .

My profile is as follows :
I live and work in Dubai UAE and i applied for a pre master program in linguistics at the university of manitoba and I was accepted with no conditions .
I hold a bachelor in information systems but I have been working as a translator for more than 7 years after graduation . My company is translation service provider and i have submitted a proof of their sponsorship of my studies . Moreover , i explained in the SOP the reason why I needs to take this particular course to bridge the gap between my previous studies and my experience and that I can not be admitted directly to the master program without completing the pre master course and the university of manitoba is the only university that provides a pre master program in linguistics in Canada .
Any advice please ?

Highly appreciated .
Did you pay your fees upfront? What documentation did you submit to deomonstrate ties?
 

3abadi

Newbie
May 6, 2018
6
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Did you pay your fees upfront? What documentation did you submit to deomonstrate ties?
Thanks for your reply, the problem is that the university didn't issue me any fees the reason they said it will be calculated upon the selection of the courses which will happen only on August and it will leave me with less than a month to apply. Moreover, I registered for the university accommodation but they didn't issue me invoice because the room selection will take place late June. I have a good position job in a managerial position in Dubai and I submitted proof of my salary transfer and the company sponsorship and statement of account. With regards to my home country ties I personally have nothing but my whole family lives in Sudan and all are well earning and have a reputed jobs. I mentioned in my application that I have an aunt who is a Canadian citizen. Furthermore , I previously applied for skilled workers program and I mentioned that also because I was under the impression that dual intention is something permitted by law. What is your opinion , my true intention is to study and advance my career and I will hold my position in the company till I finish my study . Many thanks for reading all this:)
 

AstronomyNut

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Jan 24, 2018
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Thanks for your reply, the problem is that the university didn't issue me any fees the reason they said it will be calculated upon the selection of the courses which will happen only on August and it will leave me with less than a month to apply. Moreover, I registered for the university accommodation but they didn't issue me invoice because the room selection will take place late June. I have a good position job in a managerial position in Dubai and I submitted proof of my salary transfer and the company sponsorship and statement of account. With regards to my home country ties I personally have nothing but my whole family lives in Sudan and all are well earning and have a reputed jobs. I mentioned in my application that I have an aunt who is a Canadian citizen. Furthermore , I previously applied for skilled workers program and I mentioned that also because I was under the impression that dual intention is something permitted by law. What is your opinion , my true intention is to study and advance my career and I will hold my position in the company till I finish my study . Many thanks for reading all this:)
1. Almost all universities open their registration in July/August but allow you to submit tuition fees anyway.
2. How much funds did the statement of accounts have? Why does the company want to send you? Is the company private limited or public? Are the company's accounts overdrawn? Do they have regular income or is it sporadic?
3. Why would you mention you have an Canadian aunt? This is typically a weak tie and if you mention it yourself it gives the impression it is a strong bond and you may want to stay here!
4. Strictly speaking, dual intent is allowed but sole discretion is of the VO it seems (from these forums)
5. You mention that you will hold this position in the company while you study. Did the company mention anywhere in the Letter of Sponsorship that they will grant you a leave of absence?

My suggestion would be to apply for your GCMS notes. I don't know how to but search the forums and you'll get an answer but I think the biggest issue is weak ties to your country. You need to show stronger ties and you shouldn't have mentioned your aunt! Assume they know about her anyway but if you mention her without them asking about her it shows you have some tie.

Below is speculation. Infact, everything is speculation till you get GCMS notes.

It doesn't help that your program is premasters and while I fully understand the need for a pre-masters, the VO may feel it's a neat way to get into Canada since the requirements of such a program are weak, probably, than a full blown Masters program. I think such programs have weaker acceptance rates. Here's a out of box idea: can you get an academic background in linguistics in UAE? Study for a year and then apply. It is an extremely strong proof that you are serious about your program.
 

3abadi

Newbie
May 6, 2018
6
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I agree with you that mentioning my aunt proof a tie but in the study permit form I have been asked to declare if I have a relative in Canada. I contacted the university and they refused to set any amount for tuition fees before the selection of courses so my hands were tight. My company is in the private sector with regular income that exceeds 100,000 CAD per month which were shown in the statement I submitted . The reason I was provided with this sponsorship is that a new line of services to provide translation training and that will require an experienced linguist to handle it operations . In fact it was mentioned in the sponsorship letter that I'll be granted a leave of absence and that I'll continue be on there sponsorship and payroll till my returns. Unfortunately I don't know how to proof a stronger tie to my country other than showing my family property there. Moreover , I really appreciate your suggestion to do a one year program in UAE but that also is not possible because they don't even have a master degree in linguistics leave alone any diploma or certificate. My bank statement show only a monthly deposits of my salary nothing more and I can not rely on it because the whole concept is that I'm fully sponsored by the company . I'll apply for the notes, but I believe that my only shot is to convince the VO that I'm a genuine student and that all documents i submitted are true.
 

AstronomyNut

Hero Member
Jan 24, 2018
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1. Which form requires you to disclose all relatives? Link here.
2. Pick a school that's more cooperative. In my experience, paying tuition fee upfront is just demonstrating to the VO you are serious and the money is intended for your education.
3. Is this net income or revenue? Provide income tax returns of the company next time to paint an overall picture of the company.
4. You should show those property ties in Sudan. They are not a strong tie because you live in the UAE but still provide them anyway.
5. The notes will tell you what the concerns of the visa officer were. The refusal letter is completely useless. The notes should provide real insight to your case.

Also, if your intention is not really to settle there, why not go to other countries where the visa process is much less opaque?

Nonetheless, many applicants get a permit after their 2nd, 3rd or even 4th attempt.
 

Kuldip tiwari

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Aug 30, 2020
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Today i got an email from Visa office, that my application has been accepted and they said they will ask for my passport soon, when i first applied at the end Jan 2018 for May intake, my application was rejected, I got the GCMS reason which is below

"I have reviewed the appIn this day. The PA is accepted to Fanshawe College for 8-month post-grad certificate in Software and Info System Testing Co-op. The PA is 30yr old male, is married, and one dependent child. Both spouse and child are non-accompanying. The PA has one sister living in USA. No other sibs. The PA studied in the UK from 2005 to 2008. Has been working in BGD since 2009. The PA is to be financially sponsored by this aunt. The PA provided insufficient evidence as to why an 8 month certificate program in Canada, costing thousands of dollars the PA personally doesn't have, is necessary for this career to educational development.

The PA is 30yrs old and married with a child. He has been working since 2009. One can reasonably that he would have same savings for this own. However, the personal savings he did show for a modest and not sufficient to satisfy me of strong financial ties. Moreover, the PA has changed job three times since 2009. I am not satisfied that employment is a strong tie.

That the PA is willing to leave this family for an 8 month certificate program, I am not satisfied he has strong family ties. The PA has also submitted several EE profiles that have either been refused or withdrawn. I am satisfied that the PA has strong motivations to leave BGD and remain outside. On a balance of probabilities, I am not satisfied that the PA is a genuine student who will leave Canada at the end of his auth study.
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As you can see my case was difficult, after reading my reject reason i realized getting a yes from Visa Officer will be very hard. I found a friend in this forum who helped and guide me to fix the mistakes i did in my application, I also took help from https://caipsgcms.com/ for my SOP and LoE.
I changed my entire program and applied to Concordia University for September intake in PGD which is a one year course, and gave detail explanation as much possible of my previous reject.

I applied on 23 April, and got the yes email on 4th May.
To anyone who has similar case like mine, dont give up, if you can explain them properly they wont reject you so dnt lose HOPE (superman)
Bro can you please snd your LOE on kuldiptiwari001@gmail.com