2012 Quebec Inland Applicants

[perkele]

I am from Quebec but I did an outland sponsorship. CIC in july-august were horrible, I could not get through even if I chose french or english.

As for receiving my client #, i send my application january17th 2012, and receive their letter april 2nd 2012. I almost lost it the week before receiving the letter when 1 agent told me that my file had been lost, that i had to resend it again with no promise to be process in urgent mode... I cry so much that day! It is all frustrating, and i know it is not the waiting, just the no answer at all...

I receive my first letter april 2nd 2012
Got the csq may 1st 2012
Got a change in ecas on july 24th 2012 from application received to in process
Received email august 7th 2012 asking photocopy of passeport

As you can see, that all the communication that I got from cic during that 7 months process


Good luck to all of you.

It's kind of apples and oranges, so we can't really compare our situations since you applied outland. Because we're all dealing with CPC-Vegreville where as you were probably with CPC Mississauga until April and then your file was transferred to the visa office of Port of Spain (I'm assuming that's what POS stands for).

But it is true that not knowing what's going on is the worst part and I can't even begin to imagine how furious I would have been if they told me that they had lost my application!

And good luck to you too

 

[mdna]

My main complain is the inconsistency of some people getting their medicare card and some not being able to. The inconsistency existing between what is written on the sponsorship guide by the Quebec government, and what actually happens when you call RAMQ frustrates me.

 

[perkele]

My main complain is the inconsistency of some people getting their medicare card and some not being able to. The inconsistency existing between what is written on the sponsorship guide by the Quebec government, and what actually happens when you call RAMQ frustrates me.

Yep, I agree.

It's the same with the MICC when it comes to the undertaking/CSQ. Remember how I posted the link in French and English for getting the undertaking/CSQ and the French one said that you needed a CIC letter saying that your applications was "recevable" (FR) so basically considered admissible and the English one straight out said the letter had to say that your application was approved. I think that it's the same thing in this case... (If you're interested, this is the link that I was talking about, see Step 1: http://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/fr/immigrer-installer/parrains-parraines/demande/demande-engagement/index.html)

 

[Azsereth]

My main complain is the inconsistency of some people getting their medicare card and some not being able to. The inconsistency existing between what is written on the sponsorship guide by the Quebec government, and what actually happens when you call RAMQ frustrates me.

I think not being able to get coverage until AIP is consistent (people who get RAMQ without it probably have some other kind of permit affecting their eligibility). You're able to when your permanent residency application is being processed (which isn't processed until stage 2). It could be worded better so as to not mislead people, but if you consider that during stage 1 only your the sponsorship application is being processed, it makes a little more sense.

It would be easy for people to abuse the system if one were automatically eligible to apply at the RAMQ after applying for PR. People with significant/expensive health issues could apply for PR, even if they know they don't have grounds to be approved. Because it takes so long to process their applications, they would have health coverage for the one or more years it takes to process their application.

 

[perkele]

It would be easy for people to abuse the system if one were automatically eligible to apply at the RAMQ after applying for PR. People with significant/expensive health issues could apply for PR, even if they know they don't have grounds to be approved. Because it takes so long to process their applications, they would have health coverage for the one or more years it takes to process their application.

You make an excellent point there. I'm sure that it's in fact to prevent those types of situations from occurring.

Similarly in the sponsorship process, you hear of all these marriages of convenience in order to gain PR, which in turn make the whole process harder for everyone, including genuine relationships, because the CIC has to screen every case to weed out the possible "fraud" cases. I'm sure that it's the same for the RAMQ since health care can be really expensive and there must have been people trying to take advantage of it which in turn has made it more complicated for others. That said, it would be too "easy" for those ill-intended people to take advantage of the system if they could receive health care straight after applying for PR.

 

[perkele]

@ Azsereth:

Oh, and congratulations for your DM!

 

[mdna]

Yep, I agree.

