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A liberal promise: residency time credit to be restored towards citizenship

RoRo2015

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I was supposed to be eligible for citizenship because I earned residency time credit as a student in June 11th 2015 and the same day the law changed to the new 4/6 :mad:. I am now hopeful that the new elected Liberal majority government will keep his promise:
www .liberal .ca/ realchange /international-students-and-temporary-residents/
 

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RoRo2015 said:
I was supposed to be eligible for citizenship because I earned residency time credit as a student in June 11th 2015 and the same day the law changed to the new 4/6 :mad:. I am now hopeful that the new elected Liberal majority government will keep his promise:
www .liberal .ca/ realchange /international-students-and-temporary-residents/
I also voted Liberal. Glad to hear that you are all positive. Not to rain on your parade. It is not that easy to repeal a law. It is not a Bill C24 IT is a law now. All part of it has come into effect. Justin will be first busy learning the day to day activities of being a PM. To get to Immigration it will take him a while. So If I were you I would not hold my breath. Enjoy life in Canada. You will become a citizen.

Also please don't think I'm saying this because I have crossed the bridge. A lot of my friends have been affected by the new law and they are also a little unhappy. Having said that there life is not affected in anyway. They still travel in and out as much as they want. They even have Nexus card which allows easier entry and exit than a regular Canadian citizen without Nexus.

So all the best for your citizenship Journey. I hope Liberals make the promises that they have given.
 

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chikloo said:
. A lot of my friends have been affected by the new law and they are also a little unhappy. Having said that there life is not affected in anyway. They still travel in and out as much as they want. They even have Nexus card which allows easier entry and exit than a regular Canadian citizen without Nexus.

So all the best for your citizenship Journey. I hope Liberals make the promises that they have given.
wow I thought that only a canadian- not a PR- can get a NEXUS card ?
 

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debonair388 said:
That is correct as a PR you can also apply to get a Nexus card
you can apply and get it ?
 

jason2540

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This is a very nice promise -- I hope to see it happen soon.
I wonder if the Liberals will also bring back the 3 out of 4 year rule for citizenship.
 

dpenabill

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To be clear, while the platforms for both the NDP and the Liberals included repeal of PARTS of Bill C-24, the requirements for naturalized citizenship were not specifically mentioned and as far as I saw not suggested.

That is, there was NO promise to change the 4/6 rule or the no credit for pre-landing time.
 

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dpenabill said:
To be clear, while the platforms for both the NDP and the Liberals included repeal of PARTS of Bill C-24, the requirements for naturalized citizenship were not specifically mentioned and as far as I saw not suggested.

That is, there was NO promise to change the 4/6 rule or the no credit for pre-landing time.
Actually, they DID promise to restore pre-PR residency time

http://www.liberal.ca/realchange/international-students-and-temporary-residents/

We will give international students and temporary residents credit for time already spent in Canada.

We will make it easier for international students and other temporary residents to become Canadian citizens by restoring the residency time credit. We will also make changes to the Canadian Experience Class, to reduce the barriers to immigration imposed on international students.

http://www.liberal.ca/realchange/international-students-and-temporary-residents/
 

HHH2000

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meyakanor said:
Actually, they DID promise to restore pre-PR residency time

http://www.liberal.ca/realchange/international-students-and-temporary-residents/


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Trudeau have 5 years to fullfill his promises anf for his top priority cannot be Bill C-24, his top priorities are bring country economical condition back on track and improve infrasture of the country. So please don't think he is over turning the law with a year, it would take around anywhere between 2-5 years, by the time I believe most of you lost the interest.
 

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Trudeau have 5 years to fullfill his promises anf for his top priority cannot be Bill C-24, his top priorities are bring country economical condition back on track and improve infrasture of the country. So please don't think he is over turning the law with a year, it would take around anywhere between 2-5 years, by the time I believe most of you lost the interest.
I was responding to a post which stated that it was never suggested, which was not at all the case. They did promise to modify this particular bit of C-24.

I said nothing about whether or not he would actually follow through with this particular promise within a year.
 

HHH2000

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meyakanor said:
I was responding to a post which stated that it was never suggested, which was not at all the case. They did promise to modify this particular bit of C-24.

I said nothing about whether or not he would actually follow through with this particular promise within a year.
I agree you never mentioned any such thing, my comments are for all my fellows here as if someone having greater expectation might feel disappointed very quickly.
 

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There are thousands of PR holders waiting to become Citizens. Its in the liberal party best interests to revert this law in a reasonable time (2 years). The more citizens it makes, the more votes it secures to get re-elected. ;D
 

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I stand corrected, as indeed the detailed platform (more extensive and detailed than what has been summarized in stump speeches and media coverage) does include a commitment to restore credit to students and other temporary residents. Details of this are not specified.

The platform also states, even more generally that the Liberals will repeal the unfair elements of Bill C-24 "that make it more difficult for hard-working immigrants to become Canadian citizens." Not sure what this means.

