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Advice to all frequent US travellers by Road

Smile_Canada

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Hi,

I gave my test yesterday, and was given RQ to get an Entry/Exit record from US. They gave me the link from where to get it.

Link is:
https://i94.cbp.dhs.gov/I94/consent.html

This has information available online, u can get it immediately.

I knew about it beforehand but may be i was too confident that i have everything in place, didn't bothered bout it.

My advice for everyone similar to my situation is, take a printout of it before ur Test and take it along with you.

Now since i have got a RQ, i have ordered an FOIA too which will take 1 month . CIC haven't asked me for these but i have ordered for just in case.

As i-94 report doesn't seems to be complete, FOIA have more detailed information.

So if you are have too many trips may be even a good idea to order these as well in advance.

FOIA Link:
https://foiaonline.regulations.gov/foia/action/public/request/publicPreCreate
 

Msafiri

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Not every applicant with US travel even extensive gets an RQ (full CIT 0171 or lite CIT 520) e.g check recent posts by 'Keesio' a USC who states having 250 travels iirc during his qualifying residence period. Maybe your overall situation flagged a concern based on:

1. Were you employed full time in Canada (in a type of job requiring your physical presence in Canada allowing for short term reasonable business travel) for the entire or most of the qualifying period?

2. Are you applying under CA or new SCCA? If CA then how many actual physical presence days are you claiming (1095 or other figure?)

3. Do you have any long term US visa status - H1B/L1/US LPR etc?
 

Smile_Canada

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Msafiri said:
Not every applicant with US travel even extensive gets an RQ (full CIT 0171 or lite CIT 520) e.g check recent posts by 'Keesio' a USC who states having 250 travels iirc during his qualifying residence period. Maybe your overall situation flagged a concern based on:

1. Were you employed full time in Canada (in a type of job requiring your physical presence in Canada allowing for short term reasonable business travel) for the entire or most of the qualifying period?

2. Are you applying under CA or new SCCA? If CA then how many actual physical presence days are you claiming (1095 or other figure?)

3. Do you have any long term US visa status - H1B/L1/US LPR etc?
I agree to you, even i felt my case was very straight forward. But officer looking at my file was strictly looking to match stamps, which doesn't match as i travel by Road all the time. Also she mentioned that at Border they don't put stamps as its convenient at that time but not so convenient for them to verify.

Answer to your questions
1. I have full time job here in Canada for the entire period.
2. I don't know what u mean by CA or SCCA, but i am applying under old rule with 1103 days of actual physical presence.
3. I have visitor visa for US now, but i have worked on H1B prior to coming to Canada on PR. Also my son was born in US during my H1B time. So my son is included in my application too, and he is going to school here in Canada for which i have attached his School Letter.
4. Also i have another son who is born in Canada during this time, whose details are also mentioned in File.

That is the reason i said that take i-94 with u even if ur file is simple. As it is available online at no cost.

I am regretting as i knew bout it before hand, and all the time i was thinking to order FOIA too but never took it seriously. If i had taken i-94 printout and taken with me, I would have given to her right away when she was issuing me CIT0520, may be that would have satisfied her queries/doubts and my file would have moved further. But now it wud be pile up on someone's desk forever.
 

aburana

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Hi Smile_Canada,

I agree with you and thank you for the advice. I think this message is especially important for us who live close to border and are frequent travelers to US.

In my case, I thought it was very straightforward too: full time employment and only occasional vacation to US and day trips at most twice a month. I put down all the day trips in the calculator but it seems they need to verify each of them from stamps. So they requested the photocopy of the whole passport.

I hope more people can see this post so they can be better prepared for the interview - bring whatever proof they have (I94 reports, FOIA if possible, employment letter if possible) to help the officer verify your residency.

Good luck to those who have not taken the interview, and for those of us who received CIT 0520, I hope the delay is not too long.


Smile_Canada said:
I agree to you, even i felt my case was very straight forward. But officer looking at my file was strictly looking to match stamps, which doesn't match as i travel by Road all the time. Also she mentioned that at Border they don't put stamps as its convenient at that time but not so convenient for them to verify.

