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NSethi1976

Star Member
Feb 27, 2016
52
0
Category........
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
8th October
Doc's Request.
14th October
Nomination.....
NBPNP
AOR Received.
8th October
Med's Done....
14th October
Passport Req..
18th April 2016
VISA ISSUED...
22nd April 2016
LANDED..........
Waiting...
Apurvrdx1 said:
Hi guys I recieved PPR two days back !! :)

This is actually Apurvrdx with a new account as the dorum blocked me for some reason. I wasnt able to post anything new or reply to messages.

But after 6 months and 1 week I finally got PPR. I had given up the frequent chwxking after going into maniac mode in the last 15 days running upto 6 months. But suddenly juat before sleeping on friday I get a ping on my phone and there it was !!!

Please update the table for Apurvrdx guys.



Heres the timeline

ITA : 21.8.15
App. Sub : 10th September
AOR : 11 September
Med Passed: 11 September
Additional Documents Asked : 11 September (IMMI5476)
Additional Doc Uploaded : 14 September
No updates till Feb ....
BG process : not required 27 jan
Passport renewal req: 1feb
Passport submitted : 5th Feb
Bg check : in progress 2 march
PPR : 18 MARCH



Thank you all for all the support and inspiration. You were the lighthouse in a terribly long storm.

Hope all of you get ppr soon.

May the force be with you !!
Congratulations
 

hyustern

Full Member
Mar 4, 2015
27
0
Category........
NOC Code......
2172
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
AOR Received.
Sept 08, 2015
I can see... the activity here is reduced .... ??? ??? ??? ???

I called CIC today, the agent suggested that the application is still in progress and no final decision is made, yet.
This wait is getting difficult and difficult every day .... :( :( :( :(
 

denga

Star Member
Oct 25, 2014
50
0
hyustern said:
I can see... the activity here is reduced .... ??? ??? ??? ???

I called CIC today, the agent suggested that the application is still in progress and no final decision is made, yet.
This wait is getting difficult and difficult every day .... :( :( :( :(
Yes, this week will cross the 6 months mark.
Are you inland, did they request any documentation during the process?
 

hyustern

Full Member
Mar 4, 2015
27
0
Category........
NOC Code......
2172
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
AOR Received.
Sept 08, 2015
denga said:
Yes, this week will cross the 6 months mark.
Are you inland, did they request any documentation during the process?
I am inland. No document is asked during the process; however, I sent update to my application when I changed job and that in January.
 

DreamCanada16

Hero Member
Feb 11, 2016
517
13
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
09-09-2015
AOR Received.
09-09-2015
Passport Req..
6th December 2016
I m 6 month plus 2 weeks(almost ) and still counting
 

DreamCanada16

Hero Member
Feb 11, 2016
517
13
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
09-09-2015
AOR Received.
09-09-2015
Passport Req..
6th December 2016
As per CIC helpline agent everything is clear and done, only security is in process.

I have ordered GCMS notes in past but nothing much in those. I m expecting new gcms in this week. I hope i ll get good new before that.
 

JustCanada

Star Member
Feb 9, 2015
112
3
Philippines
Visa Office......
Ottawa/Manila
NOC Code......
1111
Doc's Request.
16 September 2015-IELTS and 02 February 2016 -Bank Records & Payslips
AOR Received.
10 September 2015
Passport Req..
June 9, 2016
VISA ISSUED...
July 2016
LANDED..........
August 9, 2016 (To GOD be the glory!)
legalfalcon said:
Congratulations!!

Hi legalfalcon! How are you?
I received the reply from CPC-CTD-Ottawa on my inquiry regarding my application:

Dear applicant,

Please be informed that we are still awaiting the results of some in some internal processing prior to the finalization of your application. As a result, the assessment period will be outside of our posted processing times.
Unfortunately, we are not able to provide you with a date on which your file will be finalized.
Please be assured that you will be contacted immediately should further information be required or regarding the next steps in your file.
We thank you for your patience and for keeping your correspondence to a minimum.

Regards,
GO14051
Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada | Immigration, Réfugiés et Citoyenneté Canada
Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada


Legalfalcon, may i please ask you if writing to them and having their respond somehow helps since CIC has looked into our application? Or this is just the same as canned reply from CIC? Would this somehow have a little benefit than not inquiring at all?
Thanks very much!
 