It's the same with the MICC when it comes to the undertaking/CSQ. Remember how I posted the link in French and English for getting the undertaking/CSQ and the French one said that you needed a CIC letter saying that your applications was "recevable" (FR) so basically considered admissible and the English one straight out said the letter had to say that your application was approved. I think that it's the same thing in this case... (If you're interested, this is the link that I was talking about, see Step 1: http://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/fr/immigrer-installer/parrains-parraines/demande/demande-engagement/index.html)

une copie de la lettre ou du courriel reçu de Citoyenneté et Immigration Canada confirmant que votre
demande de parrainage est recevable
Attention : il s’agit de la lettre ou du courriel destiné au parrain (garant) et non à la personne parrainée.
N’oubliez pas de joindre cette preuve sinon votre demande vous sera retournée.

a copy of the letter or email received from Citizenship and Immigration Canada confirming that your
sponsorship application is approved
Note: This is the letter or email addressed to the sponsor (guarantor), not to the sponsored person. If you do
not enclose this letter or email, your application will be returned to you

incredible. and i just called them and they said i have to wait until i receive the next letter or email stating i should apply for CSQ... yet CIC "emailed" us (email we never received) to undertake with quebec beginning of the month and i have been waiting ever since for them to send it to me again... oh well

 

[mdna]

ok, they're actually right on this one....

recevable (nominal)
acceptable, admissible, bon, buvable, plausible, potable, satisfaisant, valable, vraisemblable

 

[perkele]

ok, they're actually right on this one....

recevable (nominal)
acceptable, admissible, bon, buvable, plausible, potable, satisfaisant, valable, vraisemblable

Huh?

Yeah but recevable, acceptable, admissible, etc. does NOT mean "approuvé".

 

[vinlander]

At least I could get a bit money back from the tax report by making a common tax report with her...
That gave us back at least the credit for both Canada and Quebec she would had the right too and since her revenue was 0$...(that works even without a SIN by the way); just needed an explanation letter...
At least that covered the 1000$ for the private insurrance.
The thing is that she received an invoice for the "contribution au fond de santé of 100$" which sucked as she had absolutely no right to any health service in 2011 and so far in 2012.
Regarding RAMQ I understand they want to limit the risk with Fraudulent PR request.
Maybe they should offer a way to refund any RAMQ covered expense that happened from the time the PR request was received to AIP if it is accepted in the end...just an idea.
Good thing my working place group plan is covering for both of us.
But my wife is healthy and we did not need RAMQ so far (touching wood)

 

[mdna]

Huh?

Yeah but recevable, acceptable, admissible, etc. does NOT mean "approuvé".

I disagree. I think in that context the definition does mean approval/ acceptance. It's closer to "approuvé" than to "received", don't you think? The sponsor has been "acceptable" to sponsor the principal applicant, he/she has been admissible to lodge an application for sponsorship... I'd love to think otherwise do I could just send my application already!!!!

 

[perkele]

I disagree. I think in that context the definition does mean approval/ acceptance. It's closer to "approuvé" than to "received", don't you think? The sponsor has been "acceptable" to sponsor the principal applicant, he/she has been admissible to lodge an application for sponsorship... I'd love to think otherwise do I could just send my application already!!!!

Well I have the letter that I received from the CIC right in front of me and it says:

"This confirms that your application to Sponsor a Member of the Family Class has been received by Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) on 02/15/2012 on behalf of the following member(s):

XXXXXXXXXXXXX

Since you live in the province of Québec, you must submit an undertaking application to the Québec government as soon as possible [...]
Please note that you must enclose a copy of this letter with your undertaking application [...]."

And it's with this letter that we got the undertaking and CSQ.

But oh well...

 

[mdna]

but that means the sponsor has been approved.

my letter says:

Dear mdna,

This confirms that your application for permanent residence in Canada has been received by Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) on 2012/03/07.

and some general info... but nothing to go to QC

 

[Azsereth]

@ Azsereth:

Oh, and congratulations for your DM!

Thanks!

 

[perkele]

but that means the sponsor has been approved.

my letter says:

Dear mdna,

This confirms that your application for permanent residence in Canada has been received by Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) on 2012/03/07.

and some general info... but nothing to go to QC

I disagree. Because the sponsor being approved means AIP and that they would start processing the Part 2 for Permanent Residency which is not the case. Unless they have failed to notify me to these regards, I have not yet been approved as a sponsor, at least not by the federal.

The same applies to Vinlander, who has also already gone through with the CSQ/Undertaking step but still has not been approved as a sponsor, and thus still awaits AIP.