Additional documents for citizenship application

[BOXSIR]

Hi all

I applied for my citizenship in Nov 2013 from calgary, CIC started process 10 Feb,2014 ,
I have total 330 absences and 1128 days of physical presence.
After reading discussion about RQ in this forum , to give a try to avoid RQ, I m thinking to send atleast the following additional documnets to CIC :
1- Employment letters
2- Lease Agrrements
3- Tax assesments
4- T4s
5- Color photocopies of all my passport pages.

Is this right to send above docs? OR its too late?
Will CIC get suspicious why I m sending these additional docs while there is no such request from CIC?

Thanks

 

[Goldline]

I'm not an expert but I think it's too late now that you applied already. yes you may get RQ but all you can do now is get ready and prepare as many documents/proof as you can, this way as soon as you receive the RQ you reply right away and u save some time. hopefully you'll not need to.
any update about your case ?? is it in process? check in this forum and see pple who applied same period

 

[BOXSIR]

Thanks Goldline
Iam already in the prepration and collection of all avialble documents for future RQ
yes my application is in process since 10 feb, 2014 (approx. 2 months now).
what will happen if i send the above additional docs now? (worst case)

thanks

 

[Goldline]

Thanks Goldline
Iam already in the prepration and collection of all avialble documents for future RQ
yes my application is in process since 10 feb, 2014 (approx. 2 months now).
what will happen if i send the above additional docs now? (worst case)

thanks

The worst thing that can happen is that they send you a RQ because your file would be suspecious.

 

[rayman_m]

The worst thing that can happen is that they send you a RQ because your file would be suspecious.

I don't understand why his file would be suspicious? He has lived over 1100 days physically in last four years that what is the key issue for CIC and he must have proof (Passport with exit/entry stamps, CBSA report, NOA) when he will be called for interview. Applicants applying from late 2013 will get very few RQ as CIC is trying to eliminate extra work for RQ and rather asking specific documents to support the residency..

 

[Msafiri]

Hi all

I applied for my citizenship in Nov 2013 from calgary, CIC started process 10 Feb,2014 ,
I have total 330 absences and 1128 days of physical presence.
After reading discussion about RQ in this forum , to give a try to avoid RQ, I m thinking to send atleast the following additional documnets to CIC :
1- Employment letters
2- Lease Agrrements
3- Tax assesments
4- T4s
5- Color photocopies of all my passport pages.

Is this right to send above docs? OR its too late?
Will CIC get suspicious why I m sending these additional docs while there is no such request from CIC?

Thanks

1. Your application is post OB 407 (effective May 2012) which introduced the File Template Analysis by Sidney CPC including the issuance of RQ based on triggers e.g self employment with travel. Its likely you've avoided an RQ because Sidney would/should have issued one by now.

2. If you send the info now Sidney CPC has to retrieve your file and match up the docs to your application. You are relying on the CIC clerk doing this correctly and placing your file back in the correct place in the 'In Process' line.

3. Thereafter it will sit gathering dust (if on its own doesn't flag up a concern such as a financial transaction in the US on a date you declared to be in Canada) until your file is transferred to Calgary which based on current timelines will be in 7-10 months after your 'In Process' date.

4. Calgary Office will review your info on interview/test date which is around the 9 month mark after transfer. They may look closely, quick perusal or completely disregard the info you sent.

5. Its clear CIC are reducing the full blown RQ issuance towards an RQ lite approach - check poster eileenf for the different versions of RQ. This means you will likely get if it does happen the RQ lite.

6. What I'm saying is keep the records ready for when/if the RQ day comes - my 2 cents!

 

[rayman_m]

@Msafiri, I believe CIC is under pressure to eliminate the RQ burden and thus from 02-2014 they included the 6.F in application to provide work documents as CIC is trying to find ways to determine residency. Also under the new proposed rule, CIC will ask for 4 years NOA with application which means CIC will give great deal of importance in NOA as a 2nd most vital proof alongside with Passport and CBSA report.

Therefore, from Feb-2014 onward even a applicant is self-employed or unemployed but filed taxes and can provide NOA for last 4 years with the initial application, it is unlikely will get a RQ for just as a self-employed or being unemployed. CIC may deal with travel issues separately finding absent from Passport exit/entry stamp, CBSA entry report.

 

[Msafiri]

OB407 has been modified with the last version as I recall being OB407D - the revised versions appear to have modified the original triggers but CIC stepped their game up and OB407D never made it to the public domain (as yet).

