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[asbereth]

4012-Graduate Research Assistant. I understand the newer version is 4022 but I think the duty descriptions are the same.

Luigiovemma, I'm sorry to hear that, that was an outrageous rejection. Even if you don't have any plan to reapply, consider at least to send them long explanation email and letter (slim chance, but go along here with on why I think you had some basis for appealing). The NOC 4012 descriptions for RA go as follows:

Conduct literature reviews, surveys, laboratory experiments and other research for use in scholarly publications

Compile research results and assist professors in the analysis of results and the preparation of journal articles or papers.

Let's try to dissect these descriptions part-by-part, and how they relate to what your supervisor wrote:

1. conduct laboratory experiments and other research
"she designs and performs the experiments, and we discuss experimental design

2. compile research results, and assist professors in the analysis of results
"we ["we" here implies the student and her supervisor, "the professor"] discuss both the experimental design and results "

3. for use in scholarly publications
"This is all in addition to writing up her work so that it can be published in peer-reviewed journals (xx papers published in the major journal in this topic area so far)"


So not only your job descriptions were complete, but they substantially match the descriptions given by the duties and responsibilities of NOC 4012. I really think that this is the case of a super-busy officer that just wanted to rush decision, and I honestly believe that, if he had spent maybe 5 more minutes on her letter, then he would've seen all descriptions from her letter matching those of NOC 4012, easily.

I've seen cases where rejections were based on job description mismatch, but usually, their descriptions only have maybe 1 out of the 5 or 6 described in the NOC. Yours obviously was not the case here, and I really think you have a chance (slim as that may be).

 

[TyrusX]

Luigiovemma, I'm sorry to hear that, that was an outrageous rejection. Even if you don't have any plan to reapply, consider at least to send them long explanation email and letter (slim chance, but go along here with on why I think you had some basis for appealing). The NOC 4012 descriptions for RA go as follows:



Let's try to dissect these descriptions part-by-part, and how they relate to what your supervisor wrote:

1. conduct laboratory experiments and other research
"she designs and performs the experiments, and we discuss experimental design

2. compile research results, and assist professors in the analysis of results
"we ["we" here implies the student and her supervisor, "the professor"] discuss both the experimental design and results "

3. for use in scholarly publications
"This is all in addition to writing up her work so that it can be published in peer-reviewed journals (xx papers published in the major journal in this topic area so far)"


So not only your job descriptions were complete, but they substantially match the descriptions given by the duties and responsibilities of NOC 4012. I really think that this is the case of a super-busy officer that just wanted to rush decision, and I honestly believe that, if he had spent maybe 5 more minutes on her letter, then he would've seen all descriptions from her letter matching those of NOC 4012, easily.

I've seen cases where rejections were based on job description mismatch, but usually, their descriptions only have maybe 1 out of the 5 or 6 described in the NOC. Yours obviously was not the case here, and I really think you have a chance (slim as that may be).

I agree with asbereth. While it's hard, an appeal may go thru.

 

[Luigiovemma]

thanks asbereth for taking your time and typing all the details Very sweet of you!

Well I guess it doesn't hurt to just send them an explaining email. I may draft one as you suggested, but I'm not putting much hope on this.

Luigiovemma, I'm sorry to hear that, that was an outrageous rejection. Even if you don't have any plan to reapply, consider at least to send them long explanation email and letter (slim chance, but go along here with on why I think you had some basis for appealing). The NOC 4012 descriptions for RA go as follows:



Let's try to dissect these descriptions part-by-part, and how they relate to what your supervisor wrote:

1. conduct laboratory experiments and other research
"she designs and performs the experiments, and we discuss experimental design

2. compile research results, and assist professors in the analysis of results
"we ["we" here implies the student and her supervisor, "the professor"] discuss both the experimental design and results "

3. for use in scholarly publications
"This is all in addition to writing up her work so that it can be published in peer-reviewed journals (xx papers published in the major journal in this topic area so far)"


So not only your job descriptions were complete, but they substantially match the descriptions given by the duties and responsibilities of NOC 4012. I really think that this is the case of a super-busy officer that just wanted to rush decision, and I honestly believe that, if he had spent maybe 5 more minutes on her letter, then he would've seen all descriptions from her letter matching those of NOC 4012, easily.

