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[hamed_hamed_hamed]

if the applicant or their spouse or common-law partner completes further study, works in Canada, arranges employment in Canada, or gains relatives in Canada between application and assessment, and submits the necessary documentation, points must be awarded accordingly.

This is a good piece of information.
Remember there was one applicant a few weeks ago, I forgot her name. She got rejected due to insufficient funds even though she had an offer of employment.
As she said here, the reason for rejection(or one of the reasons) was that the offer was issued after she submitted her application and CPP-O cannot accept it even though the letter reached their office before completion of the assessment.

We also had many other similar cases that they did not accept new/updated work experiences sent later to them. I remember we kind of concluded that work experiences will not be accepted if sent later.

 

[TyrusX]

This is a good piece of information.
Remember there was one applicant a few weeks ago, I forgot her name. She got rejected due to insufficient funds even though she had an offer of employment.
As she said here, the reason for rejection(or one of the reasons) was that the offer was issued after she submitted her application and CPP-O cannot accept it even though the letter reached their office before completion of the assessment.

We also had many other similar cases that they did not accept new/updated work experiences sent later to them. I remember we kind of concluded that work experiences will not be accepted if sent later.

Well, she was passed assessment, that is what happened. Now, how we discovered what is assessment exactly? Is assessment PER?

 

[aidina]

It means that the CIO is not responsible to check whether our reference letters contain all the duties listed in the NOC or not, they just make sure that the applications have all the required documents. So we have to wait for a whole year to see whether it is approved or not.

That is right. That's why we pass the first filter even with an incomplete reference letter. After a long time, Ottawa starts the actual process and checks the reference letter in detail and rejects us. That is funny.

 

[hamed_hamed_hamed]

Well, she was passed assessment, that is what happened. Now, how we discovered what is assessment exactly? Is assessment PER?

Both PER and what Ottawa does are assessments. To be fair, CPP-O does more serious assessment. But again they can have their interpretation.

 

[hamed_hamed_hamed]

And add this fact that for my case, they did not deny my letters. The reason for my rejection was not late submission of reference letters. They said we considered your updated letters. This means they implicitly admit that applicants are allowed to send letters later.

 

[aidina]

And add this fact that for my case, they did not deny my letters. The reason for my rejection was not late submission of reference letters. They said we considered your updated letters. This means they implicitly admit that applicants are allowed to send letters later.

JvJ had already provided them with a 2nd reference letter, and he received a document update request a few days ago. My case will be clear in a day or 2, then we can make a better conclusion about this issue, as my 1st reference letter has no information about my RA duties.

 

[N_O]

I suppose the starting point of assessment is when they start evaluating our reference letters in Ottawa.

You're right! This is the actual assessment. I believe that the CIO should evaluate those reference letters, while Ottawa has to check whether they are true or not! It would be such a relief for the applicants.

 

[hamed_hamed_hamed]

JvJ had already provided them with a 2nd reference letter, and he received a document update request a few days ago.

Well, you can say that again. That's why I was so outrageous at them.
By the way, I sent a second email together with my new app. to them digging more into my old app, since my updated letters were never judged by the officer as written in my CAIPS.

Maybe they put my email in the black list, lol , but I didn't want to give up easily. No reply yet though...

 

[aidina]

You're right! This is the actual assessment. I believe that the CIO should evaluate those reference letters, while Ottawa has to check whether they are true or not! It would be such a relief for the applicants.

Yes, because that paragraph is stated in section 9.12 where regulation explains the procedures taken by the visa office, Ottawa in our case. BTW, I strongly believe it worths trying.

 

[N_O]

JvJ had already provided them with a 2nd reference letter, and he received a document update request a few days ago. My case will be clear in a day or 2, then we can make a better conclusion about this issue, as my 1st reference letter has no information about my RA duties.

I hope you'll get good news! If you got a document request or a medical one, that would encourage many applicants to provide updated reference letters.

 

[aidina]

Well, you can say that again. That's why I was so outrageous at them.
By the way, I sent a second email together with my new app. to them digging more into my old app, since my updated letters were never judged by the officer as written in my CAIPS.

Maybe they put my email in the black list, lol , but I didn't want to give up easily. No reply yet though...

I think the response I will get from them in a few days, would answer this question well. Let's see what happens. BTW, hope is the last thing I have these days . If I pass through, I would be very grateful from you Hamed as your case opened my eyes.

 

[TyrusX]

Both PER and what Ottawa does are assessments. To be fair, CPP-O does more serious assessment. But again they can have their interpretation.

They are using assessment on the guide as something that get concluded at CIO and Visa Office level, that is what seems to me. There is ELIGIBILITY ASSESSMENT: 1 and 2 on my CAIPS. I would say the oldest one, is met when you get PER. I would say that some stuff cannot be changed after that assessment anymore. But it may as well be Assessment 2.

 

[aidina]

They are using assessment on the guide as something that get concluded at CIO and Visa Office level, that is what seems to me. There is ELIGIBILITY ASSESSMENT: 1 and 2 on my CAIPS. I would say the oldest one, is met when you get PER. I would say that some stuff cannot be changed after that assessment anymore. But it may as well be Assessment 2.

It says ".... take into account any years of experience that occur between application and assessment...". As what happens in the Sydney level does not take more than a few weeks normally, but for the visa office it may take a few years before they jump on a file, by assessment, they mean what is done in the visa office level not CIO. That is my thought.

 

[TyrusX]

It says ".... take into account any years of experience that occur between application and assessment...". As what happens in the Sydney level does not take more than a few weeks normally, but for the visa office it may take a few years before they jump on a file, by assessment, they mean what is done in the visa office level not CIO. That is my thought.

Yes. But it get's to a point where assessment is complete. I'm pretty sure you don't get medical request unless you assessment is done.

 

[salam20]

They are using assessment on the guide as something that get concluded at CIO and Visa Office level, that is what seems to me. There is ELIGIBILITY ASSESSMENT: 1 and 2 on my CAIPS. I would say the oldest one, is met when you get PER. I would say that some stuff cannot be changed after that assessment anymore. But it may as well be Assessment 2.

As many applications got rejected, we are working on refining our applications so as to not to lose the money, effort nor the time. I beleive the main assessment is the one made before an application gets rejected after a year of waiting. As you mentioned, it can be the assessment 2 or the final assessment that inclue revising the points and everything.

I can write to them an explanation letter that include the paragraph from Op6b.

Hope that is useful. I am not quiet sure what will happen. But I need not to receive a rejection that costs $1,100, 1 year+ of being late in getting the PR. I have a dream and all of us do.