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Any hope for CEC restarting?

aommnd

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I found one of them:
https://fb.watch/ci6cPHuXKc/

It is about new pathways, which is aligned with what he said at the interview with ApplyBoard.

So I guess this is good news
Thanks for the link. I am wondering, how is that good news?
This doesn't say anything about CEC, and I feel any new TR2PR type program will take years to properly build.

I was really hoping some route will open up for getting PR now :/
 

powerssdd

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Thanks for the link. I am wondering, how is that good news?
This doesn't say anything about CEC, and I feel any new TR2PR type program will take years to properly build.

I was really hoping some route will open up for getting PR now :/
Still this interview: https://www.applyboard.com/blog/educate-the-world-2022
Starting 16:25, he said that "we are working on policy over the course of this year". Emphasis on "this year".

Another proof:
https://www.cicnews.com/2022/03/express-entry-canada-invites-919-pnp-candidates-to-apply-0323893.html#gs.wbg7a1
"We have to finalize a little bit of policy work..."
Emphasis on "finalize". It won't take years to finalize anything, will it?
But of course this may not be the new pathways, but at least a major policy was being finalized.

BTW, this administration will hold power until 2025. It won't take years to build the new pathways, otherwise it will be built for the next administration...

This is 100% better than CEC, because CEC could be competing with FSW, which will require a CRS of 500+.
Even if there will be CEC draws, the CRS requirement will take months to drop below 470 I guess.
 
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aommnd

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Still this interview: https://www.applyboard.com/blog/educate-the-world-2022
Starting 16:25, he said that "we are working on policy over the course of this year". Emphasis on "this year".

Another proof:
https://www.cicnews.com/2022/03/express-entry-canada-invites-919-pnp-candidates-to-apply-0323893.html#gs.wbg7a1
"We have to finalize a little bit of policy work..."
Emphasis on "finalize". But of course this may not be the new pathways, but at least a major policy was being finalized.

BTW, this administration will hold power until 2025. It won't take years to build the new pathways, otherwise it will be built for the next administration...

This is 100% better than CEC, because CEC could be competing with FSW, which will require a CRS of 500+.
Even if there will be CEC draws, the CRS requirement will take months to drop below 470 I guess.
I think the new finalize policy work is for extension of PGWP.

I see what you mean by CEC competing with FSW so yeah it would be useless if they draw both together, the only hope is CEC individually or some other way to get PR for graduates in land applicants.
 

powerssdd

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I think the new finalize policy work is for extension of PGWP.

I see what you mean by CEC competing with FSW so yeah it would be useless if they draw both together, the only hope is CEC individually or some other way to get PR for graduates in land applicants.
It may not 100% be extension of PGWP.

Note how he phrased it:
"or some proxy that will have the same result that may be as effective".

He wasn't sure. Maybe it is just a new pathway, via which students can extend their stay when their applications are being processed, like bridge WP.
 
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Hmmm

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I found one of them:
https://fb.watch/ci6cPHuXKc/

It is about new pathways, which is aligned with what he said at the interview with ApplyBoard.

So I guess this is good news
This is not his latest appearance. His latest is “Meeting No. 12 CIMM - Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration”. Lots of issues on CEC draws was discussed there by the Minister. In all these interviews he keeps saying he doesn’t have an announcement to make. Besides everything in the memos although are not recent, point to summer for draw resumption. The memo says they will get back with a plan for draw resumption after March 31st. In that same memo they also say draws will resume later in the year. So not very precise that’s why the minister always beating around the bush when asked to give a date for draws. It appears that they are sticking to the memo. I am usually not this pessimistic but it is better to start preparing your mind for a summer draw resumption and explore PNP options. I am also stuck in this quagmire and my work permit is running out.
 

