+1(514) 937-9445 or Toll-free (Canada & US) +1 (888) 947-9445

applicant received PER in Feb/March...lets connect here

dudegujrat

Hero Member
Jan 27, 2012
644
30
123
india
Category........
Visa Office......
delhi
NOC Code......
6242
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
15/12/2011
Doc's Request.
Waived
Nomination.....
PER feb 20 2012
AOR Received.
feb 20 2012
IELTS Request
sent
File Transfer...
22/03/2012 and 2nd AOR
Med's Request
25 april 2012 by God`s Grace
Med's Done....
30 april 2012 and ecas updated to medical received by GOD's Grace on 7may 2012
Interview........
WAIVED OFF BY GOD'S GRACE
Passport Req..
25april 2012 with Grace of God and RPRF encashed on 16 may 2012
VISA ISSUED...
BY GOD'S GRACE 5 june DECISION MADE 8 JUNE 2012
LANDED..........
21 June 2012
nirmaan said:
and did u ask your employer whether CHC called them to do any kind of BC
NO BRO THERE WAS NOTHING LIKE THAT.....GOD BLESS ALL
 

Miki27

Hero Member
Sep 13, 2011
369
13
Category........
Visa Office......
London
NOC Code......
4152
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
09 December 2011[br]PER...............: 15 February 2012
IELTS Request
Sent with app (Band 8.0)
File Transfer...
19 June 2012 [br]([i]"We started processing your application"[i])
Med's Request
02 August 2012
Med's Done....
08 August 2012[br]Med's Recvd...: 14 August 2012[br]Med's on ECAS: 25 August 2012[br][i]("Medical results have been received")[/i]
Passport Req..
18 October 2012[br]Decision Made: 31 October 2012
VISA ISSUED...
25 October 2012
babbu.mann said:
Applicant NOC Visa Office Current Status PER Received AOR Received Medical Req Visa Issued Landing on
& E-Cas
Ramu5397 0811 NDVO-D Decision Made 15/02/12 06/03/12 04/04/12 01/06/12
emaan 3113 NDVO-D Decision Made 06/01/12 06/02/12 26/02/12 03/06/12
dudegujrat 6242 NDVO-C Decision Made 21/02/12 24/03/12 25/04/12 08/06/12
mayankpt 3142 NDVO-C Medical Done 03/02/12 21/02/12 29/03/12
ladhar25 7241 NDVO-B Medical Done 03/11/11 19/01/12 05/04/12
Shibu 7216 NDVO-B Medical Done 28/02/12 22/03/12 12/04/12
seminole 2147 NDVO-B Medical Req 03/03/12 22/03/12 25/04/12
barack 1233 NDVO-C Medical Done 29/02/12 22/03/12 07/05/12
serge19 7265 NDVO-B Medical Done 16/01/12 10/02/12 15/05/12
Tushar 7241 NDVO-B Medical Done 12/03/12 04/04/12 31/05/12
naikabhay11 7241 NDVO-B Medical Done 12/03/12 03/04/12 31/05/12
princeroi22 7242 NDVO-B Medical req 16/03/12 04/04/12 03/06/12
SairRam 6242 NDVO-B Medical req 06/03/12 28/03/12 06/06/12
goti 7216 NDVO-A GOT AOR 20/10/11 15/11/11
abhay175 3142 NDVO-B GOT AOR 07/03/12 07/03/12
winendine 6241 NDVO-A GOT AOR 16/02/12 10/03/12
spartan300 1233 NDVO-A GOT AOR 25/02/12 15/03/12
Nirmaan 7215 NDVO-A Got Aor 21/02/12 21/03/12
babbu.mann 7251 NDVO-A GOT AOR 01/03/12 29/03/12
Naaz12 6242 NDVO-A GOT AOR 07/03/12 29/03/12
veenpt 3142 NDVO-A GOT AOR 13/03/12 04/04/12
jassi55 7216 NDVO-A GOT AOR 22/03/12 13/04/12
sikh19 3233 NDVO-A GOT AOR 25/03/12 13/04/12
rawlin4bbhh 7216 NDVO-A GOT AOR 21/03/12 16/04/12
toshiba77 7242 NDVO-A GOT AOR 19/03/12 18/04/12
jaggy999 7241 NDVO-A GOT AOR 27/03/12 26/04/12
Smip86 3215 NDVO-A GOT AOR 29/03/12 27/04/12
Takingchance 6322 NDVO-A GOT AOR 03/04/12 17/05/12
jeet sidhu 7241 NDVO-A GOT AOR 11/04/12 29/05/12
syrust 6211 NDVO-A GOT PER 12/03/12
dentist82 3222 NDVO-A GOT PER 24/04/12
abhijeet9k 6212 (Aus)-A GOT AOR 06/03/12 28/03/12
canada_visa83 FSW2 AUS-A Got Aor 15/05/12 30/05/12
arrowsmom 7241 Manila-B Medical Done 03/02/12 21/02/12 03/05/12
Vitvet 1233 SGVO-A GOT AOR 06/03/12 26/03/12
korokoronii 7216 SGVO-A GOT AOR 15/03/12 02/04/12
arwen_aud 7242 SGVO-A GOT AOR 27/03/12 19/04/12
junaidwpk 7216 LVO-A GOT PER 20/02/12
ibtihaj 7241 LVO-A GOT PER 28/02/12
mr engineer 7251 LVO-A GOT PER 21/03/12
Canadiantobe 6242 LVO-A GOT PER 24/03/12
toothfairy_77 0811 LVO-A GOT PER 27/03/12
Klmy 3142 SGVO-A GOT PER 01/03/12
Rafx003 7215 Buffalo-A GOT PER 05/03/12
trying 7212 Vienna Got Aor 25/04/12 18/05/12
shamloo 7241 Ankara GOT PER 02/03/12


