APPLICANTS UNDER NOC 3111 & 3112

[Passenger]

Hi dear doctors

I am internist , my app.forms received by CIO on 14 june and my money order has been encashed on sept. 01.
I have two questions:

1)Do you think I will receive my AOR? WHAT IS THE POSSIBILITY OF REJECTION ?

2)What can I do at this time?

passenger

 

[fraz]

hallo
dear doctors where are you.......................

 

[doc sac]

Hi fraz
All are in waiting queue at various levels. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Doc Sac.

 

[generaldoctor]

greetings
I am newly graduated doctor, licensed to work as GP in my country, I am working now as a house officer in one of the hospitals in my region, full time, paid.
my job is part of pre residency training program offered to me by the hospital.

this program involves training for one complete year, full time, paid, provided for newly medical graduate to prepare them for post graduate training. work hours is 48 hours/week.

the training takes place in cardiac care unit (CCU) only, mainly dealing with hospitalized patients who were admitted to the cardiac care unit.

my daily job responsibilities is seeing the patients, taking history, perform medical examination, check and order labs, present the case to the supervising consultant, discuss the plan with the supervising consultant, order labs and imaging and interpret the results, discuss the plan with the supervising doctors and administer the plan and orders and follow the patients to check if they are improving or not.

job description is as the following:
1- Examine patients and take their histories, order laboratory tests, X-rays and other diagnostic procedures under supervision of seniors to evaluate patients' physical and mental health.
2- Prescribe and administer medications and treatments under supervision.
3- Provide acute care management, like cardiopulmonary resuscitation, advanced cardiac life support.
4- Advise patients and their families on health care including health promotion, disease, illness and accident prevention
5- Co-ordinate or manage primary patient care
6- Provide continuous care to patients and perform rounds on inpatients in the cardiac care units.
7- report deaths to governmental authorities.
8- being ale to interpret patient labs and imaging, X rays, ECGs. and manage with seniors the treatment plans.

I completed one year in this program and willing to apply for migration to Canada
what NOC should I use? is it NOC 3112?

and that the reference will be training letter is it acceptable?

please help me with this , its important

 

[Canada3112]

hi doc28,
Do you mind guiding me?
Thanks

congrats dr fraz!
first get ur self registered with pcrc. go to their website pcrc.org and then if u have any prob ill guide u. im still undergoing the process of registration. after it is over then u can apply for mccee. for study material there r different views. some study kaplan notes n others toronto notes. right now im studyin kaplan notes. i think ive to do ethics n some part frm toronto notes also.
all the best!!

 

[kidaz]

Hi all,

I have finished UK training in a medical specialty. I am now in Canada on a LMIA exempt work permit. I'm applying to Express Entry under FSW (inland) for PR. I satisfy the training time requirements (5+ years of training).

To satisfy NOC 3111 do you need to have completed the FRCPC exams? I.e. all qualifying exams in your home country don't count? This would mean nearly all foreign doctors will not be able to qualify for 3111. They may have many years under their belt, and many qualifications, but not the Canadian RC exams. Is this true?!


NOC 3111 description here:

Specialist physicians

• A bachelor's degree or in Quebec, completion of a college program and one year of pre-medicine university studies is usually required.
• Graduation from an approved medical school and specific specialty training are required.
• Completion of the certifying examinations of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada and licensing by the provincial or territorial licensing authority are required.

Specialists in clinical medicine

• Four to five years of specialty residency training are required.
• Two years of subspecialty training may also be required.

Specialists in laboratory medicine

• Four to five years of specialty residency training are required.

Specialists in surgery

• Five to six years of specialty residency training are required.
• Two years of subspecialty training may also be required.

 

[Naturgrl]

Hi all,

I have finished UK training in a medical specialty. I am now in Canada on a LMIA exempt work permit. I'm applying to Express Entry under FSW (inland) for PR. I satisfy the training time requirements (5+ years of training).

To satisfy NOC 3111 do you need to have completed the FRCPC exams? I.e. all qualifying exams in your home country don't count? This would mean nearly all foreign doctors will not be able to qualify for 3111. They may have many years under their belt, and many qualifications, but not the Canadian RC exams. Is this true?!


