Annoucement for new changes might be delayed - More refugees are coming?

[maged_mmh]

Because Mr.McCallum said so himself

so "economic" is surely not humanitarian cases, rather I'd expect warlords and business tycoons fleeing their crimes and starting afresh, talk about history laundry, not just money laundry

 

[JALT]

Looks like Mr.McCallum's plan is facing some challenges from inside the Liberals party and the Parliament.

Guess you guys saw the HUMA report was tabled yesterday in parliament?
http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/HOC/Committee/421/HUMA/Reports/RP8374415/421_HUMA_Rpt04_PDF/421_HUMA_Rpt04-e.pdf

McCallum & team have 120 days to respond

 

[tormentor]

My bet is because the young Trudeau is trying to get Canada a seat in the UN Security Council in 2021. He's trying to show the world that Canada is, indeed a world player, by accepting more Syrian refugees, sending troops to Europe,overly promoting gay rights and supporting feminism, not that any of these things are bad, but they are not really needed at this time and his government are doing all these things at the expense of the Canadian economy.

You are right, these things are not needed today but 10 years back. Care to explain how basic humanitarianism, promoting equality of gender and sexual orientation is at the 'expense' of the economy. Its pathetic see things like this being argued for.

 

[Alexios07]

You are right, these things are not needed today but 10 years back. Care to explain how basic humanitarianism, promoting equality of gender and sexual orientation is at the 'expense' of the economy. Its pathetic see things like this being argued for.

So many SJWs and white knights in here. I'm posting this thread not to attack gender equality or sexual orientation or any refugees.

This thread is simply to point out that:

• The Liberal government are using the Syrian refugee card to advance their agenda in the UN and gain more public media attention.
  
• Speculate the impact of this news on the upcoming changes in Express Entry.

You can help other people without setting yourself on fire, you know? Choosing economic refugees over economic immigrants is not a smart choice for the current economic situation - this idea is not mine alone but shared by the Parliament and members of the Liberal party as well (read the article in the first post).

Guess you guys saw the HUMA report was tabled yesterday in parliament?
http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/HOC/Committee/421/HUMA/Reports/RP8374415/421_HUMA_Rpt04_PDF/421_HUMA_Rpt04-e.pdf

McCallum & team have 120 days to respond

I've been reading it since this morning. Do you want to create a new thread and posting our findings in there?

 

[rabzodemorayh]

Yes please Alexis07 and JALT...i have too many work-related pdf files to read anyway!

 

[JALT]

I've been reading it since this morning. Do you want to create a new thread and posting our findings in there?

Yeah OK, it's kinda wasted in this thread I suppose!

 

[mf4361]

Any source to back up the claim that Canada, the US or any countries have the obligation to take in the Syrian refugees?

I have never stated that it's my rights to immigrate to Canada. I'm just pointing out the effects of receiving more refugees which many Canadians, MPs and Liberals party members are also agreeing with.

Not specifically Syrian refugees, just refugees in general, which Canada and US have always been taking in. Canada took in 10k+ refugees in 2014, before the Syrian crisis. Canada took 22k in 2015 in responds to the crisis while US had almost no increase in numbers.

 

[Alexios07]

Not specifically Syrian refugees, just refugees in general, which Canada and US have always been taking in. Canada took in 10k+ refugees in 2014, before the Syrian crisis. Canada took 22k in 2015 in responds to the crisis while US had almost no increase in numbers.

That doesn't mean there's obligation. The UN has no power to enforce any countries to take in any refugees. If they have the power to do that, all the Syrian refugees can just go next door to those rich Gulf countries, instead of flying half the world to Canada or US.

 

[hamzakhobza]

Refugees that can help Canada economically are a win-win situation.

Is your house destroyed? No

Do you have family members killed by terrorists? No

The refugees should have priority over everyone else because they have the worst situation and staying in their home country is not an option.

 

[Rickyindia]

Watch "Hon. John McCallum (Minister of Immigration/Citizenship Canada) on Des Pardes TV Aug 2016" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/Fl0wTEucXV4

I hope this video will help

 

[Alexios07]

Most people who's acting tough and showing their utmost sympathy for the economic refugees in this thread usually are the one with PNP nomination or already got an ITA and waiting for their PR.

I wonder if they will willingly give up their ITA for a "poor" refugee and reapply again?

 

[mf4361]

That doesn't mean there's obligation. The UN has no power to enforce any countries to take in any refugees. If they have the power to do that, all the Syrian refugees can just go next door to those rich Gulf countries, instead of flying half the world to Canada or US.

UN can impose sanctions against Canada if it breaks any UN treaties. Of course it also means to pass a vote in the UN which nobody will because its what everyone does anyway. It still damages Canada's reputation and trust in international diplomacy. Imagine if Canada can violates the refugee treaty without consequences, it can also violate other treaties.

The fact that Arabic countries like Saudi and Oman not helping because the refugees are against their political and religious stands makes other countries internationally needs to step up and help. The number of refugees Canada took is insignificant, both in Canada's job market and number of refugees in total

Kurzgesagt has a great video explaining what the crisis is
https://youtu.be/RvOnXh3NN9w

Most people who's acting tough and showing their utmost sympathy for the economic refugees in this thread usually are the one with PNP nomination or already got an ITA and waiting for their PR.

I wonder if they will willingly give up their ITA for a "poor" refugee and reapply again?

Definition of ad hominem

 

[Rickyindia]

Watch "Hon. John McCallum (Minister of Immigration/Citizenship Canada) on Des Pardes TV Aug 2016" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/Fl0wTEucXV4

I hope the video might be usefull

 

[Innana]

Refugees that can help Canada economically are a win-win situation.

Is your house destroyed? No

Do you have family members killed by terrorists? No

The refugees should have priority over everyone else because they have the worst situation and staying in their home country is not an option.

hahaha ok sure! Easy to screw over everyone else in the immigration process when yours is done, no?

 

[Alexios07]

UN can impose sanctions against Canada if it breaks any UN treaties. Of course it also means to pass a vote in the UN which nobody will because its what everyone does anyway. It still damages Canada's reputation and trust in international diplomacy. Imagine if Canada can violates the refugee treaty without consequences, it can also violate other treaties.

The fact that Arabic countries like Saudi and Oman not helping because the refugees are against their political and religious stands makes other countries internationally needs to step up and help. The number of refugees Canada took is insignificant, both in Canada's job market and number of refugees in total

Kurzgesagt has a great video explaining what the crisis is
https://youtu.be/RvOnXh3NN9w

Definition of ad hominem

You are still not showing me where's the fine prints and which treaties say that members of the UN have the OBLIGATION to take in the refugees. I don't see China, India, Pakistan, Philippines, Mexico or Sealand to receive any refugees yet, are they gong to be sanctioned ?

And I LOL'd at the religious reasons for the gulf countries. I guess we can use religious reasons to ban all the immigrants now? Do you know this is also a legit religion?

A logical argument is considered ad hominem it is used to attack the other poster to promote my argument. I did not attack anyone personally, just asked a question in a separate post.