Another URGENT do I need a travel document or not post?!?

[COPRQuestion]

I know they were planning on starting exit checks a couple of years ago. I haven't heard if they did yet but if they did, they would know in the future if somebody meets the RO or not and it should be simpler and faster to renew PR cards and issue travel documents.

This would be an option I agree, I have to admit I always found it strange that I didn't go through immigration when I left Canada. Also found it very strange when I applied for my PRTD that it was up to me to account for the days I'd spent in and out of Canada. One would assume that the immigration department would have a very simple way of checking. I guess not

 

[Leon]

They have an agreement with the US to share information and we know they are able to pull information from airline passenger lists to see exits but I don't know how easily available this information is, if it's instant when they want to look it up or if they have to send for it and get it processed. Getting a CBSA travel log is not instant in any case.

I think they make you account for your days to see if you'll lie.

 

[topoki89]

It's a good question from the OP, I understand why it's not possible to board a plane without the PRTD but some would argue as to why a PRTD is required in the first place. Is it just another way to earn some cash by making people get them or a good way of stopping people with invalid PR's getting on a plane in the first place and then having to deal with them when they arrive.

If we stopped in city with a Canadian Consulate (ex: LA), how long would the application for a PRTD take in person?

 

[canuck_in_uk]

If we stopped in city with a Canadian Consulate (ex: LA), how long would the application for a PRTD take in person?

You would need to contact the LA office.

 

[kateg]

It's a good question from the OP, I understand why it's not possible to board a plane without the PRTD but some would argue as to why a PRTD is required in the first place.

Time.

When a commercial flight comes in, they have hundreds of people all at once. It's hard to do a good investigation quickly, so a lot of people have been able to enter when they shouldn't. Background checks are generally done based on name and birthdate - if there's a match, it's often necessary to call the country with the record to make sure the person matches. Checking all the databases takes time.

eTAs and PRTDs give the government time to do their investigations. As a PR coming across the border, they don't know how many days you were and weren't in the country. Canada doesn't yet have strict exit controls (though they are getting better). Requiring you to apply for a new PR card or PRTD ensures that you have to fill out the application to give them the information they need for their investigation, and that they have time to do the investigation. The eTA helps ensure that PRs don't just sneak in using a visa-exempt passport. If a PR applies for an eTA, they have the information to catch the person, and the PR has to lie in the application.

There was a lot of abuse with the PR program, and people getting citizenship who shouldn't have. Chinese nationals in particular were abusing the system - doing things like driving down to the US, then flying to China. When they came back several years later, they had fake documents showing they were "in Canada" for years, and could immediately get citizenship. That is one of the reasons for information sharing with the US - Canada now gets exit records from the US and outbound planes, so they can better detect that kind of fraud.

They lose money on the PRTD.

 

[kateg]

I know they were planning on starting exit checks a couple of years ago. I haven't heard if they did yet but if they did, they would know in the future if somebody meets the RO or not and it should be simpler and faster to renew PR cards and issue travel documents.

They are most of the way there, with the exchange with the US. Privacy laws keep them from getting 100% of the data - at the moment, they don't exchange data on people who are US citizens or Canadian citizens.

For Chinese individuals (for example), they get most of the data - commercial entry and exit, and land crossings in private vehicles. From what I recall, they don't get private boats outgoing yet.

 

[COPRQuestion]

They are most of the way there, with the exchange with the US. Privacy laws keep them from getting 100% of the data - at the moment, they don't exchange data on people who are US citizens or Canadian citizens.

For Chinese individuals (for example), they get most of the data - commercial entry and exit, and land crossings in private vehicles. From what I recall, they don't get private boats outgoing yet.

Are you Chinese by any chance?

 

[kateg]

Are you Chinese by any chance?

No, why?

 

[Shahid malik]

Please tell, what is the validity of prtd in terms of months
Thanks

 

[Leon]

Please tell, what is the validity of prtd in terms of months
Thanks

It is usually 6 months.

 

[Shahid malik]

It is usually 6 months.

Thanks dear friend