Advice me a wicked plan please

[Canadababy]

Yes, you can exchange a UK license for a Canadian license.

1. It's an option but as explained to you, the UK may not let you keep the UK passport if they find that your family has moved to Canada and that you have no intention of staying in the UK either.

2. Also keep in mind that with this option, you could be reported on entry for not meeting the residency requirements which would put a kink in your plans. However, you would have to see if that happens and deal with it then.

3. You can only apply for a new PR if you qualify under the current rules which may not be the same as when you applied originally. Further, you must have lost your current PR in order to apply again. There is however no reason to renounce your PR while you still meet the RO.
If you take option 1, you would not have to renounce your PR. If you take option 2 and get reported, as you have no humane and compassionate grounds for not meeting the RO, appealing for your PR would just buy some time but probably not a good result. You could stay in Canada while you wait but in the end, you would most likely lose and be asked to leave. You would still have the option to apply again in that case but it would give you a gap where you have to leave Canada and wait for your new application to get processed.
If you do not pick option 1, option 3 may be preferable to option 2 if you qualify. You could look into if you still qualify to apply shortly before you want to go back, then renounce your old PR and apply for a new one for the whole family. You would however have to stay away while you wait for processing of your new application. If you no longer qualify to apply, you could try option 2.

Many thanks Leon you are a star!

Lets say if I go for Option 2 =====Whole family moves there on visa exempt passport & few months PR validity remaining..…WORST case being noticed by IO and requested to leave country after the expiry of the PR…this would still give me some months to live and hunt a job in Canada, If I am successful than I would have company employment contract and payslips etc with me, would that be any useful point??
Let say if I renounce my immigration at that point and re-apply fresh immigration within Canada as I got Canadian job..would I still be required to leave Canada?

 

[Leon]

Many thanks Leon you are a star!

Lets say if I go for Option 2 =====Whole family moves there on visa exempt passport & few months PR validity remaining.....WORST case being noticed by IO and requested to leave country after the expiry of the PR...this would still give me some months to live and hunt a job in Canada, If I am successful than I would have company employment contract and payslips etc with me, would that be any useful point??
Let say if I renounce my immigration at that point and re-apply fresh immigration within Canada as I got Canadian job..would I still be required to leave Canada?

Worst case, IO notices that you don't meet the RO and decides to report you for it.

You would then have two options:

A. accept the loss of your PR and enter as a visitor, unable to work or get health care

or

B. appeal for your PR, even though you have no good reasons for not meeting the RO, you remain a PR during the appeal processing and may remain in Canada as a PR as your appeal gets processed which may take 1-2 years.

If you lose the appeal and your PR, you would be asked to leave.

There is no smooth transition between losing your PR and applying again. If you lose your PR, you would be asked to leave as well as you lose other rights associated with being a PR such as the right to work in Canada without a permit. They usually give you 30 days to get out. You could apply to change your status to visitor and if approved, that would allow you more time but no right to work.

Applying for PR again would not give you the right to work either until you get it which can take months or in some cases years.

If you have a job when you lose your PR, your employer could apply for an LMO for you (labour market opinion) in order for you to be able to apply for a work permit. The process of applying for an LMO, getting it and applying for a work permit can take months. There is no guarantee that the employer will get the LMO. This would be based on showing that he could not find Canadians or PR's who were qualified and willing to take the job. Even if they get the LMO, there is still no guarantee that you would be granted a work permit. Immigration could say that as you wanted to keep your PR and as you have expressed your wishes to remain in Canada that they are not ready to grant you a work permit based on that you are at a risk to overstay.

 

[Canadababy]

Worst case, IO notices that you don't meet the RO and decides to report you for it.

Thanks again for the quick answers, much mmmuch appreciated!

Why would IO even think about PR or RO, when all he just see are the visa exempt passports that’s it [a family coming on holiday].
What is the probability of IO questioning the tourists about their history with Canada etc and may discover about our PRs?
Is it quite common where IO notices the exempt passport people are actually PR holders as well and not meeting the RO?
Have you seen any similar cases being noticed by the IOs?

 

[zardoz]

Thanks again for the quick answers, much mmmuch appreciated!

Why would IO even think about PR or RO, when all he just see are the visa exempt passports that's it [a family coming on holiday].
What is the probability of IO questioning the tourists about their history with Canada etc and may discover about our PRs?
Is it quite common where IO notices the exempt passport people are actually PR holders as well and not meeting the RO?
Have you seen any similar cases being noticed by the IOs?