I have sort out the info as per the progress by their VO...Ppl got per first are above/on-top in list and those who will get the AOR first will be promoted in the list respectively

NDVO- New Delhi Visa office
LVO- London Visa Office

eCAS Status
A-We received your application for permanent residence on dd/mm/yyyy"
B- we started procrssing on file dd/mm/yyyy
C- medical results have been received
D- decision made


If you all like this post then don't be shy to give+1 to babbu !! LOL

ਰੱਬ ਰਾਖਾ


babbu


Hi babbu,

Can you please add me to the list? Here is my information:

NOC: 4152
Visa Office: London
Current Status: We received your application on 12th December 2011
PER Received: 15th February 2012

Thank you...
 

abhijeet9k

Hero Member
Jan 14, 2011
315
19
124
Australia
Category........
Visa Office......
Sydney, Australia
NOC Code......
6212
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
09-02-2012
Doc's Request.
Sent with Application
Nomination.....
PER - 06-03-2012
AOR Received.
28-03-2012
IELTS Request
sent with application. Overall 8.0
File Transfer...
28-03-2012
Med's Request
04-12-2012 & RPRF Request Received
Med's Done....
3rd line updated - Meds Received 13/01/2013 & RPRF encashed 21/12/2012
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
17-01-2013
VISA ISSUED...
22-01-2013
LANDED..........
Landed on 26-06-2013
babbu.mann said:
that was a delusion, what about if UR in UK and your visa got expired and coming back to India, U won't be able to send your PP to LVO to get it stamped by post...there must be something with address change...make sense isn't it?

Dua'o Mei yaad rakha..I wish u all best of luck for smooth and quick processing!!

Rabb Rakha (ਰੱਬ ਰਾਖਾ)

babbu
No babbu bhai..Jaggy is correct...It is stated that way on Op6 manual ( overseas processing) i have read that 2 weeks ago and and change of VO is only at VO's discretion under the interest of program integrity....
 

