AOR in April 2017 - Let's Connect Here!

[hopingtomigrate]

Any April PNP outland nominees stuck in the same boat as me?

 

[romrumrira]

Any April PNP outland nominees stuck in the same boat as me?

PNP average need 6 months to get their PPR, so I think you still need to wait.

 

[hopingtomigrate]

PNP average need 6 months to get their PPR, so I think you still need to wait.

6 months from the date we submitted our application, correct?

 

[romrumrira]

6 months from the date we submitted our application, correct?

yes from the AoR date most of the time.

(or the date of R.10 test was done).

 

[shinene2020]

Thanks again. Now I'm wondering when that will take place.

Really no one can tell.. we're all in CIC's hands now)

 

[mic-mic]

it's new to me. I hear it for the first time. Why don't you give them a call to confirm tomorrow? But the @cic.gc.ca looks legit to me

Btw, congrats to all PPR today.

Thanks buddy! Does your PPR email asks you to send it to a PO box? Just a bit paranoid but I guess you cannot fake the email server right?

 

[Judsywudsy]

Hhmmm mine is from name.of.a.person@cic.gc.ca

Everything looks legit though because they got all the uci and application correct...

Is this normal guys?

i think its fine... you could also email them to see if everything is legit.

 

[AFUA2017]

For most applicants the educational and the work experience will intersect. However, in order to ensure that an applicant is working in the field he is qualified in, needs more institutional resources, and more subjectivity in the system. The law, which is the IRPA, has regulations, as you see them quoted in my post above. The law is the overarching umbrella and the rules grant the power to the administrative agent to work and set guidelines. Any rule that is too broad, or too subjective will be struck down. This is why the the education and work experience have been kept mutually exclusive.

However, it can be argues that IRCC can change the rules, which is true, but until they do so, this is the law and no matter how counter intuitive it may sound. Law is not meant to be straight in the first place. Any law which has over 3 words in it has room for interpretation, and that is why lawyers spend 3 year and a life time "PRACTICING" law.

The statement by @gurik is not accurate.


IRCC in the minimum work experience requirement states (see link below):

The applicant must have accumulated at least one year of continuous full-time (or the equivalent in part-time) paid work experience in the occupation identified in their application for permanent residence as their primary occupation. In calculating this period of work experience, the occupation must be listed in skill type 0 (Managerial occupations), skill level A (Professional occupations) or skill level B (Technical occupations and skilled trades) of the National Occupational Classification (NOC) 2011 [R75(2)(a)].

The applicant’s skilled work experience must also​

• have occurred within the ten years preceding the date of their application for permanent residence; and
• not be in an occupation that has been designated as a restricted occupation.

Note: At the time of publication, no occupations were designated as restricted.

In addition, during that period of employment, the applicant must have

• performed the actions described in the lead statement for the occupation as set out in the occupational description of the NOC [R75(2)(b)]; and
• performed a substantial number of the main duties, including all of the essential duties, of the occupation as set out in the occupational description of the NOC [R75(2)(c)].

Note: The applicant does not need to demonstrate that they meet the “employment requirements” (EDUCATION) listed in the NOC occupational description.
​

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/econ/fsw/minimum.asp

The last statement in bold and red clearly states that there is no correlation between the employment requirements, which is education and other requirements with the job duties. To simply put, an applicant will get points for education as per the ECA and will get points for the work experience as per what he claims and his job duties substantially meeting those listed in the NOC the applicant selected.


Further, IRCC when evaluating the educational requirement, states the following (available on the link mentioned above):

Applicants must submit either their completed Canadian educational credential or their completed foreign educational credential and the equivalency assessment (Educational Credential Assessment [ECA] report) issued by a designated assessment organization or institution with their application for permanent residence. The equivalency assessment must be less than five years old on the date on which their application is made [R75(2)(e)].

Note: The applicant must submit at least a completed Canadian secondary educational credential or its equivalent in order to meet the minimum education requirement.

Equivalency assessments (ECA reports) will be used as conclusive evidence that the applicant’s completed foreign diplomas, certificates or credentials are equivalent to completed Canadian educational credentials for the purposes of paragraph R75(2)(e), subsection R75(2.1) and section R78. The ECA report will also include an assessment by the organization or institution of the authenticity of the completed foreign diploma, certificate or credential.

If a professional body has been designated for the primary occupation specified in the application, the applicant must submit a completed foreign diploma, certificate or credential relevant to that occupation and the equivalency assessment (ECA report) issued by the designated professional body establishing that the completed foreign diploma, certificate or credential is equivalent to the completed Canadian educational credential required to practise that occupation in at least one of the provinces in which the equivalency assessments issued by this professional body are recognized.​

The education and work experience requirement are mutually exclusive. This may sound counterintuitive, but with the following examples you will see why:

1. An applicant graduated with a masters degree in chemistry, but after taking a few courses in graphic designing, or self studying is not into designing illustrations for chemistry books. If you see the educational requirements for graphic designers, it is

• A university degree in visual arts with specialization in graphic design, commercial art, graphic communications or cartooning
• or
• Completion of a college diploma program in graphic arts is required.
• Experience or training in multimedia design at a post-secondary, college or technical institution may be required.
• In addition to the arts, training in biology, engineering, architecture or a scientific field is usually required for medical, technical and scientific illustrators.
• Creative ability and artistic talent, as demonstrated by a portfolio of work, are required for graphic designers and illustrators.

