Applicant thinks a baby will help his chances

[canadianwoman]

I'm asking this for a friend of mine. She is a Canadian citizen, and her husband is Nigerian. They have been trying to get him into Canada for years now, but he has a criminal conviction for drug possession, and he was using a fake passport to travel previously, so his case has been seriously delayed. The visa officer knows about the conviction and previous fake passport; however, no final decision has been reached yet.

He got tired of waiting and had an affair with another Canadian woman, who is now pregnant; the pregnancy was planned. He thinks if he gets divorced and marries this new woman, he will easily get his PR visa because of the baby.

I think he has no chance of getting a PR visa now (and his chances weren't very good before, IMO), because he has now committed what looks like 3 cases of immigration fraud: the first marriage now appears to be fake, he admittedly had a fake passport, and now it looks like he wants a baby just to get into Canada.

What do you think? Does he still have a chance to be accepted? Is there any advice I can give my friend?

 

[GetUsHome]

What do you think? Does he still have a chance to be accepted? Is there any advice I can give my friend?

Run far, run fast.

 

[Fencesitter]

I don't see why the CIC would even consider his case. He should be barred from entering Canada. We really don't need people like this in Canada, though I am proud that people would go to such lengths to live and work in Canada.

But yes, run far, run fast.

 

[annabruce]

Canadianwoman, I have an uncomfortable feeling that this friend is actually you. I'm sorry that you are going through this, but sadly this is not a man worth having. Its time for a divorce. Good luck.

 

[scylla]

Zero chance, IMHO. On top of the fake passport and convictions - he now has what clearly looks like two MOCs to add to his file. CIC isn't stupid.

 

[CharlieD10]

Anyone who's spent as much time as I have on CanLII, and your friend's hubby probably hasn't, knows that a Canadian citizen child does NOT make or break the genuineness of a marriage/relationship in CIC's eyes purely by its own existence.

Your friend's husband has a seriously poor immigration history, and this child has zero chance of getting him a foothold in Canada, if that is what he was thinking (unless he is willing to wait 18 years for it to qualify to sponsor him, and hope that by then parent sponsorship is still possible). All CIC is going to see when they pick up this file is someone desperate to get into Canada and willing to use women and children to do so. It's a no go from the start.

Tell you friend to consider this marriage a "sunk cost" for some really bitter experience, and get out while she still can.

 

[SenoritaBella]

The others have said it all. I hope for your friend's sake she has been prudent with her finances, otherwise she could find herself in debt or facing bankruptcy.

 

[Fencesitter]

Anyone who's spent as much time as I have on CanLII, and your friend's hubby probably hasn't, knows that a Canadian citizen child does NOT make or break the genuineness of a marriage/relationship in CIC's eyes purely by its own existence.

That may or may not be true, but in the case of a genuine marriage with a Canadian child, I think the chances are pretty good.

 

[CharlieD10]

That may or may not be true, but in the case of a genuine marriage with a Canadian child, I think the chances are pretty good.

Emphasis on the word "genuine". And that is why I qualified it with the words "by its own existence". The OP's friend's husband seems to think that his chances will be better with his GF because he got her knocked up, as opposed to his wife. I am merely pointing out that, for the purposes of questionable applications (such as you find on CanLII), a child's existence is NOT an over-riding approval guarantee.

A child born to parents who met, fell in love, lived together as much as possible, the usual 9 yards? Yes, he/she is strong proof of a genuine marriage. A child born to a guy outside his marriage after his immigration attempts have proved useless in one direction? Not so much.

 

[cantor2537]

Emphasis on the word "genuine". And that is why I qualified it with the words "by its own existence". The OP's friend's husband seems to think that his chances will be better with his GF because he got her knocked up, as opposed to his wife. I am merely pointing out that, for the purposes of questionable applications (such as you find on CanLII), a child's existence is NOT an over-riding approval guarantee.

A child born to parents who met, fell in love, lived together as much as possible, the usual 9 yards? Yes, he/she is strong proof of a genuine marriage. A child born to a guy outside his marriage after his immigration attempts have proved useless in one direction? Not so much.

Agreed. There have been cases of desperate women or men mothering or fathering a baby in the hopes of making it look more genuine. Once in Canada they flee. Having a baby does not automatically prove the relationship is genuine, in CICs eyes.

 

[rjessome]

I'm asking this for a friend of mine. She is a Canadian citizen, and her husband is Nigerian. They have been trying to get him into Canada for years now, but he has a criminal conviction for drug possession, and he was using a fake passport to travel previously, so his case has been seriously delayed. The visa officer knows about the conviction and previous fake passport; however, no final decision has been reached yet.

He got tired of waiting and had an affair with another Canadian woman, who is now pregnant; the pregnancy was planned. He thinks if he gets divorced and marries this new woman, he will easily get his PR visa because of the baby.

I think he has no chance of getting a PR visa now (and his chances weren't very good before, IMO), because he has now committed what looks like 3 cases of immigration fraud: the first marriage now appears to be fake, he admittedly had a fake passport, and now it looks like he wants a baby just to get into Canada.

What do you think? Does he still have a chance to be accepted? Is there any advice I can give my friend?

The applicant has zero credibility now with the VO. When you are dealing with a subjective application like the family class, the decision regarding genuineness is all about credibility. canadianwoman, you've been on this forum for a long time. You know that he has no chance at the moment.

Run far, run fast.

Best advice for your friend so far.

That may or may not be true, but in the case of a genuine marriage with a Canadian child, I think the chances are pretty good.

"Genuine" is the key word in your answer. This applicant would have a huge uphill battle proving genuineness. To quote PMM, a baby only means you are fertile.

 

[wannabeCAD]

Oh - I agree with other - RUN!

 

[IndianOcean]

Run far, run fast.

You made my day with that

 

[GetUsHome]

Glad to amuse.

You made my day with that

 

[Josephs]

This guy has way to many baggage wow!