tushar.mistry78

Star Member
Mar 31, 2012
146
11
123
Gujarat, India
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO
NOC Code......
7241
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
16-02-2012
Med's Request
16-05-2012
Med's Done....
31-05-2012
Passport Req..
16-05-2012
VISA ISSUED...
05/07/2012
LANDED..........
28/09/2012
Many Many congrtulations DUDEGUJARAT
 

seminole

Star Member
Oct 12, 2011
154
14
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO
NOC Code......
2147
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
27-JAN-2012
Doc's Request.
DD Encashed 20-FEB-2012
Nomination.....
PER Date 01-MAR-2012
AOR Received.
22-MAR-2012 NDVO
IELTS Request
Sent with Application 27-JAN-2012
File Transfer...
22-MAR-2012 NDVO
Med's Request
MR and PPR - NDVO issued letter 25-APR-2012 but received letter by postal mail on 06-JUN-2012
Med's Done....
Medicals done 8th June, Medicals Received in ECAS 3rd July
Passport Req..
Passport received at NDVO 2nd August
VISA ISSUED...
VISA ISSUE DATE 17-AUG, DM date 21-AUG
LANDED..........
PASSPORT RECD 29-AUG
dudegujrat said:
********WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSHA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH******* WAHEGURU JI DI KIRPA(BY GRACE OF GOD)>>>{{ GOT DECISION MADE TODAY}}}}.......I WOULD LOVE TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO HAVE HELPED ME ALWAYS BY THIS THRED......BABBU BRO,JAGGY, RAWLIN,SPARTAN.AND ALL OF YOU GUYS I AM SO SORRY IF I DIDNT MENTION SOMEBODY'S NAME YOU ALL ARE STARS IN MY LIFE BEST OF LUCK TO ALL......SO EXITED......GOD BLESS ALL
Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

seminole

Star Member
Oct 12, 2011
154
14
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO
NOC Code......
2147
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
27-JAN-2012
Doc's Request.
DD Encashed 20-FEB-2012
Nomination.....
PER Date 01-MAR-2012
AOR Received.
22-MAR-2012 NDVO
IELTS Request
Sent with Application 27-JAN-2012
File Transfer...
22-MAR-2012 NDVO
Med's Request
MR and PPR - NDVO issued letter 25-APR-2012 but received letter by postal mail on 06-JUN-2012
Med's Done....
Medicals done 8th June, Medicals Received in ECAS 3rd July
Passport Req..
Passport received at NDVO 2nd August
VISA ISSUED...
VISA ISSUE DATE 17-AUG, DM date 21-AUG
LANDED..........
PASSPORT RECD 29-AUG
dudegujrat said:
********WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSHA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH******* WAHEGURU JI DI KIRPA(BY GRACE OF GOD)>>>{{ GOT DECISION MADE TODAY}}}}.......I WOULD LOVE TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO HAVE HELPED ME ALWAYS BY THIS THRED......BABBU BRO,JAGGY, RAWLIN,SPARTAN.AND ALL OF YOU GUYS I AM SO SORRY IF I DIDNT MENTION SOMEBODY'S NAME YOU ALL ARE STARS IN MY LIFE BEST OF LUCK TO ALL......SO EXITED......GOD BLESS ALL

Friends, I think dudegujarat had a BFD of 45 days since the date MR was issued to him.....hopefully NDVO is moving fast now...
All the Best!
 

toothfairy_77

Hero Member
May 27, 2012
482
7
UAE
Category........
Visa Office......
London
NOC Code......
0811
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
March, 15th 2012, PER received on March, 27th 2012
Doc's Request.
Updated documents request: March, 2013, second updated doc. request. May 2014
IELTS Request
sent along with application
Med's Request
Processing started: March, 2013. MR received: June, 19th 2014
Med's Done....
Medical done on July, 16th 2014, Ecas updated on July, 26th 2014
Passport Req..
PPR1; July, 24th 2014, PPR2; August, 11th 2014, Decision made on E-cas; August, 12th 2014, Passports dispached: August, 20th, Passports received with Visas: August, 25th
VISA ISSUED...
08-08-2014
Dear Friends,
just like other MI3 applicants, my mailing address has appeared 2day for the first time on my Ecas ???
hope its a good sign and the good news are coming soon
Best wishes,
:)
 