DreamCanada16

Hero Member
Feb 11, 2016
517
13
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
09-09-2015
AOR Received.
09-09-2015
Passport Req..
6th December 2016
JustCanada said:
Hi legalfalcon! How are you?
I received the reply from CPC-CTD-Ottawa on my inquiry regarding my application:

Dear applicant,

Please be informed that we are still awaiting the results of some in some internal processing prior to the finalization of your application. As a result, the assessment period will be outside of our posted processing times.
Unfortunately, we are not able to provide you with a date on which your file will be finalized.
Please be assured that you will be contacted immediately should further information be required or regarding the next steps in your file.
We thank you for your patience and for keeping your correspondence to a minimum.

Regards,
GO14051
Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada | Immigration, Réfugiés et Citoyenneté Canada
Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada


Legalfalcon, may i please ask you if writing to them and having their respond somehow helps since CIC has looked into our application? Or this is just the same as canned reply from CIC? Would this somehow have a little benefit than not inquiring at all?
Thanks very much!
I think asking them over the phone or writing to them won't speed up the process. Every application which has crossed 6 month processing time should be on their priority. Its good you got the info that at what stage your application is now.

I think best thing to do is wait , relax and pray
 

legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,048
9,916
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
JustCanada said:
Hi legalfalcon! How are you?
I received the reply from CPC-CTD-Ottawa on my inquiry regarding my application:

Dear applicant,

Please be informed that we are still awaiting the results of some in some internal processing prior to the finalization of your application. As a result, the assessment period will be outside of our posted processing times.
Unfortunately, we are not able to provide you with a date on which your file will be finalized.
Please be assured that you will be contacted immediately should further information be required or regarding the next steps in your file.
We thank you for your patience and for keeping your correspondence to a minimum.

Regards,
GO14051
Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada | Immigration, Réfugiés et Citoyenneté Canada
Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada


Legalfalcon, may i please ask you if writing to them and having their respond somehow helps since CIC has looked into our application? Or this is just the same as canned reply from CIC? Would this somehow have a little benefit than not inquiring at all?
Thanks very much!
This response suggests that you application is under the BGC. Usually at this stage it is not in the hands of CIC, but the CSIS and RCMP to run the security checks and let CIC know. This will neither delay not expedite your application, but, since an agent has looked it up, it should help them know that this application has been pending for over 6 months.

Have you ordered the GCMS notes?
 

legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,048
9,916
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
JustCanada said:
Hi legalfalcon! How are you?
I received the reply from CPC-CTD-Ottawa on my inquiry regarding my application:

Dear applicant,

Please be informed that we are still awaiting the results of some in some internal processing prior to the finalization of your application. As a result, the assessment period will be outside of our posted processing times.
Unfortunately, we are not able to provide you with a date on which your file will be finalized.
Please be assured that you will be contacted immediately should further information be required or regarding the next steps in your file.
We thank you for your patience and for keeping your correspondence to a minimum.

Regards,
GO14051
Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada | Immigration, Réfugiés et Citoyenneté Canada
Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada


Legalfalcon, may i please ask you if writing to them and having their respond somehow helps since CIC has looked into our application? Or this is just the same as canned reply from CIC? Would this somehow have a little benefit than not inquiring at all?
Thanks very much!
Here is an old document explaining how the BGC are done. This is way old and since then the procedures have changed a lot, but it still helps to have overview and understand the various things that go in before approving the application.

http://fas.org/asmp/campaigns/control/Canadianexemptionsfoia/FOIA_4_22_05/P5HX.pdf
 

sharma1990

Hero Member
Apr 5, 2015
923
15
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
Sorry to interrupt you guys but i am aug applicant and still waiting i got my gcms notes and it says this

Enquiry from the office of: Mike Lake Spoke to: Judith CEC app rec'd 13aug2015 no sel dec yet​c's
not started meds​completed, v/u 18ju12016 advised mp assistant that enhanced b/g checks are ongoing
pptimes 6 months MEU Officer: Marc Date of enquiry: Jan 21 2016

