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IrinaAbdNova

Full Member
Feb 23, 2012
42
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Category........
Visa Office......
Moscow
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
Med's Done....
30/10/2011
JusticeForAll said:
Thank you very much IrinaAbdNova, I'll wait to receive a reply from them in the nest 48 hours, if not then I'll use the link you've sent. Thank you so much for the help.
Your welcome. Happy I could help. I also received a request for additional documents, my lawyer sent them an email about 10 days ago and we haven't heard anything since. They gave me 30 days to send the docs. Hopefully they will reply to our emails asap.
 

JusticeForAll

Member
Mar 23, 2012
18
1
Category........
Visa Office......
Moscow
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Nov-01-2011
AOR Received.
Jan-18-2012
File Transfer...
Jan-18-2012
Med's Done....
Nov-01-2011
I've just double checked the forms that were mailed with the application, it appears that I've made a mistake in the email and provided them a wrong one. Is it really that bad? Could this actually lead to complications or even refusal?
 

IrinaAbdNova

Full Member
Feb 23, 2012
42
0
Category........
Visa Office......
Moscow
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
Med's Done....
30/10/2011
Oh, now that's a different story. I can't tell you if they can or can not refuse your application as only the embassy can decide that. You have an urgent matter and since you can not reach the embassy as well as afford waiting for their reply (which can take god know how long) you should contact your MP. Call his/her office and explain your situation maybe they will be able to help you or advise on how to proceed further. I really don't know how else to reach them quickly. If you live near Moscow you can go to the embassy or travel there if you don't want to keep waiting or worse be rejected (if it is possible in this scenario). Anyway you need to act quick, try your MP and if he/she turns out to be unhelpful (which is a possibility) than go to Moscow.
 
Jul 27, 2012
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IrinaAbdNova said:
Congratulations on your baby=)
So you've been in the process for over a year, woow. Well at least you know your wife was approved and it is just a matter of time util her visa. They first process the applicant and when they are ready to issue the visa they request the second medical and police clearance if it is expired or abt to be, that is why they took 4 months to inform you.
Have you ever ordered the notes? Now that you know the decision was positive, you probably don't need it. If you want to know why they took so long, the notes can help, plus it is interesting to see what they did and what they wrote in there. I will be ordering it soon, I am just waiting for it to be 5 months since my docs got to Moscow.
You are with your wife and your baby, that is something =)) Not a lot of people can continuously live together during this process.

I think it is up to 3 months, so it could be faster. But you never know with them=))
Thank you, IrinaAbdNova !
Yes, I'm happy to be together with my wife and our little daughter. Myself and my wife in Russia could only rely on ourselves so I had to quit my job in Canada and move to Russia temporary ( until MOW finally finish processing my wife's case ). Honestly, I do not see how CIC could look at our case differently other than approve it sooner or later, after all 2 out 3 family members in our family are Canadians !?. It's a shame they do not have any consideration, compassion or simpathy for families like ours. By sayng that I'm not asking for any priority given to our case, just do not delay it for longer than they should, given our circumstances. Someone earlier ( I believe in this thread) mentioned that people nowadays would do whatever to get to Canada, even to have a baby in arrange marriage (unles I got it wrong) That sounds like complete noncense to me, even if think of repercussion for a "bogus" sponsor at the end. I mean think for a second of a child support, not to mention the moral aspect of the whole thing.
We did not order the notes, will do, after arrival to Canada, just curious , what took them so long.

Good luck to all of us !!!!!
 
Jul 27, 2012
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JusticeForAll said:
I've just double checked the forms that were mailed with the application, it appears that I've made a mistake in the email and provided them a wrong one. Is it really that bad? Could this actually lead to complications or even refusal?
Hi JusticeForAll,

MOW office really slow when it comes to replying our emails. I did not have an answers for some of my emails either. It's a shame that you've provided them with wrong email address. However, they could correct it if they would reply to any of your emails. I would try to explain it all to them in person. Do not know how far from Moscow you are. Calling them it's useless. Unless, you would try following. On MOW Embassy website there is info regarding After hours emergency contact information (for Canadian citizens only) see below :

The Emergency Operations Centre of the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week. An experienced officer is always available to respond to emergency calls from anywhere in the world.
Tel.: 810-800-201-41012 (toll free call from Russia only)

I called them once, during an office hours. It was approx. 6 months ago and they had a Moscow area code phone number (not a toll free like now) The number was "for Canadians in distress" . I had a question and after I got my answer I asked them to transfer me to a Visa Section. They did and I was able to talk briefly to a live person rather than to listen their answering machine. It may not work, but it worth a try. I also looked at Operational Procedures (for oversees processing) available at CIC website

cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op02-eng.pdf (can't post a link, so type " www " please before cic.gc... ) to see how they would treat cases when the applicant does not provide an additional or missing info in a given timeframe. Please refer to a Paragraph 7.4
I hope you would be able to straighten it out and you guys got a visa in a shortest time.