powerssdd

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This is not his latest appearance. His latest is “Meeting No. 12 CIMM - Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration”. Lots of issues on CEC draws was discussed there by the Minister. In all these interviews he keeps saying he doesn’t have an announcement to make. Besides everything in the memos although are not recent, point to summer for draw resumption. The memo says they will get back with a plan for draw resumption after March 31st. In that same memo they also say draws will resume later in the year. So not very precise that’s why the minister always beating around the bush when asked to give a date for draws. It appears that they are sticking to the memo. I am usually not this pessimistic but it is better to start preparing your mind for a summer draw resumption and explore PNP options. I am also stuck in this quagmire and my work permit is running out.
Thanks for the info. Any public webpages for Meeting No. 12 CIMM - Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration we can take a look?

NVM, I found it:
https://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/Harmony/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrowserV2/20220324/-1/36653
 

powerssdd

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This is not his latest appearance. His latest is “Meeting No. 12 CIMM - Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration”. Lots of issues on CEC draws was discussed there by the Minister. In all these interviews he keeps saying he doesn’t have an announcement to make. Besides everything in the memos although are not recent, point to summer for draw resumption. The memo says they will get back with a plan for draw resumption after March 31st. In that same memo they also say draws will resume later in the year. So not very precise that’s why the minister always beating around the bush when asked to give a date for draws. It appears that they are sticking to the memo. I am usually not this pessimistic but it is better to start preparing your mind for a summer draw resumption and explore PNP options. I am also stuck in this quagmire and my work permit is running out.
It turned out that it is the same content as the link I posted above:
https://www.cicnews.com/2022/03/express-entry-canada-invites-919-pnp-candidates-to-apply-0323893.html#gs.wbg7a1.

Overall, the lastest memo says "small draws needed in late 2022"; while the interview with ApplyBoard says this Spring.

The latter is more recent, so I think it is more reliable.

But of course Spring ends on June 21st, which is not a lot earlier than July or Aug which is summer.
 

moscatojuices

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You mean this one?
https://moving2canada.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/January-2022-IRCC-Express-Entry-Memo-March-17-2022.pdf

The "Next steps" section says "we will return to you in March 2022...", meaning the memo was submitted before March.
The interview with APPLYBOARD happened on March 10th.

Obviously the interview is more recent and more reliable.

I am not sure what are the "several appearances after the interview" you referred to.
It will be great if you can share some links and sources.
Wow, that document stated that FSW applications are currently at "22.4 months (about four times the service standard" and are "expected to rise to 36 months for 2022."

Holy shit!


I didn't see this before. It looks like, basically, non-EE applicants in recent years will need to brace themselves for a three-year wait for PR.
 

aommnd

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It turned out that it is the same content as the link I posted above:
https://www.cicnews.com/2022/03/express-entry-canada-invites-919-pnp-candidates-to-apply-0323893.html#gs.wbg7a1.

Overall, the lastest memo says "small draws needed in late 2022"; while the interview with ApplyBoard says this Spring.

The latter is more recent, so I think it is more reliable.

But of course Spring ends on June 21st, which is not a lot earlier than July or Aug which is summer.
All so confusing lol.
Check this out: https://www.cicnews.com/2022/03/immigration-canadas-backlog-grows-to-1-84-million-0323476.html

They cleared 5000 CEC applicants in 40 days,
 

powerssdd

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All so confusing lol.
Check this out: https://www.cicnews.com/2022/03/immigration-canadas-backlog-grows-to-1-84-million-0323476.html

They cleared 5000 CEC applicants in 40 days,
Yeah, but clearing out CEC doesn't mean there will be no backlog.

There are still tens of thousands of applications of TR2PR, PNP and FSW.

Let's wait until June 21st.

It will resume by then if the minister keeps his words.

The new pathways is good news, but it may be introduced later than the resume of draws, and it very likely will have higher requirements than a CRS of 460 under CEC category.
 

aommnd

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Yeah, but clearing out CEC doesn't mean there will be no backlog.