The details in the Liberal platform regarding immigration are found in a pdf at https://www.liberal.ca/files/2015/09/A-new-plan-for-Canadian-immigration-and-economic-opportunity.pdf

The other high profile commitments for change include:
-- repeal the so-called "two-tiered" citizenship provisions in Bill C-24
-- increase budgets for processing applications in key areas such as family class reunification applications
-- expanding program for accepting refugees in Canada and funding refugee aid programs abroad

In so far as restoring credit for time spent residing in Canada before becoming a PR, it is difficult to see how that would work without some major changes to the Bill C-24 physical presence requirements, the 4/6 rule. The question then is whether this is a commitment that will be kept or whether even the 4/6 rule might be rolled back.

As others have noted, there are two other big factors. One is the timeline. The Conservatives, for example, had been promising changing the residency requirements to become a citizen back well before they formed a majority government in 2011 (and had tabled bills to do so but did not get them passed before Parliament was dissolved), and the changes which just took effect in June 2015 were promised in the 2011 campaign. Changing the law takes time.

The other is just how difficult it is to make changes like this. I already alluded to the problem in restoring the credit for pre-landing time is that it is hard to see how that could practically be implemented without changing the 4/6 rule as well. The 4/6 rule, however, is tangled with the 183 days X 4 years rule, and the 4 X compliance with tax filing obligation rule. It seems unlikely that all this would be dropped and the requirements return to as they were. Especially when these changes were almost certainly applauded by most Canadians. In other words, stepping back the requirements for citizenship will be no easy task, and not one to be done soon.

That said, repealing the so-called two-tiered citizenship provisions does appear to be a priority, and in his victory speech Trudeau alluded to this in restating a common refrain of his, "a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian." And if a bill is tabled to amend the Citizenship Act (to repeal provisions adopted in Bill C-24), it seems likely that at least most changes to be made would be included in that tabled legislation.

Hard to guess how soon or how committed to actually following through on this Trudeau's government will be. As I noted, it is not as if this aspect of immigration and citizenship, the requirements for becoming a citizen, got much attention at all (particularly as compared to the attention given the provisions for revoking citizenship based on certain criminal convictions, the so-called two-tiered citizenship provisions).



Campaign promises and reality:

It may be worth keeping in mind that this platform was drafted before the Liberals were really a contender to form even a minority government. It was barely two weeks ago when the majority word even came up regarding the Liberal's prospects, and it was laughingly dismissed. Well into the day Monday, election day, pundits and pollsters alike, in unison, were still quite emphatically predicting NO majority government. It is somewhat easy to make very broad, sweeping promises when there is no prospect of having a majority government. Elizabeth May and Gilles Duceppe, for example, could freely make wild promises because there was never any chance of them forming a government, let alone a majority. The three major parties needed to be somewhat more tempered in their promises, just in terms of being somewhat realistic, but throughout the campaign it was clear that both the NDP and Liberals were making the broad sweeping promises of a Party aiming to win enough votes to win enough ridings to become the government but with little or no prospect of forming a majority government.

I do not know of a single pundit or pollster who forecast any party having a chance to win more than 155 or so seats, 162 at the very most, and only then if there was in effect a huge tide late in the race. There was a huge tide late in the race, a far bigger tide than any of the pundits, pollsters, or even party insiders so much as imagined.

That was the long way around to saying that the Liberal platform was drafted in a context which had very low prospects of being in a position to actually follow through on all the commitments being made, in a context where even a big win would not give them a majority, so that the actual changes would be only those agreed upon by multiple parties. I can imagine some Trudeau insiders already biting their lips, wondering oh no, what do we do now . . . all those promises . . .

I certainly do not expect them to follow through, certainly not completely, with every promise. And it is the bigger, broader promises I am hoping Trudeau works hard to keep the most, like listening to every member of Parliament in the process of making decisions (Harper did not so much as even consult his own caucus, let alone non-Conservatives). That, however, will be difficult at times, inconvenient, and slow the process down. That's the hard side of democracy, the side of democracy Harper was never willing to engage in, let alone work through. And of course if Trudeau lives up to this campaign promise, that will mean he will not be able to follow through on many, many of his more specific promises. That's OK.

In any event, for PRs who do not qualify for citizenship under the current requirements, but who would sooner qualify with credit for time in Canada on a student or work permit, probably better to not get your hopes up too much that change will come soon enough to make much of a difference for you personally. Maybe it will come, and come in time to work for some, but for most of those it would benefit if in place now, that time period will be too far back to help by the time such changes are actually made and implemented, even if the timeline to making the changes is as accelerated as could conceivably be.
 

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An expert analysis indeed. I strongly suggest to anyone interested in this topic to take their time reading McCullum's criticism of C-24 during the parliamentary debates. It's highly likely that he will become the next CIC minister, and taking into account that he recognizes the multiple problems pertaining to this Act (not limited to the so-called second tier citizenship), with some luck we may end up with CIC taking a legislative initiative to get rid of the C-24 (because like dpenabill said, you can't fix it partially) and the majority voting it without any hassle. The Liberals have all the tools to implement this policy, fixing an outright stupidity. Wheteher they will actually do it or not, is a whole different issue.

https://openparliament.ca/bills/41-2/C-24/?page=26