Good luck to all of us !!!
 

JusticeForAll

Member
Mar 23, 2012
18
1
Category........
Visa Office......
Moscow
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Nov-01-2011
AOR Received.
Jan-18-2012
File Transfer...
Jan-18-2012
Med's Done....
Nov-01-2011
Dear frustr_8_ed w/CIC,

I agree very much with your nickname :D

Thank you very much for the help and support, I'll try to call the emergency number and ask them to be transferred to the visa department. BTW, is it the visa department or immigration I should talk to? I do live far from Moscow (not in Russia), going there is not an option for us at the moment. I got 2 questions:

1) Is it possible they've requested the passport already, or do they miss some documents (although I've provided them with everything possible, I've even sent them the CSQ and nothing is to expire in the next 3 months). When they send a passport request, do they give 60 days?

2) Why they don't send us a letter by regular mail? They used to do it before.

Many thanks
 

Donhollio

Full Member
Jun 21, 2011
48
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Category........
Visa Office......
Moscow
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Nov. 2010
File Transfer...
June 2010
Med's Request
Recieved Feb 1 2011
Med's Done....
2nd medical completed 2012
Interview........
none
Passport Req..
JULY 2012
VISA ISSUED...
August 2012
LANDED..........
Sept 2012 Only 22 months, thanks for the quick work CIC :(
All the correspondence my girl had was by email. my friends wife had her request for passport postal letter lost in the Ukraine postal service. he contacted his MP and they found out for him that it was sent out months before. 12 months after she arrived to Canada, they letter showed up. :-[ So I would insist on email correspondence.
 
Jul 27, 2012
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JusticeForAll said:
Dear frustr_8_ed w/CIC,

I agree very much with your nickname :D

Thank you very much for the help and support, I'll try to call the emergency number and ask them to be transferred to the visa department. BTW, is it the visa department or immigration I should talk to? I do live far from Moscow (not in Russia), going there is not an option for us at the moment. I got 2 questions:

1) Is it possible they've requested the passport already, or do they miss some documents (although I've provided them with everything possible, I've even sent them the CSQ and nothing is to expire in the next 3 months). When they send a passport request, do they give 60 days?

2) Why they don't send us a letter by regular mail? They used to do it before.

Many thanks
Hi JusticeForAll,

When I called them, I believe I asked them to be transferred to a Visa Section.
It is really hard to guess if they've sent anything to you.
Recently, I read on one of the russian forums that a person from Russia was given 45 days (by MOW office) to submit her passport along with updated police certificates from Russia and Kazakstan (she used to live there). That's all after she had an interview in May 2012 and had a second medical in June 2012. BTW all these instructions she received by email.

My wife received everything by email, except last time, when a Mow embassy employee (not sure if it was an immigration officer or a secretary) called her cell phone. On the phone she let my wife know about new medical forms they were going to mail us and double checked our mailing address.

As far as I understand you are sponsoring to a province of Quebec, not sure whether MOW office processes different cases in exactly the same way. I believe a lot depends on a visa officer. the way he/she assess' the evidences in your file, workload, etc.

I wish you to get in touch with them ASAP and get a positive decision soon !
 

JusticeForAll

Member
Mar 23, 2012
18
1
Category........
Visa Office......
Moscow
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Nov-01-2011
AOR Received.
Jan-18-2012
File Transfer...
Jan-18-2012
Med's Done....
Nov-01-2011
Hi Guys,

So FINALLY, this is the reply from them:

This refers to your application for permanent residence. In order to continue processing your case, we require the documents listed below. Otherwise, we are unable to process your application for permanent residence in Canada.

If the validity of your current travel passports is less than 1 year, you should apply for new travel passports now. Every applicant, including children, requires their own passports.

1. Proof of your sponsor’s intention to resume residency in Canada (including previous employment in Canada, any ties that the sponsor has maintained with Canada, etc.)

2. Your sponsor must provide full details of previous divorce judgment from previous spouse, including copy of judgement and of any separation agreement (photocopy with certified translation to English or French – if applicable)

If we do not receive the requested documents within 60 days from the date of this request, we may interpret this as a lack of interest to immigrate to Canada. Your case may be closed according to subsection 16(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act.