There are still tens of thousands of applications of TR2PR, PNP and FSW.

Let's wait until June 21st.

It will resume by then if the minister keeps his words.

The new pathways is good news, but it may be introduced later than the resume of draws, and it very likely will have higher requirements than a CRS of 460 under CEC category.
Yeah true, I was just hopeful that if CEC backlog goes down they at least reopen CEC but that seems hopeful.
My CRS is around 474 (CLB 12, 1 year work experience, 4 year degree) which used to be competitive even pre covid in the combined draws and during covid very competitive now who knows what will happen when it reopens.
 

Hmmm

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Yeah, but clearing out CEC doesn't mean there will be no backlog.

There are still tens of thousands of applications of TR2PR, PNP and FSW.

Let's wait until June 21st.

It will resume by then if the minister keeps his words.

The new pathways is good news, but it may be introduced later than the resume of draws, and it very likely will have higher requirements than a CRS of 460 under CEC category.
On what basis are you projecting a CRS of 460 and above for the new pathway for international students and foreign workers? Making such assumption at this point would be grossly incorrect. Historically, CEC candidates have been known to have low CRS and IRCC is quite aware of this. If they are working on a new pathway for PR for CEC candidates it would not make sense raise the CRS requirement for such pathway cause many will not qualify.
 

powerssdd

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On what basis are you projecting a CRS of 460 and above for the new pathway for international students and foreign workers? Making such assumption at this point would be grossly incorrect. Historically, CEC candidates have been known to have low CRS and IRCC is quite aware of this. If they are working on a new pathway for PR for CEC candidates it would not make sense raise the CRS requirement for such pathway cause many will not qualify.
I think their intention is to make EE draws general, no longer differentiating FSW and CEC.

And CEC apps will be able to go through the new pathways.

But under this situation, where
1. IRCC have huge backlog
2. Huge number of FSW applicants are waiting to be invited outland.
3. The quotas of 2022 and 2023 have been cut out significantly.
I don't think they will set a very low bar to give everyone inland a PR.

460 looks like a suitable threshold.
Applicants are of good quality, and the total number is kind of limited therefore will not overwhelm the system.
It could be 450. But I don't think they will allow ppl with CRS of 400 to be eligible for the new pathways like what they did last year.
Overall, there will a discount for inland applicants, but a discount doesn't mean it is free. And under the situation mentioned above, the discount won't be big.

The intention is never to allow everyone who studied here to become a PR without other requirements.
Canada accepts more than 400K international student each year. How is that possible they are all given PR?
Even 10% of that is too big. So the bar must be much higher than having a degree and 1 year work experience in Canada.
 
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aommnd

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I think their intention is to make EE draws general, no longer differentiating FSW and CEC.

And CEC apps will be able to go through the new pathways.

But under this situation, where
1. IRCC have huge backlog
2. Huge number of FSW applicants are waiting to be invited outland.
3. The quotas of 2022 and 2023 have been cut out significantly.
I don't think they will set a very low bar to give everyone inland a PR.

460 looks like a suitable threshold.
Applicants are of good quality, and the total number is kind of limited therefore will not overwhelm the system.
It could be 450. But I don't think they will allow ppl with CRS of 400 to be eligible for the new pathways like what they did last year.
Overall, there will a discount for inland applicants, but a discount doesn't mean it is free. And under the situation mentioned above, the discount won't be big.

The intention is never to allow everyone who studied here to become a PR without other requirements.
Canada accepts more than 400K international student each year. How is that possible they are all given PR?
Even 10% of that is too big. So the bar must be much higher than having a degree and 1 year work experience in Canada.
Out of those 400k intl students how many are from an actual university and either in 4 year degree or 2 year masters or PhD?
PhD definitely deserve PR as that is something very difficult and few can accomplish.

I see a lot of people who just come here for 1 year college diploma for the sole purpose of getting a PR, I can't imagine its ever been easy for them to get a PR?