babbu.mann

Champion Member
Mar 19, 2012
2,634
224
Brampton-ON
Visa Office......
New Delhi
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
DEC-2011
LANDED..........
November 2012
Applicant NOC Visa Office Current Status PER Received AOR Received Medical Req Visa Issued Landing on
& E-Cas
Ramu5397 0811 NDVO-D Decision Made 15/02/12 06/03/12 04/04/12 01/06/12
emaan 3113 NDVO-D Decision Made 06/01/12 06/02/12 26/02/12 03/06/12
dudegujrat 6242 NDVO-D Decision Made 21/02/12 24/03/12 25/04/12 08/06/12
mayankpt 3142 NDVO-C Medical Done 03/02/12 21/02/12 29/03/12
ladhar25 7241 NDVO-B Medical Done 03/11/11 19/01/12 05/04/12
Shibu 7216 NDVO-B Medical Done 28/02/12 22/03/12 12/04/12
seminole 2147 NDVO-B Medical Req 03/03/12 22/03/12 25/04/12
barack 1233 NDVO-C Medical Done 29/02/12 22/03/12 07/05/12
serge19 7265 NDVO-B Medical Done 16/01/12 10/02/12 15/05/12
Tushar 7241 NDVO-B Medical Done 12/03/12 04/04/12 31/05/12
naikabhay11 7241 NDVO-B Medical Done 12/03/12 03/04/12 31/05/12
princeroi22 7242 NDVO-B Medical req 16/03/12 04/04/12 03/06/12
SairRam 6242 NDVO-B Medical req 06/03/12 28/03/12 06/06/12
goti 7216 NDVO-A GOT AOR 20/10/11 15/11/11
abhay175 3142 NDVO-B GOT AOR 07/03/12 07/03/12
winendine 6241 NDVO-A GOT AOR 16/02/12 10/03/12
spartan300 1233 NDVO-A GOT AOR 25/02/12 15/03/12
Nirmaan 7215 NDVO-A Got Aor 21/02/12 21/03/12
babbu.mann 7251 NDVO-A GOT AOR 01/03/12 29/03/12
Naaz12 6242 NDVO-A GOT AOR 07/03/12 29/03/12
veenpt 3142 NDVO-A GOT AOR 13/03/12 04/04/12
jassi55 7216 NDVO-A GOT AOR 22/03/12 13/04/12
sikh19 3233 NDVO-A GOT AOR 25/03/12 13/04/12
rawlin4bbhh 7216 NDVO-A GOT AOR 21/03/12 16/04/12
toshiba77 7242 NDVO-A GOT AOR 19/03/12 18/04/12
jaggy999 7241 NDVO-A GOT AOR 27/03/12 26/04/12
Smip86 3215 NDVO-A GOT AOR 29/03/12 27/04/12
Takingchance 6322 NDVO-A GOT AOR 03/04/12 17/05/12
jeet sidhu 7241 NDVO-A GOT AOR 11/04/12 29/05/12
syrust 6211 NDVO-A GOT PER 12/03/12
dentist82 3222 NDVO-A GOT PER 24/04/12
abhijeet9k 6212 (Aus)-A GOT AOR 06/03/12 28/03/12
canada_visa83 FSW2 AUS-A Got Aor 15/05/12 30/05/12
arrowsmom 7241 Manila-B Medical Done 03/02/12 21/02/12 03/05/12
Vitvet 1233 SGVO-A GOT AOR 06/03/12 26/03/12
korokoronii 7216 SGVO-A GOT AOR 15/03/12 02/04/12
arwen_aud 7242 SGVO-A GOT AOR 27/03/12 19/04/12
miki27 4152 LVO-A GOT PER 15/02/12
junaidwpk 7216 LVO-A GOT PER 20/02/12
ibtihaj 7241 LVO-A GOT PER 28/02/12
mr engineer 7251 LVO-A GOT PER 21/03/12
Canadiantobe 6242 LVO-A GOT PER 24/03/12
toothfairy_77 0811 LVO-A GOT PER 27/03/12
Klmy 3142 SGVO-A GOT PER 01/03/12
Rafx003 7215 Buffalo-A GOT PER 05/03/12
trying 7212 Vienna Got Aor 25/04/12 18/05/12
shamloo 7241 Ankara GOT PER 02/03/12


