3 in 1 question related to PR and / or citizenship application processing

[blueshirt]

Hi,

I have 3 questions related to PR and / or citizenship application processing.

1. Is the operating process same between a PR renewal and a citizenship processing application. Meaning is it same office and same officers. When a officer is engaged in paper work is the same officer simultaneously engaged into PR and citizenship applicants and divides his work

2. If someone has been given RQ for PR renewal, at the time of filing citizenship is that old file opened or reference taken of that past applicants PR file.

3. Some people after in process can withdrawn their citizenship application but sometime the withdrawal is not accepted. why that happens? sometimes you can withdraw and sometimes you cannot. How are the applicants' treated with previous citizenship withdrawal when applying again.

thanks

 

[Msafiri]

1. Many steps are similar such as verification of residence. Increasingly there is alignment between the two processes even with the forms and requested documents increasingly becoming common. However PR residency timeline is different as 2/5 years while Citizenship is currently 3/4. Also Citizenship applications have a more thorough background checking process. Different officers typically deal with each type of application but you have those who can do either especially if PR renewal is referred to Local CIC Office. There is no concerted effort for the 2 processes to be simultaneous - it depends on your application and if its clear cut or not. However concerns/actions etc are captured on GCMS so any of the officers can see this...CIC now run GCMS checks at each stage of citizenship/PR Card renewal processing.

2. Everything is on GCMS so what do you think?

3. If there is criminality in the application including fraud then its tough luck - the applicant has a legal situation. Depending on withdrawal reason then you may or may not get RQd second time round. Typically if say you failed the test and decided to withdraw then you may re-apply and not get an RQ. If you got an RQ then withdraw since you either don't have the evidence or more often because you fudged the day count then sure you will be RQd!

 

[allyp]

1. Many steps are similar such as verification of residence. Increasingly there is alignment between the two processes even with the forms and requested documents increasingly becoming common. However PR residency timeline is different as 2/5 years while Citizenship is currently 3/4. Also Citizenship applications have a more thorough background checking process. Different officers typically deal with each type of application but you have those who can do either especially if PR renewal is referred to Local CIC Office. There is no concerted effort for the 2 processes to be simultaneous - it depends on your application and if its clear cut or not. However concerns/actions etc are captured on GCMS so any of the officers can see this...CIC now run GCMS checks at each stage of citizenship/PR Card renewal processing.

Hi Msafiri

Agree with Msafiri. I was RQed in my citizenship appln. I ordered my ATIP GCMS and I found out that I was RQed because FOSS GCMS shows greater absence. I did not understand the meaning, and recently I ordered ATIP physical and the notes on the file indicated that I got RQ because when I had renewed my PR card in 2009 (this was done before CIT appln in 2010), I showed an absence of 1078 Days in the PR card renewal. I had initially come for landing and went away. Then I came back when 2 years were left for the PR card and stayed in Canada thereafter.

The notes in the GCMS/ FOSS were
PR CARD NOT REC'D, EXCHANGE REQ'D
DOCS SEEN: CPR 664 IMM. VALID PPT XXX
1078 DAYS ABSENT DECLARED. APPLN SIGNED XX XX 2009
ABSENT/WORK HISTORY FROM NCB ON APP
5 YEAR CARD REQUESTED.

There were other notes which were not shown due to privacy act.

My question is

1) How is the PR card renewal and absence related to the CIT application. E.g. PR Card renewal period is 2004-2009 and CIT appln period is 2006-2010.The period is different then why it matters in CIT application. What does NCB mean?

2) Now, I have again put my PR card renewal appln. This time around absence is less than 100 days. Will this help my CIT appln and get it moving again? It is 43 months now that I applied for CIT.

 

[blueshirt]

allyp please explain the things more in lay man's term as its very scaring reading your reply related to GMSC notes.

My understanding is past is past it has nothing to do with re-query and link to past PR RQ or past citizenship application withdrawal.
Once you apply your citizenship application you are treated fresh and they are only querying related to 4 years of preceding period for citizenship qualifying. I have seen people with RQ in PR but in citizenship they are not RQ again.

Response to your questions

1) How is the PR card renewal and absence related to the CIT application. E.g. PR Card renewal period is 2004-2009 and CIT appln period is 2006-2010.The period is different then why it matters in CIT application. What does NCB mean?

NCB means you are flagged as frequent traveler and applicant does not reside in Canada.

2) Now, I have again put my PR card renewal appln. This time around absence is less than 100 days. Will this help my CIT appln and get it moving again? It is 43 months now that I applied for CIT.

I think you should hire a lawyer as they can figure out better since your CIT application is in process for 43 month. If you applied for citizenship you automatically qualify for PR renewal in your case something is put in the notes which is causing delays. Only a lawyer can investigate and get it cleared by providing your physical evidence of stay in Canada. You might have to collect all your residency proofing..

 

[allyp]

allyp please explain the things more in lay man's term as its very scaring reading your reply related to GMSC notes.

My understanding is past is past it has nothing to do with re-query and link to past PR RQ or past citizenship application withdrawal.
Once you apply your citizenship application you are treated fresh and they are only querying related to 4 years of preceding period for citizenship qualifying. I have seen people with RQ in PR but in citizenship they are not RQ again.

Response to your questions

1) How is the PR card renewal and absence related to the CIT application. E.g. PR Card renewal period is 2004-2009 and CIT appln period is 2006-2010.The period is different then why it matters in CIT application. What does NCB mean?

NCB means you are flagged as frequent traveler and applicant does not reside in Canada.

2) Now, I have again put my PR card renewal appln. This time around absence is less than 100 days. Will this help my CIT appln and get it moving again? It is 43 months now that I applied for CIT.

I think you should hire a lawyer as they can figure out better since your CIT application is in process for 43 month. If you applied for citizenship you automatically qualify for PR renewal in your case something is put in the notes which is causing delays. Only a lawyer can investigate and get it cleared by providing your physical evidence of stay in Canada. You might have to collect all your residency proofing..

Hi

Initially looks scary to me too, that's why I am writing the GCMS notes as they are shown on the physical ATIP report to get other's opinion on it.

And as seen in the notes, it clearly relates to the PR card renewal and that's why I got the RQ in CIT appln. So in my case the earlier absence which was for a length of time (time after landing and time when I came back to stay in canada) shown in PR card renewal was the reason for RQ in CIT even though the 4 year period before citizenship appln shows 1095 days presence. This note got me the RQ in CIT appln.

The notes in the GCMS/ FOSS were
PR CARD NOT REC'D, EXCHANGE REQ'D
DOCS SEEN: CPR 664 IMM. VALID PPT XXX
1078 DAYS ABSENT DECLARED. APPLN SIGNED XX XX 2009 (This is the PR card renewal application signed date)
ABSENT/WORK HISTORY FROM NCB ON APP (This is guess is the PR Card renewal app)
5 YEAR CARD REQUESTED.

 

[blueshirt]

Allyp,

If you don't have a valid PR card and you applied for renewal and your PR card residency was in question then why you applied before 2 years completion. You should have waited.

Also it is never advisable to applying citizenship application when your PR card renewal is in jeopardy or in question. You should wait for your PR card to be renewed and when you get that in hand then apply for citizenship.