I've seen cases where rejections were based on job description mismatch, but usually, their descriptions only have maybe 1 out of the 5 or 6 described in the NOC. Yours obviously was not the case here, and I really think you have a chance (slim as that may be).

 

[indusvision]

This gives me a thought that CPP-Ottawa officers are much strict and are giving many unfair rejections. \

New applicants should try to avoid CPP-Ottawa office. You can do this by selecting Visa office of your home country. In that case, Visa office of your home country will process your application, but you can always do medicals in Canada and at the time of PPR, you can visit your home country for a holiday and get this done and come back to Canada and land at the same time.

What do you say about this?

 

[asbereth]

thanks asbereth for taking your time and typing all the details Very sweet of you!

Well I guess it doesn't hurt to just send them an explaining email. I may draft one as you suggested, but I'm not putting much hope on this.

It didn't take that much time at all. That's how I know the officer probably spent like two seconds to read the first sentence of your letter, then send the rejection email. It is slim chance, but if you can do it, it probably wouldn't hurt, and while waiting for a response (which will be almost forever), start preparing for re-application. I hope you have most of the documents ready by now for a new application?

New applicants should try to avoid CPP-Ottawa office. You can do this by selecting Visa office of your home country. In that case, Visa office of your home country will process your application, but you can always do medicals in Canada and at the time of PPR, you can visit your home country for a holiday and get this done and come back to Canada and land at the same time.

I suppose if you're an Indian citizen, you should seriously consider selecting New Delhi as your visa office (though passport request may be a hassle, especially since I heard New Delhi has a habit of keeping your passports for a long long time). Unfortunately, a lot of other visa offices are just as strict and inefficient as Ottawa is (or Buffalo)...

 

[Luigiovemma]

It didn't take that much time at all. That's how I know the officer probably spent like two seconds to read the first sentence of your letter, then send the rejection email. It is slim chance, but if you can do it, it probably wouldn't hurt, and while waiting for a response (which will be almost forever), start preparing for re-application. I hope you have most of the documents ready by now for a new application?

Actually I'm not planning for a new application any time soon. Things have changed a lot since I applied for PR a year ago. I recently finished my PhD and am in the middle of deciding what I want to do next. The whole PR application thing somehow tied me in Canada and I was really torn recently in terms of making decisions...But now I got one option crossed off the list (although not in a good way...). Thinking positively, it gives me some flexibility. I could now not have to worry about it if I get post-doc opportunities in the States or just go back to my significant other in my home country (long-distance is hard!).

All in all, I'm a bit upset but not too upset. Will keep you guys posted if I send in the "appeal" email and if (by any chance) I hear from them.

 

[Luigiovemma]

I just noticed something very freaky...

This rejection email was NOT sent to the email address I provided on the application form...I received all the previous correspondence in the email I provided, including the PER email. But the rejection email was sent to my other email account that I use for academic purpose...I double checked all the personal information in the email (including my file number) was correct and it was from OttPilot-Immigration <OttPilot-Immigration@cic.gc.ca>.

 

[Tempestleo]

I just noticed something very freaky...

This rejection email was NOT sent to the email address I provided on the application form...I received all the previous correspondence in the email I provided, including the PER email. But the rejection email was sent to my other email account that I use for academic purpose...I double checked all the personal information in the email (including my file number) was correct and it was from OttPilot-Immigration <OttPilot-Immigration @ cic.gc.ca>.

That's really weird! Have you ever written any emails by your academic account to them? I mean if you use a email client software like Thunderbird, and keep several email accounts in it, you would probably choose another account if you don't check it carefully before you send it out.