If someone could help me that what is enhanced b/g checks and what they do in it

Thanks guys
 

JustCanada

Star Member
Feb 9, 2015
112
3
Philippines
Visa Office......
Ottawa/Manila
NOC Code......
1111
Doc's Request.
16 September 2015-IELTS and 02 February 2016 -Bank Records & Payslips
AOR Received.
10 September 2015
Passport Req..
June 9, 2016
VISA ISSUED...
July 2016
LANDED..........
August 9, 2016 (To GOD be the glory!)
legalfalcon said:
Here is an old document explaining how the BGC are done. This is way old and since then the procedures have changed a lot, but it still helps to have overview and understand the various things that go in before approving the application.

http://fas.org/asmp/campaigns/control/Canadianexemptionsfoia/FOIA_4_22_05/P5HX.pdf
Thank you very much LegalFalcon & DreamCanada16 for the fast responds!
May I please know from you if having the BGC being done means that the eligibility check is already ok?
The way I see it, since we were requested for proof of funds last Feb 1, 2016 means that they are now on BGC and already done with eligibility.
Could it also be that since I stayed in Hawaii for more than 6 months and has given them the FBI PCC, the criminality check takes a bit of time?
Again thank you very much & may God bless us with the joy of receiving the RFV mail soon!
 

legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,048
9,916
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
JustCanada said:
Thank you very much LegalFalcon & DreamCanada16 for the fast responds!
May I please know from you if having the BGC being done means that the eligibility check is already ok?
The way I see it, since we were requested for proof of funds last Feb 1, 2016 means that they are now on BGC and already done with eligibility.
Could it also be that since I stayed in Hawaii for more than 6 months and has given them the FBI PCC, the criminality check takes a bit of time?
Again thank you very much & may God bless us with the joy of receiving the RFV mail soon!
To answer that you have to have the GCMS notes. Once the eligibility is done, then only the security and criminality is left. I posted a detailed post sometime back. I am posting it again for your benefit.

As per the trends, your eligibility is cleared within the first 5 months and then what is left is the security and criminality. This is for the FSW (outland). For the inland applicants, the process is different, their BGC goes in progress within a few days after they receive the AoR. So its is difficult to predict if it is just a technical issue, or the BGC is initiated sooner in the application.

The anatomy of an standard application is as follows:

1. Enter the EE pool.

2. Receive the ITA.

3. File application and supporting documents.

4. AoR - Automatically acknowledged, usually on the same day as submission.

5. The first step is to check for completeness. This usually triggers the application review "IN PROGRESS." This is done at the Centralized Intake Office (CIO).

6. Next stage is the R10 review. This is the first stringent check of the application against the EE profile you created. The Regulation 10 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations imposes a strict liability on the applicants to account for all documents uploaded, satisfy what was stated in the EE profile, and ensure that there are no gaps. If you do not provide the documents or they are filed incorrectly, your application can be rejected due to the strict liability on the applicant under this regulation. However, a lot depends on the agent reviewing the file. Under the R 10 review your IELTS, ECA are checked against the websites to ascertain that there is no misrepresentation. (R10 review is done within the 1-3 months of filing the application). If an applicants age has changed from EE profile to ITA, then the same is recorded and his score is affected. This is also done at the CIO level. Most of the applications are rejected here.

7. At the R10 review if you have any documents missing, the application is rejected, or more time is given to file the document if there is a Letter of Explanation (LoE). It largely depends on the agent reviewing it. Some are brutal and will reject the application even for a minor error.

8. Usually by this stage the medicals are also passed. Recently some applicants received request to re-access their medicals when the file reached the Local Visa Office (LVO). I have a theory for this, but in most cases, once the medicals are passed, they are good until the final review stage. The applicants who received a re-assesment for the medicals could be because of two reasons:
a. The doctor or the facility which examined them had a complaint against it, or the CIC found something fishy about how things were being conducted there; or
b. The medicals did not disclose the required parameters, or the applicant had an underlying medical issue, which the CIC wanted to get re-assessed.

8. Now the next stage is to determine eligibility, i.e. whether the application meets the program prerequisites under which it is filed. For FSW, your experience, letters of reference, education, etc are in order. For the PNP, FSW and your nomination is present, for CEC, your Canadian experience is on file. And, so on so forth for the other categories. The objective here is to review whether you meet the program threshold and what you claim is correct. If there is any suspicion, or things don't sound good, the agent can send you application for further review. Which includes an interview, extra doc request etc. If the applicant meets the requirements, and his score is over the cut off for the ITA she received, his eligibility is passed. If there are issues, they will be addressed. This usually happens at the LVO. This stage happens when the application is usually 4-5 months into the process. At this stage, if the eligibility is met, the chances of refusal considerably go down, unless there is a criminal history. However, if your score goes down due to CIC not acknowledging your experience, NOC and reference letters not matching, or a change in age, the application is rejected.

