Air Canada refuses re-entry into Canada (Foriegn Passport + Citizenship Certif)

[steaky]

Good Evening,

My name is Andriana Tsironi and I am 23 years old. I am a dual citizen by naturalization (Greek/Canadian) and i returned to Canada after 18 years to get to meet my mother. In the past, by the time my parents were getting divorced and we flew back to Greece, my father lost every certificate of mine that proves that i am a Canadian Citizen and as i was growing up due to the fact that our financial situation was always tight, i never really got informed about my Canadian rights or the documents i should be carrying as a citizen visiting. So I flew over as soon as i got approved from the Canadian Goverment ,for my passport to be linked to an emergency- special authorization (cause i had neither my Canadian passport or ID), with the intentions to visit , see my mother and my country after so long. My mother was supposed to help me stay with her so i could financially afford the visit ,but unfortunately for me her reaction wasn't really good. She is dealing with plenty of psychological traumas ,she chose to not put the effort to comply with me and my personality as im already a grown human .Instead, she used verbal violence and aggresive behavior to make sure i would leave her place for good.

I moved on, took the responsibility of myself as a citizen and with my last two hundred dollars from my income from Greece still on me, i left from Prince George,B.C. to move to Vancouver where i knew that the weather is better in case i would stay out cause i had no one and nowhere to go at that moment,with the hope that as soon as i get my papers done i would be able to work and feed myself. As soon as i got to Vancouver i spent all of my time around asking people going, to Canada Service places to get guidance and also i spent all of my cash to apply for PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP. I went around and asked what can i do for work? I asked many people ,no one seemed positive to help me without a sin number or an id. I was forced to stay homeless for the first 4 months ,i couldn't trust anyone, all i knew was how to pick up cans and make the exact amount of change that i need to buy me something to eat at least. I would try and call the IRCC center to get information on my application at least once a month but they would always give me the same answer " It doesn't seem like we have started the processing part yet ,it might be still in the mail box" leaving me crying ,while on my application i had already applied with an attached letter requesting for URGENT RENEWAL ,describing all of the above in it.I contact my father back then, embarassed for the turn out of my mothers behavior and the situation in general and asked for help. He was unemployed himself and so worried, as he couldn't do much for me either at that time. I got a phonecall from the couple whose adress i gave for the application to be mailed to ,cause i didn't have an actual adress, my application was returned after a month and a half that i applied, with the conclusion that i was missing form of ID (which I didn't have any valid one) .I then had to apply using my Greek passport as a physical form of ID once again which would only be valid in a case like mine. Since then ,(February 18th) i have been waiting to get approved (when our goverment already knows i entered as a Canadian) finding the poorest and unhealthy ways to survive and i owe this to many kind people and they're interest to help otherwise i would've already been resting in the memory of the streets. The situation won't change to finally having again a normal human routine and not struggling, until i hear a different answer from the call center of Nova Scotia. Yesterday's announcement due to my application process update was: " It doesn't look like your application has started processing cause we cannot detect it in the system,must be still in the mail box" ,once again, Mrs. Rosa-Anna -phone agent said. Are there any chances of me getting any help as a Canadian citizen without any financial support?All of the non profit organizations said that my only chance is talking to the representative of my Area ,which i already have done and not got any help or any email replies in a week now when his caseworkers used to reply to me everyday.
For the last nine months i have been here, none of my rights as a Canadian Citizen were recognized i have been starving, i have been stressed and i have been standing strong, for all i know. I have been working since i was fourteen years old, I am mature and able enough to provide to myself the needs ,but i can't just be a ghost on the map.Please with all of my respect ,help me in any way you think is possible.I only wanna be able to work and obtain my responsibilities as a Canadian Citizen ,I wanna make something brighter out of my experience ,be able to feed myself again and mostly provide to our society.

Thank you for your time in these difficult days for all of us,
Thank you for adding up any of ur personal knowledge.
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Sincerely,
ANDRIANA TSIRONI

Without any document, what makes think you a Canadian citizen by naturalization? Btw, are you overstaying? Don't you think it's better to return to the EU?

 

[ANDRIANA TSIRONI]

You noticed I assume that this was a 6 year old thread regardless the long post from yesterday which does not seem that relevant to the OP

yes i did notice, by the way since i find your reply not related to both of the topics in this room , there is none other case like mine exactly in the forum so i tried to post it around the more similar cases to the one that's mine if it does make sense.

 

[ANDRIANA TSIRONI]

Without any document, what makes think you a Canadian citizen by naturalization? Btw, are you overstaying? Don't you think it's better to return to the EU?

WHat does make me think? the fact that i have an expired baby canadian passport that says Nationality : Canadian

 

[ANDRIANA TSIRONI]

WHat does make me think? the fact that i have an expired baby canadian passport that says Nationality : Canadian

They just do not accept this as a valid document cause its waaaaay expired ,i havent been in Canada since i was four , i came back after 18 years . And no, i wasn't educated enough on what i should've been carrying as a dual citizen as valid documents to fly with

 

[ANDRIANA TSIRONI]

You noticed I assume that this was a 6 year old thread regardless the long post from yesterday which does not seem that relevant to the OP

I am asking for proof of citizenship after i entered which i have the legal right to do as a Canadian even if it means thats not the order to do things,it should be still doable. I lived here. I just got raised somewhere else where im from and came back to see my mother who i didn't see for so many years.

 

[steaky]

They just do not accept this as a valid document cause its waaaaay expired ,i havent been in Canada since i was four , i came back after 18 years . And no, i wasn't educated enough on what i should've been carrying as a dual citizen as valid documents to fly with

In your first post, you said your father lost every piece of Canadian ID of you. But now you said you have an expired child's Canadian passport?