Otherwise I can't see any reasons why they found other email address of yours. they don't even want to spend a little more time on your reference letter...

 

[Luigiovemma]

That's really weird! Have you ever written any emails by your academic account to them? I mean if you use a email client software like Thunderbird, and keep several email accounts in it, you would probably choose another account if you don't check it carefully before you send it out.

Otherwise I can't see any reasons why they found other email address of yours. they don't even want to spend a little more time on your reference letter...

Never...I only contacted them once recently through the email I provided...That was to notify them I graduated...The only reason they could have known my other email would be if they actually do some background check or maybe check my publication etc...I mean if they google me that's the email address they'll find...But I don't recall providing that email anywhere in my application...

 

[aidina]

Never...I only contacted them once recently through the email I provided...That was to notify them I graduated...The only reason they could have known my other email would be if they actually do some background check or maybe check my publication etc...I mean if they google me that's the email address they'll find...But I don't recall providing that email anywhere in my application...

 

[Stuck In Quebec]

Hey

That's good news. Maybe you broke the jinx for Quebec applicants. Would you mind me asking which year are you in and which field? I theorize that it might have a role in their decision. Just trying to ease my tensions and see if I can escape these hurdles too without hassles.

Congrats again.

By the way, I am from Quebec.

 

[Stuck In Quebec]

Hey Guys

Wanted advice on a couple of things regarding the process.

I recently appeared for an interview outside of Quebec for post-doctoral position and took the offer. Will it be a good idea to update CPP-O with the letter before they ask me about the intention to leave Quebec. Now begins the questions:-

1. The PER mail says please update us of your job offer and employment status but at the same time I read a couple of posts where they said that the info updated after application is not considered for decision making. Is there a disconnect?? Will me sending them a letter of offer of employment right after my graduation make any difference or give brownie points?

2. What should be the wording of the letter viz should there be salary remuneration, start date etc., duration? Has anyone updated them with an offer from University?

3. I don't think I need an LMO as academics is out of it, hopefully, also post graduation work permit is to give valuable canadian experience to fresh graduates. I was confused with some posts mentioning LMO and need for the line that the job requires the employee to be a PR in due course of time for it to be a permanent offer. Please advice.

4. I traveled home and had a new passport issued. Is it a good idea to update the info? Also in that case should I apply for a new PCC as I traveled outside Canada before they ask for it or sit on it and see if they don't require it?

5. I didn't send my 6 month statement initially? Should I send it too proactively with other documents??

6. Email and mail update both right? Please confirm the address ( sounds stupid, but can't find the older mail)

ottpilot-immigration@cic.gc.ca

Case Processing Pilot – Ottawa
219 Laurier Avenue West, 7th floor, section B
Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1L1
Canada

Thanks guys for all the advice. Fingers crossed, they have touched beginning of August and mid September Applications, might be random but gotta be ready with responses due to my Quebec situation.

 

[TyrusX]

Hey Guys

Wanted advice on a couple of things regarding the process.

I recently appeared for an interview outside of Quebec for post-doctoral position and took the offer. Will it be a good idea to update CPP-O with the letter before they ask me about the intention to leave Quebec. Now begins the questions:-

1. The PER mail says please update us of your job offer and employment status but at the same time I read a couple of posts where they said that the info updated after application is not considered for decision making. Is there a disconnect?? Will me sending them a letter of offer of employment right after my graduation make any difference or give brownie points?

I stop reading on you first question. I think it is essential you send them this new info. THIS info is critical since you want to move outside of quebec, it almost guarantees your application will go thru without this problem.

 

[asbereth]

Case Processing Pilot – Ottawa
219 Laurier Avenue West, 7th floor, section B
Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1L1
Canada

I actually forgot to put 'Section B' when I sent out my documents Dang. how could I make such a stupid mistake... I really hope that they will still receive my documents without delay

 

[aidina]

Applications received toward the overall cap is updated now: 486 out of 1000