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An entry/exit stamp missing on the file on interview day! Please help

edm_AS

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Hi,

I had my test on July 15th. Everything went fine except one entry/exit to USA for a day trip was missing on my file. I did not put it as I had the re-entry stamp but there was no exit stamp on my passport for that particular date. The officer raised the issue and finally noted the re-entry date on my file and said if they need anything they will send a letter, otherwise if we don't receive anything for 2 weeks oath letter will come. I have 60 extra days before I applied for citizenship. I am thinking to get the entry/exits records beforehand to save time in case they ask for it. But Canada border will give only entry dates which I already have. Should I apply from USA border for USA entry dates? pLEASE HELP. Will it make my application non-routine??
 

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It's really impossible for any of us to say for certain what will happen. This may make your application non-routine or it may not.

My husband was missing one entry/exit date for a day trip to the US and he got RQ. He had around 30 extra days when he applied for citizenship.

But each application is individual. So again, it's really impossible to say what will happen in your case.
 

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I was missing tons of stamps for my trips to the US. I was/am a NEXUS member and I didn't get any stamps on my passport when entering Canada or the US. I didn't have any trouble. Maybe they just pulled my NEXUS records.
 

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keesio said:
I was missing tons of stamps for my trips to the US. I was/am a NEXUS member and I didn't get any stamps on my passport when entering Canada or the US. I didn't have any trouble. Maybe they just pulled my NEXUS records.
My husband had NEXUS as well - didn't help him unfortunately.

I think some of it is the luck of the draw (i.e. what officer reviews your file and what they decide to do).
 

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edm_AS said:
Hi,

I had my test on July 15th. Everything went fine except one entry/exit to USA for a day trip was missing on my file. I did not put it as I had the re-entry stamp but there was no exit stamp on my passport for that particular date. The officer raised the issue and finally noted the re-entry date on my file and said if they need anything they will send a letter, otherwise if we don't receive anything for 2 weeks oath letter will come. I have 60 extra days before I applied for citizenship. I am thinking to get the entry/exits records beforehand to save time in case they ask for it. But Canada border will give only entry dates which I already have. Should I apply from USA border for USA entry dates? pLEASE HELP. Will it make my application non-routine??
edm_AS,

The best thing you can do at this point is to wait for what CIC asks and act accordingly. If CIC request proof of leaving the country then you can order USA border crossings. It takes less than a day to receive those. You can also look for airplane records/boarding passes if you were traveling by air. But at this point without knowing if CIC needs anything else I don't think you need to worry.
 

edm_AS

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OrangeCup said:
edm_AS,

The best thing you can do at this point is to wait for what CIC asks and act accordingly. If CIC request proof of leaving the country then you can order USA border crossings. It takes less than a day to receive those. You can also look for airplane records/boarding passes if you were traveling by air. But at this point without knowing if CIC needs anything else I don't think you need to worry.
Thanks. I already requested travel details from USA, but will provide only if CIC asks. Lets wait and see what happens next.
 

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Why don't you request your entry/exits records from CBSA? It's free and it will help you to understand what they're going to base their decision on. (They use the same document to base their decision on your residence obligation).
 

edm_AS

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bestfriendever said:
Why don't you request your entry/exits records from CBSA? It's free and it will help you to understand what they're going to base their decision on. (They use the same document to base their decision on your residence obligation).
I am missing stamp for entry into USA, but has the stamp for re-entry into Canada, Although it was a one day trip. I have around 60 days extra.
 

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The posts by scylla cover this scenario.

For emphasis: impossible to predict how this will impact the decision made.

Unless there are some other chinks/cracks in the case, I would expect this to NOT be a problem, but it is possible it could result in further scrutiny. Probably prudent to wait and see.


A longer response with some elaboration and clarification:

While I agree with scylla that to some extent there is an element of luck, such as in who the Citizenship Officer is making the decision, I think it has a lot more to do with context, with the officer's evaluation of the information relative to all the rest of the applicant's circumstances, history, and so on.

For example, the scenario reported by keesio is one in which it would be very easy for the officer to readily conclude the return to Canada was a day-trip.

In contrast, if there were other weaknesses (chinks/cracks) in the case, in conjunction with those an officer may proceed to make further inquiry.

There are way, way too many variables to sort through and attempt an objective assessment of how a particular CIC officer will consider this.

Many have reported, similar to scylla's partner, that this situation has triggered RQ. Some have reported negative decisions by the Citizenship Judge based largely on unreported day trips (including applicants whose RQ was an earlier version not requiring declaration of day trips, just as the Residency Calculator for applying did not prior to June 11), although the latter has happened in cases with other obvious issues (relatively recent one was an applicant who left Canada after applying to work in the U.S.).

Most, however, do not encounter a problem. But then, for most it is not even asked about at the interview. (I brought up day trips at my interview, because the interviewer asked if I "declared all trips" in my residency calculation, and I answered there were some day trips which were not declared).

All you can do is wait to see what happens. You could apply for your border records from the U.S., but most reports indicate the response time for these is still sporadic (mine took a lot longer than the entire timeline for processing my citizenship application . . . I was anticipating RQ, so requested the U.S. records shortly before I applied for citizenship . . . so they would be current to almost the date I was applying . . . but did not receive the U.S. records until many months after I had already taken the oath . . . as it went, I did not get RQ'd . . . I had several dozen trips to the U.S. including nearly two dozen day trips, no stamps for any of those trips).