Then why didn't you go to the Canadian consulate in EU to get a valid Canadian passport instead?

 

[nicolass]

The citizenship certificate is not a travel document and cannot be used in lieu of a passport.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/proof.asp

they weren’t using it as a travel document. They were using their Egyptian passports. The PR is not a travel document either and yet air Canada accepts it as proof of being allowed into the country. Their policy makes absolutely no sense. They are allowing permanent residents in but blocking full fledged citizens. It’s insane.

 

[ANDRIANA TSIRONI]

In your first post, you said your father lost every piece of Canadian ID of you. But now you said you have an expired child's Canadian passport?

Then why didn't you go to the Canadian consulate in EU to get a valid Canadian passport instead?

Excuse me sir, it is not an original i believe it looks like a photocopy but thats one of the only things i have, once again, i have been provided with a special authorization that the Canadian goverment has the right to provide only to Canadians in emergency cases , that's how re-entered without a valid Canadian passport. I applied for proof of citizenship - search of status as soon as i entered so i can make things right legally from the very first days, it didn't seem as easy and imagine that for a foreign person its way harder, also other financial factors and situations made that even harder which again nobody is considering. SIMPLY : Even my passport only has one stamp, and that's the stamp of dating my entry in Canada, there is no expiry on staying stamp that i should have if i was on a casual visitor status and nobody has informed me for my status since I entered , the border officers didn't even give me any hard time entering without a passport. My greek passport is definitely still linked to this authorization and if not, Canada was able to tell I am eligible for a special authorization in 3 hours ,the only thing i needed to provide them was my greek passport scanned and they were able to cross-creed my info in a night.

 

[ANDRIANA TSIRONI]

In your first post, you said your father lost every piece of Canadian ID of you. But now you said you have an expired child's Canadian passport?

Then why didn't you go to the Canadian consulate in EU to get a valid Canadian passport instead?

Also in Europe ,through the Canadian embassy the processing time of renewal of citizenship certificate so you can then apply for passport, is approximately 2 years. Last year i lost a family member here and i didn't wanna risk through the distance to not see my mother again no matter how the situation turned out. Excuse me for interuppting the forum it is all due to the beginning of the trip when i wasn't educated enough, still have to face the consequences obviously but im really doing it in the most honest ways from the very start . I respected the rules of the goverment and cared about my status since i came here so i do at least deserve an update

 

[steaky]

they weren’t using it as a travel document. They were using their Egyptian passports. The PR is not a travel document either and yet air Canada accepts it as proof of being allowed into the country. Their policy makes absolutely no sense. They are allowing permanent residents in but blocking full fledged citizens. It’s insane.

The PR card is a travel document. Without it, a PR cannot re-enter Canada (unless he/she is a US citizen carrying US passport or holding a single use / multiple use PRTD).

 

[steaky]

Also in Europe ,through the Canadian embassy the processing time of renewal of citizenship certificate so you can then apply for passport, is approximately 2 years. Last year i lost a family member here and i didn't wanna risk through the distance to not see my mother again no matter how the situation turned out. Excuse me for interuppting the forum it is all due to the beginning of the trip when i wasn't educated enough, still have to face the consequences obviously but im really doing it in the most honest ways from the very start . I respected the rules of the goverment and cared about my status since i came here so i do at least deserve an update

Yes, you certainly learned the hard way. For me, I would rather process the renewal of citizenship certificate in a Canadian consulate and then apply for passport. There are too many inconveniences to apply these things in Canada.

 

[harirajmohan]

The PR card is a travel document. Without it, a PR cannot re-enter Canada (unless he/she is a US citizen carrying US passport or holding a single use / multiple use PRTD).

they weren’t using it as a travel document. They were using their Egyptian passports. The PR is not a travel document either and yet air Canada accepts it as proof of being allowed into the country. Their policy makes absolutely no sense. They are allowing permanent residents in but blocking full fledged citizens.
1. It’s insane.

But PR card/ PRTD serves just like a visa replacement. One cant anyway travel without a passport. So main travel document for flying is the passport and if one doesnt have visa then this pr card or prtd replaces it to get boarding.

1. So nothing insane on rules. Its nothing to do with status but status needs to be proven. Who knows one is citizen or not unless that person proves with the travel document. Citizenship certificate is not a travel document same like copr document for PR holders. I cant travel with just copr as i need relevant documents (pr card or prtd) proving my status to board the plane.

 

[steaky]

But PR card/ PRTD serves just like a visa replacement. One cant anyway travel without a passport. So main travel document for flying is the passport and if one doesnt have visa then this pr card or prtd replaces it to get boarding.

1. So nothing insane on rules. Its nothing to do with status but status needs to be proven. Who knows one is citizen or not unless that person proves with the travel document. Citizenship certificate is not a travel document same like copr document for PR holders. I cant travel with just copr as i need relevant documents (pr card or prtd) proving my status to board the plane.

PR can travel domestically (inside Canada) with PR card and without passport.

 

[Streetman]

Also in Europe ,through the Canadian embassy the processing time of renewal of citizenship certificate so you can then apply for passport, is approximately 2 years. Last year i lost a family member here and i didn't wanna risk through the distance to not see my mother again no matter how the situation turned out. Excuse me for interuppting the forum it is all due to the beginning of the trip when i wasn't educated enough, still have to face the consequences obviously but im really doing it in the most honest ways from the very start . I respected the rules of the goverment and cared about my status since i came here so i do at least deserve an update

Have you tried to get birth certificate if you’re born here?

 

[steaky]

Have you tried to get birth certificate if you’re born here?

He said he's a naturalised Canadian citizen. Look at the first post.