​

2. An applicant who has a degree in law is a political advisor to a non profit. The employment requirements (4164) are:

• A bachelor's degree or college diploma in a social science or related discipline, or in business administration is usually required.
• A master's degree in a social science or related discipline or in business administration may be required.
• Home economists require a bachelor's degree in home economics, home economics education, human ecology, nutrition and food sciences or family and consumer studies.
• Registration is available, but voluntary, for home economists but the use of the designation "Professional Home Economist" is regulated in New Brunswick, Ontario, Manitoba and Alberta, and "Registered Professional Home Economist" in British Columbia.
• Registration with the Immigration Consultants of Canada Regulatory Council is required for Regulated Canadian immigration consultants.

​

I can give more examples, but I guess I have answered the question and the issue at hand.

P.S. I had to edit this post a few time to incorporate all the required info, I hope it clarifies everything now. ~ @astralsource & @gurik

Ok, Suppose that I am working as a medical sales representative (NOC 6221) and my major is Bachelor degree in pharmaceutical science. It is well known that bachelor degrees relating to a profession that needs license to practice (controlled profession) are considered professional/entry to practice degrees (offered the same points of the masters degree).
in this case, shall i be offered the points of entry to practice degree or that would be the case only if my NOC is 3131 (pharmacist)?

Many thanks in advance.

 

[mic-mic]

i think its fine... you could also email them to see if everything is legit.

Thanks! Just called them to verify and all is good!

 

[sonu0503]

finalllyy ...it now IP2..

BG status changed from NA to We are processing your background check. We will send you a message if we need more information.

Application status: We are processing your application. We will send you a message when there is an update or if we need more information from you.
Review of eligibility: We are reviewing whether you meet the eligibility requirements.
Review of medical results: You passed the medical exam.
Review of additional documents: We do not need additional documents.
Interview: You do not need an interview. We will send you a message if this changes.
Biometrics: We do not need your fingerprints. We will send you a message if this changes.
Background check: We are processing your background check. We will send you a message if we need more information.
Final decision: Your application is in progress. We will send you a message once the final decision has been made.


hopefully 1-2 weeks for the GOLDEN email now.

 

[simran.001]

finalllyy ...it now IP2..

BG status changed from NA to We are processing your background check. We will send you a message if we need more information.

Application status: We are processing your application. We will send you a message when there is an update or if we need more information from you.
Review of eligibility: We are reviewing whether you meet the eligibility requirements.
Review of medical results: You passed the medical exam.
Review of additional documents: We do not need additional documents.
Interview: You do not need an interview. We will send you a message if this changes.
Biometrics: We do not need your fingerprints. We will send you a message if this changes.
Background check: We are processing your background check. We will send you a message if we need more information.
Final decision: Your application is in progress. We will send you a message once the final decision has been made.


hopefully 1-2 weeks for the GOLDEN email now.

I got same timelines as u , hoping for PPR soon.
Do you know youR VISA OFFICE?
Looks like NDVO just woke up this week

 

[sonu0503]

I got same timelines as u , hoping for PPR soon.
Do you know youR VISA OFFICE?
Looks like NDVO just woke up this week

I am CEC inland..My visa office is Ottawa

Please see my signature below for more info

 

[russ12]

AOR -21st april
Meds passed - 10th may
BG status time line- NEXT STEP IS TO CONDUCT BACKGROUND CHECK,

At June 11th changes to, WE WILL SEND YOU MESSAGE ONCE WE START YOUR BACKGROUND CHECK

Now at 22nd August it said WE ARE PROCESSING YOUR BACKGROUND CHECK WE WILL CONTACT IF WE NEED MORE INFORMATION


so please can someone tell me that good news is on its way soon?

Would appreciate feedback

 

[arnvfx]

same here ... timelines in signature

its weird.. have u tried emailing them.?

 

[prisai90]

AOR -21st april
Meds passed - 10th may
BG status time line- NEXT STEP IS TO CONDUCT BACKGROUND CHECK,

At June 11th changes to, WE WILL SEND YOU MESSAGE ONCE WE START YOUR BACKGROUND CHECK

Now at 22nd August it said WE ARE PROCESSING YOUR BACKGROUND CHECK WE WILL CONTACT IF WE NEED MORE INFORMATION


so please can someone tell me that good news is on its way soon?

Would appreciate feedback

It's IP2 for u ....congratulations

Ur visa offIce ?