Yes the inclusion of NOAs is a significant step but won't mean you avoid an RQ....CIC will continue to review the totality of your application e.g you have declared self employed with annual income in each of the 4 years at below Social Assistance levels but have extensive travel...my take is you will still get RQd. CIC will also scrutinise the employer for those working...too many fake businesses out there....they already stepped this up with the LMO process.

 

[jujuberanch]

330 absences ??? or 330 days of absence?

Hi all

I applied for my citizenship in Nov 2013 from calgary, CIC started process 10 Feb,2014 ,
I have total 330 absences and 1128 days of physical presence.
After reading discussion about RQ in this forum , to give a try to avoid RQ, I m thinking to send atleast the following additional documnets to CIC :
1- Employment letters
2- Lease Agrrements
3- Tax assesments
4- T4s
5- Color photocopies of all my passport pages.

Is this right to send above docs? OR its too late?
Will CIC get suspicious why I m sending these additional docs while there is no such request from CIC?

Thanks

 

[jujuberanch]

based on did you draw such a conclusion? and how large is your sample size?

I don't understand why his file would be suspicious? He has lived over 1100 days physically in last four years that what is the key issue for CIC and he must have proof (Passport with exit/entry stamps, CBSA report, NOA) when he will be called for interview. Applicants applying from late 2013 will get very few RQ as CIC is trying to eliminate extra work for RQ and rather asking specific documents to support the residency..

 

[rayman_m]

A self-employed person declaring annual income below $20,000 (from business/investment/interest etc) and does not take social assistance funds from govt is one issue and a self-employed person who declares income below $20,000 but take social assistance is another issue. I am sure CIC will evaluate this and chances on getting RQ on 2nd point is quite likely.

Extensive travel is something CIC will evaluate the reasons for such travels. Yes, this can trigger RQ due to CIC may want to know more on the travels whether the person has taken a job or doing business overseas and appears lesser ties with Canada.

 

[rayman_m]

based on did you draw such a conclusion? and how large is your sample size?

I am not drawing any conclusion. I just replied a poster's quote on the word "SUSPICIOUS". We should not tell here a person that your file looks suspicious. It's CIC's job to determine... That's all..

 

[us2yow]

The Feb 2014 requires Employment records but DOES NOT ask for CRA NOAs. Knowing CIC, if they wanted it upfront (under current rules), they would have explicitly ask for the NOAs in the latest Feb 2014 update to the citizenship application form.

Then why give it to them upfront and bulk up the package unnecessarily ?

 

[rayman_m]

The Feb 2014 requires Employment records but DOES NOT ask for CRA NOAs. Knowing CIC, if they wanted it upfront (under current rules), they would have explicitly ask for the NOAs in the latest Feb 2014 update to the citizenship application form.

Then why give it to them upfront and bulk up the package unnecessarily ?

It depends on individual applicant's situation. If applicant considers himself has other credible work documents such as employment letter covering the period/T4 etc and decide not to disclose NOA in advance, its up to individual choice. But at some point (likely on interview) CIC will be interested to see the NOAs. However, self-employed does not have employment letter & T4 instead the only official work documents for them will be NOA which explicit residency and the income reported to the CRA. Also may submit copy of contracts/agreements/etc if any as a additional supporting.

 

[RussCan]

1. Your application is post OB 407 (effective May 2012) which introduced the File Template Analysis by Sidney CPC including the issuance of RQ based on triggers e.g self employment with travel. Its likely you've avoided an RQ because Sidney would/should have issued one by now.

2. If you send the info now Sidney CPC has to retrieve your file and match up the docs to your application. You are relying on the CIC clerk doing this correctly and placing your file back in the correct place in the 'In Process' line.

3. Thereafter it will sit gathering dust (if on its own doesn't flag up a concern such as a financial transaction in the US on a date you declared to be in Canada) until your file is transferred to Calgary which based on current timelines will be in 7-10 months after your 'In Process' date.

4. Calgary Office will review your info on interview/test date which is around the 9 month mark after transfer. They may look closely, quick perusal or completely disregard the info you sent.

5. Its clear CIC are reducing the full blown RQ issuance towards an RQ lite approach - check poster eileenf for the different versions of RQ. This means you will likely get if it does happen the RQ lite.

6. What I'm saying is keep the records ready for when/if the RQ day comes - my 2 cents!

I agree with you except for the timeline for the Calgary office. They started processing our file on February 9 and already in late March it was transferred to Calgary. Similar timilene with my friend who applied like myself in November 2013. His file was also transferred to calgary in March.