I have sort out the info as per the progress by their VO...Ppl got per first are above/on-top in list and those who will get the AOR first will be promoted in the list respectively

NDVO- New Delhi Visa office
LVO- London Visa Office

eCAS Status
A-We received your application for permanent residence on dd/mm/yyyy"
B- we started procrssing on file dd/mm/yyyy
C- medical results have been received
D- decision made


If you all like this post then don't be shy to give+1 to babbu !! LOL

ਰੱਬ ਰਾਖਾ


babbu
 

babbu.mann

Champion Member
Mar 19, 2012
2,634
224
Brampton-ON
Visa Office......
New Delhi
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
DEC-2011
LANDED..........
November 2012
that's done for you miki27. Welcome on borad

Dua'o Mei yaad rakha..I wish u all best of luck for smooth and quick processing!!

Rabb Rakha (ਰੱਬ ਰਾਖਾ)

babbu



Miki27 said:
Hi babbu,

Can you please add me to the list? Here is my information:

NOC: 4152
Visa Office: London
Current Status: We received your application on 12th December 2011
PER Received: 15th February 2012

Thank you...
 

rawlin4bbhh

Champion Member
Mar 4, 2012
1,762
77
Canada
Category........
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
Babbu please update dudegujrat status to NDVO-D....

He also took Shatabdi like canadafsw7216(he is also one who got visa in less than 6 months); hopefully next week will bring more good news...

Even though, I hope to hear something by Sunday evening guys... Have a wonderful weekend...
;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
 

babbu.mann

Champion Member
Mar 19, 2012
2,634
224
Brampton-ON
Visa Office......
New Delhi
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
DEC-2011
LANDED..........
November 2012
I have done it for dude!! but what is canadafsw7216's timeline?

Dua'o Mei yaad rakha..I wish u all best of luck for smooth and quick processing!!

Rabb Rakha (ਰੱਬ ਰਾਖਾ)

babbu



rawlin4bbhh said:
Babbu please update dudegujrat status to NDVO-D....

He also took Shatabdi like canadafsw7216(he is also one who got visa in less than 6 months); hopefully next week will bring more good news...

Even though, I hope to hear something by Sunday evening guys... Have a wonderful weekend...
;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
 