Answer to your questions
1. I have full time job here in Canada for the entire period.
2. I don't know what u mean by CA or SCCA, but i am applying under old rule with 1103 days of actual physical presence.
3. I have visitor visa for US now, but i have worked on H1B prior to coming to Canada on PR. Also my son was born in US during my H1B time. So my son is included in my application too, and he is going to school here in Canada for which i have attached his School Letter.
4. Also i have another son who is born in Canada during this time, whose details are also mentioned in File.

That is the reason i said that take i-94 with u even if ur file is simple. As it is available online at no cost.

I am regretting as i knew bout it before hand, and all the time i was thinking to order FOIA too but never took it seriously. If i had taken i-94 printout and taken with me, I would have given to her right away when she was issuing me CIT0520, may be that would have satisfied her queries/doubts and my file would have moved further. But now it wud be pile up on someone's desk forever.
 

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Hi Smile,

Sorry to hear about the CIT520. Hope your case is finalized soon once you send the i94 details and you receive the oath.

Thanks for your advise. I too have a lot of day trips to US by road.

Thanks!
 

Msafiri

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Smile_Canada said:
I agree to you, even i felt my case was very straight forward. But officer looking at my file was strictly looking to match stamps, which doesn't match as i travel by Road all the time. Also she mentioned that at Border they don't put stamps as its convenient at that time but not so convenient for them to verify.

Answer to your questions
1. I have full time job here in Canada for the entire period.
2. I don't know what u mean by CA or SCCA, but i am applying under old rule with 1103 days of actual physical presence.
3. I have visitor visa for US now, but i have worked on H1B prior to coming to Canada on PR. Also my son was born in US during my H1B time. So my son is included in my application too, and he is going to school here in Canada for which i have attached his School Letter.
4. Also i have another son who is born in Canada during this time, whose details are also mentioned in File.

That is the reason i said that take i-94 with u even if ur file is simple. As it is available online at no cost.

I am regretting as i knew bout it before hand, and all the time i was thinking to order FOIA too but never took it seriously. If i had taken i-94 printout and taken with me, I would have given to her right away when she was issuing me CIT0520, may be that would have satisfied her queries/doubts and my file would have moved further. But now it wud be pile up on someone's desk forever.
I agree that having the info to hand can only be a good thing. Maybe CIC should consider asking for applicants to consent to their travel data being received by CIC directly from CBP as is done for CBSA entry/exit data. Apologies for the acronyms - CA is the prior Citizenship Act (3/4 years) and SCCA the new citizenship Act (4/6 years). What some citizenship officers (COs) do is look at the margin of your buffer from 1095 days in your case 1103 giving an 8 day 'cushion'. If the doubtful/ unclear travel dates add to more than 8 days this will take you below 1095 days and into non routine processing territory. Possible that the COs maybe take say a random sample of US travel applicants or say every 5th file etc. Take it as positive that you didn't get a full blown RQ - my take is your full time job likely swung it to just the lite RQ.

Good luck
 

dpenabill

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Some frequent traveler to the U.S. observations:

"Frequent" is an imprecise term. An individual commuting to a job in the U.S. will, obviously, indeed be a frequent traveller to the U.S.

But "frequent traveller" might also apply to an individual who averages two trips to the U.S. a month (over the course of four years the latter would report, after all, nearly a hundred trips to the U.S., if reporting day trips -- and note, current application requires applicants to report day trips).

Detail differences in the individual case are likely to loom large, and CIC's perspective will also depend not just on the frequency of the trips but other factors, with status being a big one, nature and purpose of the travel another, as well as the nature of the individual's other associations or connections to the U.S.