9. As soon as the eligibility is met, next comes the security and criminality (or background check). Usually the criminality is met through the Police Clearance Certificates (PCC) uploaded with the application. If the applicant has been to a country which is suspicious, or your travel history does show frequent visits to a country without any explanation, the same are recorded and evaluated. If things look good, your criminality is passed. A lot of applicants receive a request for Schedule A at this stage to ensure no gap time is present and the history is clear.

10. The last and the final stage is the security. This is a serious & time-consuming stage, involving many agencies, including Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), International Police (INTERPOL), Criminal Database Checking & touch-base with Local Police. Many things are considered here. Number of countries visited, Applicant coming from 'certain' countries, past law enforcement or military record, Prolonged stay in a country w/out sufficient docs to prove cause, frequent traveling to certain nations, your *Name (?), Inter-Religion/Nationality Marriages etc. If everything is simple & straight, the file soon gets into the 'final review' stage. If there are any 'red flags', the case goes into a 'spin'. Then the file might go to the local Police/intelligence agencies; the outcome/timeframe of which is beyond the control of CIC. And thereby the timeframe can be anything [sometimes beyond 1yr]. But, usually this stage should be over within 1-2 months. However, a point to be noted is that the applicant can also be called for an Interview [at this stage], due to this reason. For some people the security has a quick turn around. But in the last two weeks a lot of applicants are stuck at this stage.

11. At the final review, when the security results come in, the PPR is issued.

Now, this is NO way is a generalization of the process. Some applications are processed much faster, some are slow. This is what I could gather from my GCMS notes, my experience with dealing with the immigration authorities in US on behalf of my clients and my personal application which is still in progress.

This is only for information to provide a picture about the process, but CIC has never disclosed their processing procedure. However, looking into some immigration cases, and the information through the GCMS notes available on the forum, this is the best generalization I could come up with. Albeit, for some applicants the criminality is done before the eligibility is checked, for other after. So please don't debate as to how one case you saw was different from what I have stated.

This is just an overview. If you do not find it appealing, just ignore it. If it was up to me, I would process all applications much faster.

But, this is a long wait and probably the most important decision you will make in your life. Be optimistic, helpful and supportive of others. This forum is an excellent resource for many, so even when you receive your PPR, please hang on for a few more months and update your timelines and answer any questions other applicants may have. Don't be a parasite.
 

fpaikar

Hero Member
Jul 15, 2013
611
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legalfalcon said:
To answer that you have to have the GCMS notes. Once the eligibility is done, then only the security and criminality is left. I posted a detailed post sometime back. I am posting it again for your benefit.

As per the trends, your eligibility is cleared within the first 5 months and then what is left is the security and criminality. This is for the FSW (outland). For the inland applicants, the process is different, their BGC goes in progress within a few days after they receive the AoR. So its is difficult to predict if it is just a technical issue, or the BGC is initiated sooner in the application.

The anatomy of an standard application is as follows:

1. Enter the EE pool.

2. Receive the ITA.

3. File application and supporting documents.

4. AoR - Automatically acknowledged, usually on the same day as submission.

5. The first step is to check for completeness. This usually triggers the application review "IN PROGRESS." This is done at the Centralized Intake Office (CIO).

6. Next stage is the R10 review. This is the first stringent check of the application against the EE profile you created. The Regulation 10 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations imposes a strict liability on the applicants to account for all documents uploaded, satisfy what was stated in the EE profile, and ensure that there are no gaps. If you do not provide the documents or they are filed incorrectly, your application can be rejected due to the strict liability on the applicant under this regulation. However, a lot depends on the agent reviewing the file. Under the R 10 review your IELTS, ECA are checked against the websites to ascertain that there is no misrepresentation. (R10 review is done within the 1-3 months of filing the application). If an applicants age has changed from EE profile to ITA, then the same is recorded and his score is affected. This is also done at the CIO level. Most of the applications are rejected here.