NOC 3111 description here:

For FSW, you don’t need to satisfy the NOC (be licensed as most IMEs never practice once they immigrate through EE) but you need your education (ECA) to be evaluated by MCC. If you have ECA from MCC, then you can submit your profile along with IELTS.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/documents/education-assessed/how.html

 

[canuck78]

Hi all,

I have finished UK training in a medical specialty. I am now in Canada on a LMIA exempt work permit. I'm applying to Express Entry under FSW (inland) for PR. I satisfy the training time requirements (5+ years of training).

To satisfy NOC 3111 do you need to have completed the FRCPC exams? I.e. all qualifying exams in your home country don't count? This would mean nearly all foreign doctors will not be able to qualify for 3111. They may have many years under their belt, and many qualifications, but not the Canadian RC exams. Is this true?!


NOC 3111 description here:

No you don’t need to be licensed. If you are cou ting any employment or job offer points you’ll need to be licensed.

 

[kidaz]

Thank you, yes I have IELTS and an ECA of my medical degree. I also have MCCQE1, and shortly after they process the SVR, I'll have the LMCC.

Two issues: I have 3+ years of work experience outside of canada, and a job offer. Both confer 50 points, 100 total.

In the eyes of the IRCC, are you saying that these two are void until you complete FRCPC? I.e. you can still submit an EE profile but should omit all work exp and say no job offer? That completely hamstrings me by subtracting 100 points!

Am I missing something here?

Note, this question is quite separate to the provincial colleges' requirements for independent licensing. They definitely require FRCPC for an independent license.

 

[Naturgrl]

Thank you, yes I have IELTS and an ECA of my medical degree. I also have MCCQE1, and shortly after they process the SVR, I'll have the LMCC.

Two issues: I have 3+ years of work experience outside of canada, and a job offer. Both confer 50 points, 100 total.

In the eyes of the IRCC, are you saying that these two are void until you complete FRCPC? I.e. you can still submit an EE profile but should omit all work exp and say no job offer? That completely hamstrings me by subtracting 100 points!

Am I missing something here?

Note, this question is quite separate to the provincial colleges' requirements for independent licensing. They definitely require FRCPC for an independent license.

So you have ECA from MCC...that is good as most people use WES. If you are on a LMIA-exempt work permit, you can't claim 50 points unless you have worked in Canada for a year and have a new job offer letter. If you have a LMIA, then you can.

 

[kidaz]

Thanks for your help. Why do you think LMIA-exempt job offers don't count? This page says you can use LMIA-exempt job offers in EE:

You may be exempt from needing an LMIA for Express Entry if your current temporary job is LMIA-exempt, states a specific employer or employers (for skilled trade jobs, up to two employers can make a job offer), and is:

I can get a new job offer letter stating my employment. I'm aware it must be different from the work permit job offer letter, but importantly the job doesn't need to be different.

 

[Naturgrl]

Thanks for your help. Why do you think LMIA-exempt job offers don't count? This page says you can use LMIA-exempt job offers in EE:


I can get a new job offer letter stating my employment. I'm aware it must be different from the work permit job offer letter, but importantly the job doesn't need to be different.

You can count 50 points with LMIA exemption after one year. This is a well-known clause. I provide the link for counting the 50 points if you have an offer of employment that is LMIA exempt.

• if you have a valid work permit for a NOC 0, A or B job that is exempt from needing an LMIA, and you:
  • are currently working for an employer specified on the work permit
  • have one year of full-time work experience (or an equal amount of part-time work) for that employer
  • have a valid job offer from that employer for at least one year after we issue your permanent resident visa

Offer of employment – Skilled immigrants (Express Entry) - Canada.ca

You can still enter the EE pool with IELTS and ECA.

 

[kidaz]

Ouch! The truth hurts. I think I saw this some time ago, but had selectively forgotten this. Thank you for this. I guess I just need to learn French.

 

[adomanim]

Could be a couple things. If it’s with an agency some ATS systems you can move a new applicant to an “under review” stage which can be considered “tagging” the applicant as your own and then the shitty recruiter who did it so they “own” the candidate forgets and you’re no longer visible as a new applicant so no other recruiters see it and call you.

192.168.100.1 192.168.1.1​

 

[kidaz]

Finally got PR! Came in on WP for a fellowship. Got Aberta EE PNP 1 year in. NOC 31100.