CIT 0520 rather than RQ:

While RQ was common in the past when the CIC officer had questions related to whether or not a particular entry was related to a day-trip or not, these days it is more likely (it seems to me) that you would be sent the CIT 0520 request asking for specific documents rather than a full blown RQ. Of course this depends on the extent to which the reviewing officer has questions, which in turn depends, again, on all the facts and circumstances and applicant's history.

It is possible to receive a request for the U.S. records of entry into the U.S. However, I think CIC can now access these directly . . . but it is not clear that this is so for older crossings, or otherwise how far back they can do this. Hopefully they can, and if there are questions they will, rather than request you to obtain and provide them, since again obtaining these records timely can be difficult.

Prudent to wait and see.


Examples of positive factors:

I bring this up more to reinforce the observation that most applicants will have no problems relative to this or that day trip.

What CIC might be concerned about would be that the return to Canada reflects an unreported trip, and more significantly a trip of unknown duration.

The first, the fact of an unreported trip (if CIC infers this is in question) is relative to credibility itself. Failure to declare a single brief trip (two or three days or such) probably does not cause much of a concern, does not raise credibility issues, at least if it is an isolated mistake.

But if and when CIC infers there is reason to think there was an unreported trip, the potential duration of that trip may loom large. This is where the applicant with a lot of additional indicators of particular dates of presence in Canada is at an advantage. For keesio for example, if CIC had reason to suspect a particular date of return to Canada was related to an undeclared trip, the fact of frequent previous entries likely reduces the potential duration of any such trip. In particular, for example, if there was a separate reported exit and entry within a couple weeks prior to the suspicious date, that would definitively limit the duration of the allegedly undeclared trip (say a declared trip ended with return to Canada August 3 and then there is an entry for an undeclared trip that CIC is suspicious about on August 17 . . . even if CIC concluded there was an unreported trip, its duration could be no longer than August 4 to August 17).

Many believe frequent travel leads to more suspicion. I think this overlooks how important context is. It is well apparent that for some applicants frequent travel actually bolsters their case: all confirmed dates of re-entry into Canada show, after all, positive dates of presence in Canada. For the NEXUS holder, for example, if the pattern of travel corroborates the lifestyle of someone primarily living in Canada and making frequent brief trips to the U.S., that actually tends to bolster the credibility of a residency calculation which is consistent with what is discerned from the CBSA travel history, and overall positively indicate the individual is resident in Canada.

There are many examples. The applicant with employment that is readily verifiable and which is the kind of employment requiring the applicant to physically work at a particular facility or place of employment in Canada, is similarly in a strong position despite CIC entertaining questions about a single date of return to Canada. In contrast, for someone like me, self-employed and doing work using telecommunications, work capable of being done virtually anywhere (anywhere there is high speed internet access anyway), if CIC identified a questionable date of return for me, it is likely that would have been more problematic for me.

Again, I go into these for the purpose of highlighting the potential range of variables; way, way too many to do anything other than indicate vague, inconclusive generalizations about what might tip CIC to go in this or that direction.
 

fid1

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Re: An exit stamp missing Please help





I need help with this people. My test date is July 28 in Calgary, I traveled out of the country to Africa in 2013 using travel document that only valid for a year and the travel document was renewed which I had to send back the old one that has the stamp of my exit or the date I got into the country I was visiting. I sent a request to CBSA for my exit and entry record to be sent to me but unfortunately the record sent back to me doesn't have the exit from Canada but has the record of entry into Canada. How do I explain this to the interviewer's on the day of the test or how do I go about this. thanks all
 

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keesio said:
I was missing tons of stamps for my trips to the US. I was/am a NEXUS member and I didn't get any stamps on my passport when entering Canada or the US. I didn't have any trouble. Maybe they just pulled my NEXUS records.
I should clarify that I never did a day trip to the US. All of my trips were at least one day in the sense that I returned the next day.
 

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Re: An exit stamp missing Please help

fid1 said:
I need help with this people. My test date is July 28 in Calgary, I traveled out of the country to Africa in 2013 using travel document that only valid for a year and the travel document was renewed which I had to send back the old one that has the stamp of my exit or the date I got into the country I was visiting. I sent a request to CBSA for my exit and entry record to be sent to me but unfortunately the record sent back to me doesn't have the exit from Canada but has the record of entry into Canada. How do I explain this to the interviewer's on the day of the test or how do I go about this. thanks all
CBSA does not keep track of exits. You need another proof. I am guessing you didn't make copies if the old travel document before you sent for renewal. There is nothing you can do now. If you have your flight itinerary or boarding pass, you can supply those with explanation of why you can't show stamps.
 

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Re: An exit stamp missing Please help

CanV said:
CBSA does not keep track of exits. You need another proof. I am guessing you didn't make copies if the old travel document before you sent for renewal. There is nothing you can do now. If you have your flight itinerary or boarding pass, you can supply those with explanation of why you can't show stamps.
US CBP website provide free service for this.
link is not allowed, please google "Arrival/Departure History Now Available on I-94 Webpage"
 

littlebabybum

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Maybe wait for what cic needs before ordering anything. If they send u RQ, u can order all the records and also print out all your credit card history and send to cic. For now just sit back and enjoy the summer. Good luck!
 

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annoying001 said:
US CBP website provide free service for this.
link is not allowed, please google "Arrival/Departure History Now Available on I-94 Webpage"
What does US CBP have to do with this? Annoying...