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armoured

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They were refusing TRV, using the 179(b); many families were waiting to meet their loved ones (spouses) in Canada... many many months ago while spouses from US and Europe were allowed to come, just because they’ve the good passport.

I thought reunification was something important for Canada...
So in fact your objection has nothing to do with this particular travel restriction, but on the entire practice of not giving TRVs to spouses.

Frankly not worth responding to that as has been covered many times.
 

canuck78

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They were refusing TRV, using the 179(b); many families were waiting to meet their loved ones (spouses) in Canada... many many months ago while spouses from US and Europe were allowed to come, just because they’ve the good passport.

I thought reunification was something important for Canada...
Many provinces have no ICU beds and will be deciding who gets treatment and who doesn't. This isn't about punishing people who are waiting for their spouses it is about trying to protect Canadians, the health system, other passengers on the flights to India. We can't afford to keep adding more cases of covid from abroad when we can't handle our own covid cases. People also still insist on quarantining with their non-travelling families leading to whole families at hospitals unnecessarily. The fact that we also don't know how this variant reacts to the vaccines and we know little about this variant behaves is also worrying. Yes it will delay some families from being reunited but it will protect all of Canada.
 
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canuck78

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They were refusing TRV, using the 179(b); many families were waiting to meet their loved ones (spouses) in Canada... many many months ago while spouses from US and Europe were allowed to come, just because they’ve the good passport.

I thought reunification was something important for Canada...
Yes that's why there is a sponsorship process.
 
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Idrissrafd

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So in fact your objection has nothing to do with this particular travel restriction, but on the entire practice of not giving TRVs to spouses.

Frankly not worth responding to that as has been covered many times.
Because I was simply answering to another person about the problem of reunification.
 

Idrissrafd

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Not only Indians will be on the file leg of the transit and Canada can't ban Indians from going on their first leg of their flight because they can only ban flights coming into Canada. If you want to blame people blame the people who haven't been quarantining properly. If people had been quarantining properly and none of these variants were infecting whole families including non-travelers and the community it may have not come to this.
Most of people coming from India and Pakistan come from an indirect flight...so technically, what’s the point of this measure ?
 

canuck78

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Most of people coming from India and Pakistan come from an indirect flight...so technically, what’s the point of this measure ?
It will make it incredibly long and expensive to get to Canada. Many of the transit cities no longer accept people arriving from India. For the countries still accepting travelers from India you may need to get a visa, follow their quarantine rules for 10+ days usually, get another covid pcr test and if it is negative you'll be allowed to travel on to Canada. At that point most people will have already developed covid and won't be able to fly to Canada. Most people will view this as too complicated and expensive so won't travel.
 

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my pr card is sitting in cic off ie since nov 2020- due to Covid they have nor invited me to pick up ! I have to travel urgent and have used web form to tell them - still no answers ! Can’t leave to come back with PRTD as have to start a new job in 60 days and PRTD processing unknown ! Very frustrated
 

Idrissrafd

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It will make it incredibly long and expensive to get to Canada. Many of the transit cities no longer accept people arriving from India. For the countries still accepting travelers from India you may need to get a visa, follow their quarantine rules for 10+ days usually, get another covid pcr test and if it is negative you'll be allowed to travel on to Canada. At that point most people will have already developed covid and won't be able to fly to Canada. Most people will view this as too complicated and expensive so won't travel.
Nice points. However, but I’m not sure, I think most of them are coming to Canada through Doha, I could be wrong, but I think you can get a pcr test at the airport of Doha, and obviously you don’t need a visa as a Canadian citizen. In other words, Doha (and perhaps other airports) might be the hub of this traffic.
 

canuck78

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Nice points. However, but I’m not sure, I think most of them are coming to Canada through Doha, I could be wrong, but I think you can get a pcr test at the airport of Doha, and obviously you don’t need a visa as a Canadian citizen. In other words, Doha (and perhaps other airports) might be the hub of this traffic.
Most airports don't offer PCR tests. Can't find proof that they offer onsite testing. Even if they did it's unclear whether you'd be let into Qatar to take the test since only residents can enter.
 
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armoured

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Nice points. However, but I’m not sure, I think most of them are coming to Canada through Doha, I could be wrong, but I think you can get a pcr test at the airport of Doha, and obviously you don’t need a visa as a Canadian citizen. In other words, Doha (and perhaps other airports) might be the hub of this traffic.
You asked "what's the point?". The point is to deter travel and spread, using the measures possible; now you've just shifted from what's-the-point to "wait it's not perfect!". In full sarcasm mode, thanks, chief - brilliant insight. Deterrence that is imperfect is still deterrence; trade-offs exist - such as closing 'loopholes' where they exist is sometimes not possible, and sometimes - takes more time. (And then different gaps or loopholes or found - whack-a-mole). Every policy maker knows that few measures are 100% effective, and that getting to 100% may be undesirable, unfeasible, or too expensive.

In reality - let's wait and see what happens. Often what happens is that there are discussions more or less behind the scenes - and I wouldn't be surprised to see Qatar introduce additional measures and restrictions on entry/travel through Doha, possibly at the (partial) encouragement of Canada. And also possibly Canada - for example - limiting the number of flights from Qatar - or warning that Canada doesn't want to impose such a measure but could and hoping Doha gets the message and takes measures on its own.
 
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armoured

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my pr card is sitting in cic off ie since nov 2020- due to Covid they have nor invited me to pick up ! I have to travel urgent and have used web form to tell them - still no answers ! Can’t leave to come back with PRTD as have to start a new job in 60 days and PRTD processing unknown ! Very frustrated
You might try contacting your MP and calling IRCC and not relying on just webforms. But if you're in Canada - the travel measures and covid situation should make you think carefully about doing so, AND recognize that the Canadian authorities are not exactly trying to encourage/enable travel right now (doing so might not be their top priority).
 

canuck78

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my pr card is sitting in cic off ie since nov 2020- due to Covid they have nor invited me to pick up ! I have to travel urgent and have used web form to tell them - still no answers ! Can’t leave to come back with PRTD as have to start a new job in 60 days and PRTD processing unknown ! Very frustrated
You may not even get a PRTD during that time. Where are you traveling? If they want you to pick up the card in person there are usually concerns about your compliance with RO.
 
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Idrissrafd

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You asked "what's the point?". The point is to deter travel and spread, using the measures possible; now you've just shifted from what's-the-point to "wait it's not perfect!". In full sarcasm mode, thanks, chief - brilliant insight. Deterrence that is imperfect is still deterrence; trade-offs exist - such as closing 'loopholes' where they exist is sometimes not possible, and sometimes - takes more time. (And then different gaps or loopholes or found - whack-a-mole). Every policy maker knows that few measures are 100% effective, and that getting to 100% may be undesirable, unfeasible, or too expensive.

In reality - let's wait and see what happens. Often what happens is that there are discussions more or less behind the scenes - and I wouldn't be surprised to see Qatar introduce additional measures and restrictions on entry/travel through Doha, possibly at the (partial) encouragement of Canada. And also possibly Canada - for example - limiting the number of flights from Qatar - or warning that Canada doesn't want to impose such a measure but could and hoping Doha gets the message and takes measures on its own.
What about closing simply the airports like the mayor of Brampton said (he’s not the only one who has said that) ? Of course, with some practical exceptions (diplomatic flights, etc).