I don't understand this. I've mailed all above documents with the original application. I was already APPROVED as a sponsor. Why are they asking me to provide it again?

Also, how do I show them an intention to move back to Canada? I've sent them a letter explaining topic by topic, that I don't have any ties with the country I live in except for my wife, which will be travelling with me to Canada as soon as she is approved. I've also sent job and house rental search pages and a signed letter from my brother (permanent resident in Canada) confirming that I will stay with him until I find a place to live and a job.

So what do I do now. Do I resubmit them visa email all the requested docs? Or by regular mail?

Thank you guys for all the help and support, let's hope they finally approve us.
 

I.N

Hero Member
Feb 5, 2012
489
7
Category........
Visa Office......
Bucharest
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
21 07 2011
Doc's Request.
19 10 2011
AOR Received.
14 11 2011
File Transfer...
08 11 2011
Med's Request
new chest x-ray requested for the medical extension on 20 August
Med's Done....
23 06 2011
Interview........
23 July 2012
Passport Req..
9 October 2012
VISA ISSUED...
16 October 2012
LANDED..........
2 November 2012
Hello,

I think its a good news that you recieved news from your VO, that it means they are working on your file.

I suggest you to send them all this documents once again, and I think the docs should be send in by regular mail, but to be sure write them an email and ask them, they know better than anyone how these docs should be send.

My VO asked me docs once and I asked my VO how should I send this docs, and they responded me fast. In the end for me it was ok to send them by email.

Wish you good luck!
 

JusticeForAll

Member
Mar 23, 2012
18
1
Category........
Visa Office......
Moscow
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Nov-01-2011
AOR Received.
Jan-18-2012
File Transfer...
Jan-18-2012
Med's Done....
Nov-01-2011
But it's still unclear as for why would they request documents that were already mailed with the original application?

They are requesting documents based on which I was already approved to be a sponsor!!!

This is really doesn't make any sense to me. Any ways, I've emailed them all required docs and asked if it's sufficient, let's see what they say this time.
 

I.N

Hero Member
Feb 5, 2012
489
7
Category........
Visa Office......
Bucharest
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
21 07 2011
Doc's Request.
19 10 2011
AOR Received.
14 11 2011
File Transfer...
08 11 2011
Med's Request
new chest x-ray requested for the medical extension on 20 August
Med's Done....
23 06 2011
Interview........
23 July 2012
Passport Req..
9 October 2012
VISA ISSUED...
16 October 2012
LANDED..........
2 November 2012
JusticeForAll said:
But it's still unclear as for why would they request documents that were already mailed with the original application?

They are requesting documents based on which I was already approved to be a sponsor!!!

This is really doesn't make any sense to me. Any ways, I've emailed them all required docs and asked if it's sufficient, let's see what they say this time.
CIC its a real mystery for all of us.

No one realy knows how they are working...each case its different and that dealys our files.

IN my case I was requested for a chest x-ray for my medical extension valability, I did it last week and its still in Bucharest, they will send it to London only at the end of this week, by the time it arrives there by the time when someone will open the envelope by the time when my VO will be updated with the result it could pass God know how long.... :-\

So, every case its different and every VO has its own rules and demands.
 

Beautiful BC

Newbie
Sep 5, 2012
6
0
Hi,
I've just found this forum and decided to join. Here is my statistics so far (can't find the tool how to post the below details so that they would always appear in the left column under my name - may be somebody can advise? thanks in advance):

- 1st Medical: Aug.2011
- Application received in Missisuaga: Sep. 2011
- Sponsor approved in Missisauga: Nov.2011
- Application transfered/received in Moscow: Dec.2011
- Online Notification that they started to process my application: Mar.2012 (3 months in queue)
- Additional medical for my daughter: May 2012
- Second additional medical for my daughter: Aug.2012 (since the 1st one was expired)

Looking forward to cooperation!
 

Donhollio

Full Member
Jun 21, 2011
48
0
Category........
Visa Office......
Moscow
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Nov. 2010
File Transfer...
June 2010
Med's Request
Recieved Feb 1 2011
Med's Done....
2nd medical completed 2012
Interview........
none
Passport Req..
JULY 2012
VISA ISSUED...
August 2012
LANDED..........
Sept 2012 Only 22 months, thanks for the quick work CIC :(
At the top of this page click on 'profile' Then on the left side of your screen, you will see a box ( modify profile) with different settings in it. Click on ''Forum Profile Information".
From there you can add in the dates of your CIC sponsorship.
 

