Advice needed for complicated spousal application

[frege]

We have the police certificates but I never thought to keep boarding passes! I don't suppose there is a way to get them afterwards. We never lived our relationship thinking we would later have to prove it. And I hate clutter and throw out so much it is hurting us now

You can use both your passport stamps as a substitute, as well as e-mailed travel itineraries.

If it was really necessary in future, you could probably get records from the airlines for a fee, but it will probably never come to that.

If he has to renew his passport at any point, he should ask for the old one to be returned. If Ireland the UK doesn't do that, then make certified copies beforehand. [Actually, I know the UK does return your old passport.]

 

[Becki567]

You can use both your passport stamps as a substitute, as well as e-mailed travel itineraries.

If it was really necessary in future, you could probably get records from the airlines for a fee, but it will probably never come to that.

If he has to renew his passport at any point, he should ask for the old one to be returned. If Ireland doesn't do that, then make certified copies beforehand.

I do have the itineraries and the stamps in his passport. So hopefully they would be good enough. You would think they have to realize many people may not be aware of all the proof you need. I can't be the only person who didn't keep everything lol

 

[frege]

I do have the itineraries and the stamps in his passport. So hopefully they would be good enough. You would think they have to realize many people may not be aware of all the proof you need. I can't be the only person who didn't keep everything lol

You're not the only one!

Also remember stamps in your passport, if you've been travelling there.

Once he moves to Canada, it'll be the same thing all over again for naturalization, if he wants it. You need to start thinking about documentation four years before you apply.

 

[Becki567]

You're not the only one!

Also remember stamps in your passport, if you've been travelling there.

Once he moves to Canada, it'll be the same thing all over again for naturalization, if he wants it. You need to start thinking about documentation four years before you apply.

That is to become a citizen? If we have a child will they be dual citizen?

 

[frege]

That is to become a citizen? If we have a child will they be dual citizen?

Probably. If your husband was born in the UK and you in Canada, then your child will certainly be a dual citizen. (I said Ireland earlier - sorry for the confusion.)

If the child is born in Canada, then they'll have full rights to pass on citizenship to descendants, but not to pass on their UK citizenship, because they'll only be a "UK citizen by descent". The situation is reversed if the child is born in the UK.

My wife (who's British) and I have looked into this somewhat closely. If, for whatever reason, your grandchildren don't get UK citizenship, it will still probably be possible for them to move to the UK if they want to. (The reverse is not true for Canada.)

 

[Becki567]

Probably. If your husband was born in the UK and you in Canada, then your child will certainly be a dual citizen. (I said Ireland earlier - sorry for the confusion.)

If the child is born in Canada, then they'll have full rights to pass on citizenship to descendants, but not to pass on their UK citizenship, because they'll only be a "UK citizen by descent". The situation is reversed if the child is born in the UK.

My wife (who's British) and I have looked into this somewhat closely. If, for whatever reason, your grandchildren don't get UK citizenship, it will still probably be possible for them to move to the UK if they want to. (The reverse is not true for Canada.)

Would you and I get any .. I dunno... Special note in our passwords that we are married to a UK citizen. Or when we travel we would still only be a visitor.

I did hear about a Canadian actor.. Forget who.
That had children born in the states and never went ahead and filled out some paperwork or something for Canada so the actors child tried to get the grandchildren citizenship they were denied. It seems so crazy to me.

 

[frege]

Would you and I get any .. I dunno... Special note in our passwords that we are married to a UK citizen. Or when we travel we would still only be a visitor.

No. We're just visitors. Still the same "no recourse to public funds" that we always get, unless we apply to move there. There are strict income criteria now.

Strangely, if we do someday get permission to settle in Britain, we'll be able to vote in their elections even before we become citizens, since we're from a Commonwealth country.

I did hear about a Canadian actor.. Forget who.
That had children born in the states and never went ahead and filled out some paperwork or something for Canada so the actors child tried to get the grandchildren citizenship they were denied. It seems so crazy to me.

The laws change every thirty years or so, and too many people have accidentally lost, or never claimed, their citizenship because they didn't know about all the quirks in the laws.

One guy in the news recently was born in Canada and has only ever lived in Canada, but is being deported.

Thing is, his parents were staff in a foreign embassy, so he was never a citizen. Later they became citizens and naturalized most of their kids. But they didn't naturalize him, because he had a Canadian passport (issued in error), so they assumed he was Canadian and didn't think it necessary.

Now he's committed some crime and he's being deported to India, a country he's never even been to. This thanks to the Tories' policy of deporting "foreign" criminals. Apparently "foreign" includes people who have only ever lived in Canada, and who would have become citizens if they hadn't been told erroneously that they already were.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Ottawa+born+still+limbo+after+India+refuses+issue+travel+documents+deportation+from+Canada/8693543/story.html

 

[Becki567]

Wow. That whole article really saddens me as a Canadian. I love my country but there are times I can only shake my head and wonder what they are thinking.

 

[frege]

Hi Becki,

I've been looking at this again, and there's an advantage of an inland application that hasn't been mentioned here.

If you submit an inland application together with an application for a work permit, the work permit application will be pending until a decision is made. That means that your husband will be on implied status, and can continue working on his current work permit under the same conditions until everything is finalized (or AIP is granted).

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?q=188&t=17

Implied status is lost the moment you leave Canada, so any travel would be impossible until AIP.

I believe this is correct, but I hope other members will be able to confirm this for you.

Unfortunately, I missed this earlier.

 

[Becki567]

Hi Becki,

I've been looking at this again, and there's an advantage of an inland application that hasn't been mentioned here.

If you submit an inland application together with an application for a work permit, the work permit application will be pending until a decision is made. That means that your husband will be on implied status, and can continue working on his current work permit under the same conditions until everything is finalized (or AIP is granted).

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?q=188&t=17

Implied status is lost the moment you leave Canada, so any travel would be impossible until AIP.

I believe this is correct, but I hope other members will be able to confirm this for you.

Unfortunately, I missed this earlier.

I know when the IEC visas came out this year they were a few months late being released and at the time there was a lot of talk about this implied status and I know it was made clear by the CIC that IEC visas are not able to get implied status as they are not capable of being renewed or extended.

I am not sure if that would still hold true when going the PR route... be interesting if anyone else has any insight or knowledge on this...

 

[zardoz]

IEC is one of the few cases where there is no extension by "implied status", even with a PR application.

 

[frege]

I know when the IEC visas came out this year they were a few months late being released and at the time there was a lot of talk about this implied status and I know it was made clear by the CIC that IEC visas are not able to get implied status as they are not capable of being renewed or extended.

I am not sure if that would still hold true when going the PR route... be interesting if anyone else has any insight or knowledge on this...

Okay, I see. Others on the forum seem to have said the same as you and Zardoz.

Do you have any links to where CIC said this specifically about implied status?