It's all on the luck of the draw. If you are met by an IO who is new on the job and has just finished training, they might be more attentive to details than someone who is about to retire, for example. Any hint of suspicion, and they just send you straight off to secondary inspection... That's where they will take your history to pieces...

 

[Canadababy]

It's all on the luck of the draw. If you are met by an IO who is new on the job and has just finished training, they might be more attentive to details than someone who is about to retire, for example. Any hint of suspicion, and they just send you straight off to secondary inspection... That's where they will take your history to pieces...

Many thanks.

Sorry for repeating again, but as per your experience what is the probability you have noticed?

 

[scylla]

Many thanks.

Sorry for repeating again, but as per your experience what is the probability you have noticed?

No one is going to be able to provide you with a probability.

 

[Canadababy]

No worries

You guys have been a real help to drew me a clear picture.

This forum is so helpful.

Thanks.

 

[michie2014]

Re: Advice me to immigrate to Canada

Hi Leon , I am new register onb this forum , i find you very sincere and good adviser.My family ( wife + 2 children 15/20 years old) are very eager to move to Canada.My wife main applicant as high skill and 6 years experienced Early Childhood Teacher ( Dipolma + Bachelor Degree from NZ University). We hold Brazilian and Portuguese Passport. We a trying to find employer able to issue LMO to apply for Work Permit or PR ( FSW or PNP). She has done many contacts through net but employers not able to do LMO despite they say her CV and experience very impressive to them. She is 50 years Old and i am 59 working 10 years as Tour guide and Coach Tour driver.My wife occupation is on NOC list from 1 May 2014. So what you recomend to do?

1) How to get LMO in Canada once we are in Sydney
2) Do you recommend any honesty agency to help her to get LMO employer, we have paid CAD 1.000 for one em Alberta and nothing has done. just waste our time and money.
3) Person as my wife high skill and education despite 50 years old , do you think is difficult to move to Canada?

Leon Please could you give to us more details by e-mail , you can contact me souza.902@gmail.com , my family and I will appreciate your hands on it. Keep in touch

Many Thanks

Michie

 

[Leon]

Re: Advice me to immigrate to Canada

1) How to get LMO in Canada once we are in Sydney
2) Do you recommend any honesty agency to help her to get LMO employer, we have paid CAD 1.000 for one em Alberta and nothing has done. just waste our time and money.
3) Person as my wife high skill and education despite 50 years old , do you think is difficult to move to Canada?

1. If her occupation is now on the NOC list for FSW, she doesn't need an LMO. She should apply asap before the quota is filled. If the quota is filled and she needs an LMO, there is no other way but to continue contacting employers. Some people had 100s of rejections before finally getting an LMO.

2. Some agencies may be able to help link her with an employer. However, in most provinces, they are not allowed to charge you for this. Of course they still do try to charge you, for example for reworking your CV etc. but $1,000 seems like a scam to me.

3. Age discrimination is not as bad in Canada as it is in many other countries. However, if you look at the points system for FSW, you see there is an age component. Over 47 gets no points for age, see http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/apply-factors.asp Some provinces PNP's also have age limits, sometimes as low as 49.

 

[michie2014]

Hi Leon

Thanks for your reply and comments .. we are sure we waste time and money and we are going to Canada Consulate to start off our application FSW . So what do you think PNP could be better option due some province consider age limit 55 years old and she can get points .. i am not sure she can get enough 67 points as FSW application. Unfortunately we cant find some lawyer in Sydney to help us on it. Do you think we can rely on someone in Canada to help us or we can do by ourself?

All the best Leon

Michie

 

[Leon]

If she can't get enough points through FSW, then you must apply through a PNP but for PNP you will need an LMO.

Not all provinces will allow her to apply at the age of 50. You need to google each PNP and look at their requirements regarding age. When trying to get an LMO, you need to try in the provinces that will allow people over 50 to apply.

 

[toby]

I suggest you wait until your entire family get the British passport and then use that passport to enter Canada without showing your (then) expired PR card. Once you and/or wife are in Canada, wait 2 years and then sponsor your children for PR.

Steaky: If he enters Canada as a tourist, he will be granted maybe 6 months of stay in Canada. He will be overstaying his touist visa if he stays quietly in Canada for two years. Wouldn't that jeopardize his PR renewal?

 

[Alurra71]

Steaky: If he enters Canada as a tourist, he will be granted maybe 6 months of stay in Canada. He will be overstaying his touist visa if he stays quietly in Canada for two years. Wouldn't that jeopardize his PR renewal?

Even if he is admitted as a tourist, he will not be overstaying any visa because he is technically a PR. No, it won't jeopardize any PR renewal.