JusticeForAll

Member
Mar 23, 2012
18
1
Category........
Visa Office......
Moscow
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Nov-01-2011
AOR Received.
Jan-18-2012
File Transfer...
Jan-18-2012
Med's Done....
Nov-01-2011
Ok Guys,

So, after submitting all the documents, this is the response we get (made me so mad I lost my appetite)!!!!!!!!!:


This refers to your application for permanent residence in Canada.

Subsection 12(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act states that a foreign national may be selected as a member of the family class on the basis of their relationship as the spouse, common-law partner, child, parent or other prescribed family member of a Canadian citizen or permanent resident.

Section 120 of the Regulations states that for the purposes of Part 5 of the Regulations,

(a) a permanent resident visa shall not be issued to a foreign national who makes an application as a member of the family class or to their accompanying family members unless a sponsorship undertaking in respect of the foreign national and those family members is in effect, and

(b) a foreign national who makes an application as a member of the family class and their accompanying family members shall not become permanent residents unless a sponsorship undertaking in respect of the foreign national and those family members is in effect and the sponsor who gave that undertaking still meets the requirements of section 133 and, if applicable, section 137.

Subsection 133(1)(a) of the Regulations states (in part) that a sponsorship application shall only be approved by an officer if, on the day on which the application was filed and from that day until the day a decision is made with respect to the application, there is evidence that the sponsor is a sponsor as described in Section 130.

Subsection 130(2) states that a sponsor who is a Canadian citizen and does not reside in Canada may sponsor an application referred to in subsection (1) by their spouse, common-law partner, conjugal partner or dependent child who has no dependent children if the sponsor will reside in Canada when the applicant becomes a permanent resident.

Your sponsor [NAME], citizen of Canada, has been residing outside of Canada since at least August 2010. As evidence of his intention to return to Canada he submitted a letter of support from his brother in Canada and his own internet search results for accommodation and job in Canada. As explanation of his residing outside Canada he stated that the only reason is because he waits for you to receive the visa to Canada. However, I noted that your sponsor left Canada several months before he met you. I also noted that he has no ties to Canada while he is gainfully employed in [Country of current residence] since July 2011. Therefore, your sponsor’s explanation and internet search results are not sufficient evidence to support his statement that your sponsor and you will reside in Canada when you would become a permanent resident.

*******Ok so seriously, WHAT ELSE CAN I PROVIDE in order to prove that we're going to Canada as soon as the visa is issued???? Why would we go through the whole process, without the intention of living in Canada??? Where's the logic???? So if I'm currently working in order to support my wife, I'm not married to my job, it's only until she get's the green light and we're outta here. They are making their point, that I've met my wife after I arrived to the country of my current residence. WELL YEAH!!! I WAS VISITING MY PARENTS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS and met my wife, and only BECAUSE OF HER I stayed here until we go back together. SERIOUSLY, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THESE PEOPLE????

As a result, based on the information available on your file, I am not satisfied that these reasons would commit your sponsor to return to Canada when you become a permanent resident. Accordingly he does not meet the requirements of subsections 130(2) of the Regulations.



Section 117(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act Regulations, 2002 defines who is a member of the family class. A foreign national is a member of the family class if, with respect to a sponsor, the foreign national is (a) the sponsor’s spouse, common-law partner or conjugal partner.

Section 4(1) of the Regulations states that, for the purpose of these regulations, no foreign national shall be considered a spouse, a common-law partner or a conjugal partner of a person if (a) the marriage was entered into primarily for the purpose of acquiring any status or privilege under the Act or if (b) the marriage, common-law partnership or conjugal partnership is not genuine.



You provided a number of photos which I consider to be limited proof of relationship with your sponsor which do not support the history of your relationship. You stated that you met online, that you had trip(s) together, that you are cohabiting with your sponsor, etc. but you did not submit sufficient evidence.

I think this is really crazy!!!!!!!!!!! We've provided so much fotos, marriage certificate, church certificate of marriage, that anyone would understand that we are a husband a wife. We have even MORE fotos now that we can submit.

As a result, based on the information available on file, I am not satisfied this is a genuine relationship or was not entered into primarily in order to obtain status under the Act.

By this letter, you are given thirty (30) days in which to present any documentation that would address our concerns mentioned above. If we do not receive any documentation within 30 days of the date of this letter, your application will be assessed on the basis of the information already before the officer and could result in the refusal of your application.

Guys, I really need your help, in order to clear this mess out, please advise on what should be done here, because it is getting obvious to me, that these people have something against us for no reason, and are ignoring OBVIOUS facts