7. At the R10 review if you have any documents missing, the application is rejected, or more time is given to file the document if there is a Letter of Explanation (LoE). It largely depends on the agent reviewing it. Some are brutal and will reject the application even for a minor error.

8. Usually by this stage the medicals are also passed. Recently some applicants received request to re-access their medicals when the file reached the Local Visa Office (LVO). I have a theory for this, but in most cases, once the medicals are passed, they are good until the final review stage. The applicants who received a re-assesment for the medicals could be because of two reasons:
a. The doctor or the facility which examined them had a complaint against it, or the CIC found something fishy about how things were being conducted there; or
b. The medicals did not disclose the required parameters, or the applicant had an underlying medical issue, which the CIC wanted to get re-assessed.

8. Now the next stage is to determine eligibility, i.e. whether the application meets the program prerequisites under which it is filed. For FSW, your experience, letters of reference, education, etc are in order. For the PNP, FSW and your nomination is present, for CEC, your Canadian experience is on file. And, so on so forth for the other categories. The objective here is to review whether you meet the program threshold and what you claim is correct. If there is any suspicion, or things don't sound good, the agent can send you application for further review. Which includes an interview, extra doc request etc. If the applicant meets the requirements, and his score is over the cut off for the ITA she received, his eligibility is passed. If there are issues, they will be addressed. This usually happens at the LVO. This stage happens when the application is usually 4-5 months into the process. At this stage, if the eligibility is met, the chances of refusal considerably go down, unless there is a criminal history. However, if your score goes down due to CIC not acknowledging your experience, NOC and reference letters not matching, or a change in age, the application is rejected.

9. As soon as the eligibility is met, next comes the security and criminality (or background check). Usually the criminality is met through the Police Clearance Certificates (PCC) uploaded with the application. If the applicant has been to a country which is suspicious, or your travel history does show frequent visits to a country without any explanation, the same are recorded and evaluated. If things look good, your criminality is passed. A lot of applicants receive a request for Schedule A at this stage to ensure no gap time is present and the history is clear.

10. The last and the final stage is the security. This is a serious & time-consuming stage, involving many agencies, including Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), International Police (INTERPOL), Criminal Database Checking & touch-base with Local Police. Many things are considered here. Number of countries visited, Applicant coming from 'certain' countries, past law enforcement or military record, Prolonged stay in a country w/out sufficient docs to prove cause, frequent traveling to certain nations, your *Name (?), Inter-Religion/Nationality Marriages etc. If everything is simple & straight, the file soon gets into the 'final review' stage. If there are any 'red flags', the case goes into a 'spin'. Then the file might go to the local Police/intelligence agencies; the outcome/timeframe of which is beyond the control of CIC. And thereby the timeframe can be anything [sometimes beyond 1yr]. But, usually this stage should be over within 1-2 months. However, a point to be noted is that the applicant can also be called for an Interview [at this stage], due to this reason. For some people the security has a quick turn around. But in the last two weeks a lot of applicants are stuck at this stage.

11. At the final review, when the security results come in, the PPR is issued.

Now, this is NO way is a generalization of the process. Some applications are processed much faster, some are slow. This is what I could gather from my GCMS notes, my experience with dealing with the immigration authorities in US on behalf of my clients and my personal application which is still in progress.

This is only for information to provide a picture about the process, but CIC has never disclosed their processing procedure. However, looking into some immigration cases, and the information through the GCMS notes available on the forum, this is the best generalization I could come up with. Albeit, for some applicants the criminality is done before the eligibility is checked, for other after. So please don't debate as to how one case you saw was different from what I have stated.

This is just an overview. If you do not find it appealing, just ignore it. If it was up to me, I would process all applications much faster.

But, this is a long wait and probably the most important decision you will make in your life. Be optimistic, helpful and supportive of others. This forum is an excellent resource for many, so even when you receive your PPR, please hang on for a few more months and update your timelines and answer any questions other applicants may have. Don't be a parasite.
Thank you for your continuing guidance legalfalcon.I am just in doubt about submitting the documents with passport .We just got the renewed work permits and our old work permits are on our old passport.As we got new passports as well ,do we submit the original new work permits as well.Also do we send our old pasdports as well.Sorry to disturb you again