babbu.mann

Champion Member
Mar 19, 2012
2,634
224
Brampton-ON
Visa Office......
New Delhi
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
DEC-2011
LANDED..........
November 2012
Applicant NOC Visa Office Current Status PER Received AOR Received Medical Req Visa Issued Landing on
& E-Cas
Ramu5397 0811 NDVO-D Decision Made 15/02/12 06/03/12 04/04/12 01/06/12
emaan 3113 NDVO-D Decision Made 06/01/12 06/02/12 26/02/12 03/06/12
dudegujrat 6242 NDVO-D Decision Made 21/02/12 24/03/12 25/04/12 08/06/12
canadafsw 7216 NDVO-D Decision Made 09/02/12 03/03/12 24/03/12 19/05/12
mayankpt 3142 NDVO-C Medical Done 03/02/12 21/02/12 29/03/12
ladhar25 7241 NDVO-B Medical Done 03/11/11 19/01/12 05/04/12
Shibu 7216 NDVO-B Medical Done 28/02/12 22/03/12 12/04/12
seminole 2147 NDVO-B Medical Req 03/03/12 22/03/12 25/04/12
barack 1233 NDVO-C Medical Done 29/02/12 22/03/12 07/05/12
serge19 7265 NDVO-B Medical Done 16/01/12 10/02/12 15/05/12
Tushar 7241 NDVO-B Medical Done 12/03/12 04/04/12 31/05/12
naikabhay11 7241 NDVO-B Medical Done 12/03/12 03/04/12 31/05/12
princeroi22 7242 NDVO-B Medical req 16/03/12 04/04/12 03/06/12
SairRam 6242 NDVO-B Medical req 06/03/12 28/03/12 06/06/12
goti 7216 NDVO-A GOT AOR 20/10/11 15/11/11
abhay175 3142 NDVO-B GOT AOR 07/03/12 07/03/12
winendine 6241 NDVO-A GOT AOR 16/02/12 10/03/12
spartan300 1233 NDVO-A GOT AOR 25/02/12 15/03/12
Nirmaan 7215 NDVO-A Got Aor 21/02/12 21/03/12
babbu.mann 7251 NDVO-A GOT AOR 01/03/12 29/03/12
Naaz12 6242 NDVO-A GOT AOR 07/03/12 29/03/12
veenpt 3142 NDVO-A GOT AOR 13/03/12 04/04/12
jassi55 7216 NDVO-A GOT AOR 22/03/12 13/04/12
sikh19 3233 NDVO-A GOT AOR 25/03/12 13/04/12
rawlin4bbhh 7216 NDVO-A GOT AOR 21/03/12 16/04/12
toshiba77 7242 NDVO-A GOT AOR 19/03/12 18/04/12
jaggy999 7241 NDVO-A GOT AOR 27/03/12 26/04/12
Smip86 3215 NDVO-A GOT AOR 29/03/12 27/04/12
Takingchance 6322 NDVO-A GOT AOR 03/04/12 17/05/12
jeet sidhu 7241 NDVO-A GOT AOR 11/04/12 29/05/12
syrust 6211 NDVO-A GOT PER 12/03/12
dentist82 3222 NDVO-A GOT PER 24/04/12
abhijeet9k 6212 (Aus)-A GOT AOR 06/03/12 28/03/12
canada_visa83 FSW2 AUS-A Got Aor 15/05/12 30/05/12
arrowsmom 7241 Manila-B Medical Done 03/02/12 21/02/12 03/05/12
Vitvet 1233 SGVO-A GOT AOR 06/03/12 26/03/12
korokoronii 7216 SGVO-A GOT AOR 15/03/12 02/04/12
arwen_aud 7242 SGVO-A GOT AOR 27/03/12 19/04/12
miki27 4152 LVO-A GOT PER 15/02/12
junaidwpk 7216 LVO-A GOT PER 20/02/12
ibtihaj 7241 LVO-A GOT PER 28/02/12
mr engineer 7251 LVO-A GOT PER 21/03/12
Canadiantobe 6242 LVO-A GOT PER 24/03/12
toothfairy_77 0811 LVO-A GOT PER 27/03/12
Klmy 3142 SGVO-A GOT PER 01/03/12
Rafx003 7215 Buffalo-A GOT PER 05/03/12
trying 7212 Vienna Got Aor 25/04/12 18/05/12
shamloo 7241 Ankara GOT PER 02/03/12


I have sort out the info as per the progress by their VO...Ppl got per first are above/on-top in list and those who will get the AOR first will be promoted in the list respectively

NDVO- New Delhi Visa office
LVO- London Visa Office

eCAS Status
A-We received your application for permanent residence on dd/mm/yyyy"
B- we started procrssing on file dd/mm/yyyy
C- medical results have been received
D- decision made


If you all like this post then don't be shy to give+1 to babbu !! LOL

ਰੱਬ ਰਾਖਾ


babbu
 

rawlin4bbhh

Champion Member
Mar 4, 2012
1,762
77
Canada
Category........
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
It's in your post too bro..

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/new-delhi-mi3-applicants-waiting-for-medical-passport-lets-connect-t106482.0.html;msg1505012#msg1505012

Applicant NOC GOT PER GOT AOR MR/MR Done VISA Issued
canadafsw 7216 2/9/12 3/3/12 3/24/12 5/19/12


babbu.mann said:
I have done it for dude!! but what is canadafsw7216's timeline?

Dua'o Mei yaad rakha..I wish u all best of luck for smooth and quick processing!!

Rabb Rakha (ਰੱਬ ਰਾਖਾ)

babbu
 

jaggy999

Champion Member
Mar 6, 2012
2,337
165
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
LANDED..........
Dec 2013
nirmaan said:
and did u ask your employer whether CHC called them to do any kind of BC
Dear, MI3 applicants would hardly get verification calls to employer, they have already recd final determination eligibility from CIC :)