For a PR with close family (other than spouse and dependent children) living relatively nearby in the U.S., and no other ties in the U.S., a hundred day trips in four years may evoke no more than a shrug. In contrast, for a PR with indications of ongoing residency related ties in the U.S. (employment history in the states; immediate family, as in dependents or spouse, living in the U.S.; Green Card status, among others), there is bound to be further if not elevated scrutiny. In a contrast of another sort, the individual with minimal or no apparent ties to the U.S., but who has a history of frequent travel to the U.S., is also likely to draw additional attention and scrutiny. For obvious reasons (or, one might more accurately say, due to obvious questions; declaration embracing weekly shopping trips to the U.S., for example, is as likely to raise questions as it is explain anything).

Generalizations can only intimate the broad range of possibilities.

That said, there are some generalizations which warrant the attention of applicants with frequent U.S. trips.

For example, applicants (other than U.S. citizens) with status to live or work in the U.S., especially those with a U.S. Green Card, are more likely to face elevated scrutiny and probably want to gather documentation to prove dates of travel sooner rather than later.

Applicants with work history in the U.S. (again, other than U.S. citizens), and especially with work history during the relevant time period for assessing residency (presence under new law), this including U.S. citizens, are also at even greater risk for elevated scrutiny and it would be prudent for them to gather documentation affirming dates of travel sooner rather than later.

And overall, the more frequently the PR traveled, the more significant it is to have a good buffer above the minimum presence threshold. (Note, for example, Justice Mactavish recently referred, in a Federal Court citizenship case decision, to a small margin above the threshold as a specific reason supporting the Citizenship Judge's decision . . . in a case which, by the way, involved a PR living in Windsor who had substantial U.S. ties. By the way, this is another case in which CIC's investigation into the applicant's LinkedIn account resulted in key information undermining the applicant's case.)

As for taking to the test interview the U.S. documentation reporting entries, there are at best mixed reports about the efficacy of doing this. If CIC is questioning U.S. travel in detail at that stage, the formal request for this documentation or even other documentation seems as likely as not even if the applicant brings additional documentation of this sort to the interview. Very few reports indicate additional documents helped . . . there are some such reports, yes, but they are not many and among those it is often not clear the additional documents actually did make a difference. It might be said that there is a chance the U.S. entry records can help and virtually no chance they will hurt, at the test interview, so if they are obtained in time, sure, bring them . . . but be discreet about offering them. The problem is that many times the applicant is not made aware, during the interview, as to what questions or doubts CIC has, so there is often no opportune moment in the interview (which the interviewers generally control and move through very quickly) to bring up and present additional documentation . . . and since even for those with numerous trips reported, there is usually not a problem, in effect interrupting the interviewer to push the presentation of additional documentation actually risks raising questions CIC has not, is not, considering. If, however, the discussion about declared travel or what's reflected in the passport, opens the issue, that would be an opportunity to introduce additional information.

But generally, as with most CIC and CBSA encounters/interviews, simple, straight-forward answers to the questions posed is the best approach, offering little beyond what is requested, offering explanations only if and when an explanation is requested. (Nonetheless a good idea, for those with elevated risks, to obtain the U.S. data sooner rather than wait. Good to have in hand if the issue comes up, or alternatively good to have readily available if a CIT 0520 or RQ comes after the interview.)

Overall, however: yes, of course, extensive ties abroad, including in the U.S. as indicated by frequent trips to the U.S., elevates the risk of questions, doubts, issues. A large measure of common-sense still applies despite the fact that the applicant for citizenship is dealing with a massive bureaucracy, recognizing that bureaucracy is what bureaucracy does and that tends to skew things more than a bit.
 

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Msafiri said:
Not every applicant with US travel even extensive gets an RQ (full CIT 0171 or lite CIT 520) e.g check recent posts by 'Keesio' a USC who states having 250 travels iirc during his qualifying residence period.
yep. To be clear, I had ~50-60 trips (mostly visiting my family) to the US to total ~250 days. Almost all by airplane. I was missing many stamps in my passport because US border officers would stamp my boarding pass instead of my passport when going to the US from YYZ and later when I got NEXUS, I didn't get any stamps entering Canada either.
 

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Hi Smile_Canada,

I agree with you and thank you for the advice.