14 month old police certificate

[nick.rwth]

Hi there. I never spent any money on proof of funds, simply printed pdf files of my Canadian bank statements (and submitted it as is).
Visa was approved.

When I got my change of status from Worker to Visitor in application form the reason for a visitor request was "Plan to apply for PR and search for a job"

I know that there is always some unwritten legal backdoors in any system. When you cannot, but at some point you can do something if you have specific reasons for that.

The only question regarding police certificated I have:

1) If you from Kuwait you don't need police certificates until CIC request them.
2) if you submitted request for police record, and have evidence of that. In such case you can only provide evidence that you requested letter.
Nobody will even ask for translation and stuff like that.
3) Taking into account all previous bad experience I don't want to risk on spending any more money. I am only willing to submit those documents as well as translations when those documents the last that needed.
4) On my previous experience: not always you have to follow at 100% of specific rule or regulation, just make sure 70-80% is correct and apply.
5) I need to apply for a certificates from 3 different countries. That is why I am a bit irritated.

ITA is not by any means a guarantee of PR.

I don't think CIC accepts self-translation of police certificates. Just out of curiosity, do you think the proof of funds is stupid, too?

 

[nick.rwth]

Regarding proof of funds, all my money funds and property for 100% is in Canada.
No need to make any certificated and stuff like that.
Just use online pdf statements as proof of funds.

 

[katja2684]

Hi there. I never spent any money on proof of funds, simply printed pdf files of my Canadian bank statements (and submitted it as is).
Visa was approved.

Got you thanks. I've read on some of these threads that CIC asks you to provide financial profile 6 months backwards and wasn't sure if online statements are good enough (I have my funds at a Canadian bank too).

 

[nick.rwth]

Got you thanks. I've read on some of these threads that CIC asks you to provide financial profile 6 months backwards and wasn't sure if online statements are good enough (I have my funds at a Canadian bank too).

You are welcome ;D

 

[nick.rwth]

I just don't know why you keep banging on about this. You're making it a much bigger deal than it is.

For starters, do you even have an ITA? If you don't, then stop stressing about it. You don't need the certificates until you get one, and certainly the German one will be issued within the timeframe you have to complete the application.

If you have an ITA (or reason to believe that you will be issued one at the next draw), then just get the damn police certificates and be done with it, and supply the proper certified translation as they require. Sure, ITA does not mean PR, but your chances are excellent provided you didn't lie in you EE profile and you are not ineligible due to having a criminal record.

In my experience, the opposite is true. You want to eliminate as many reasons as possible for CIC to delay or refuse your application. The best policy is always a "decision-ready" application, and an out-of-date police certificate or a home-made translation is certainly not going to help that.

Getting PR in Canada can be a life-changing event, and it is foolish to risk that because you are too stingy to apply for another police clearance, or - even worse - you're inclined to use your application to teach them a lesson about what you think a proper process should look like.

Currently I have 474 points with my common law.
If I would be on my own I would have 503 points.
I have all reasons to worry as I will need to spend money on something that I already purchased. Nothing else.
If it would cost 10$ I would not even ask that question. However 150$ seems to be too big amount.

 

[nick.rwth]

you didn't lie in you EE profile and you are not ineligible due to having a criminal record.

I already have police certificate which was submitted for FSW programm.
Police certificate was given 2 month after I left issuing country, when I was already in Canada.

I clearly understand no point of requesting certificate for the person who already have old certificate.

I could agree on that rule if I would be living and Germany during any time after 1st certificate.
However it is not a case.


Problem is clearly that rules are absolutely the same for those who not in Canada and for those who already in Canada.

Where is the privilege and advantage of already living in Canada?
Why I have to be under same rules as those who is not living here?

 

[Scorpiano]

I have the same problem!! I submitted my application under the CEC and was returned back to me as the Caps had been reached! I am now 459 points and waiting for my ECA, so i had to start again renewing all my PCC i had already finalized from 4 months ago!!!!!

 

[Martin29]

I came to Canada in November 2013, upon my 1st application to FSW I requested German police certificate in January 2014.
All this time I was in Canada.

Can I use police certificate for express entry from January 2014.
I have no means to request another certificate. Also it is hugely expensive for translation and certificate itself.

Please advice

If you are in Canada from Nov 2013 and you got police clearance certificates in Jan 2014 then I think you can use it.Unless you never went out of Canada(Especially Germany).They demand recent police clearance certificates to make sure that you didn't do any crime recently in that country after receiving it.If you are in Canada and never went to Germany during this period then you cannot do any crime in Germany.So keep the old one and keep a letter informing the reason for keeping the old PCC.

From Nov 2013 you are in Canada & till Jan 2014 you don't have any criminal records in Germany.So its clear that you don't have any criminal records in Germany till date.

If you cannot provide a PCC because of a genuine reason you should just keep a letter informing the reason.They will accept it.So you have a PCC so no need to worry.

The worst case they may ask you for a new PCC.Then get one.They wont reject the application because of that.

 

[lotusEsp]

If you are in Canada from Nov 2013 and you got police clearance certificates in Jan 2014 then I think you can use it.Unless you never went out of Canada(Especially Germany).They demand recent police clearance certificates to make sure that you didn't do any crime recently in that country after receiving it.If you are in Canada and never went to Germany during this period then you cannot do any crime in Germany.So keep the old one and keep a letter informing the reason for keeping the old PCC.

Do you know this for a fact? Or are you trying to apply common sense to a situation where it may not apply? If you dont know for sure, it can have huge implications on someones life if you give them incorrect advice

There is just one point to consider here:

Do you want to risk having your PR rejected because you couldn't/wouldn't read or follow simple rules and try to make up your own to fit with what you think the process should be?
You dont set your own questions in an exam if you dont like the ones you've been set by the examiner

I also suspect this thread is largely trolling just to vent the frustration at the system. No-one would be stupid enough to intentionally submit an incorrect application just to try and prove a point, especially when there are many threads on here discussing rejected applications for minor mistakes.

 

[Martin29]

I know because I read on CIC website long back when I applied.It was given if you cannot provide a PCC keep a letter stating the reason.I also applied with an old PCC because my application got delayed by postal strike.

I would recommend getting new PCC if its just financial loss.For my case my PCC was from middle east and most of the govt staff there speaks only Arabic and communication with them was hard.

 

[nick.rwth]

Do you know this for a fact? Or are you trying to apply common sense to a situation where it may not apply? If you dont know for sure, it can have huge implications on someones life if you give them incorrect advice

There is just one point to consider here:

Do you want to risk having your PR rejected because you couldn't/wouldn't read or follow simple rules and try to make up your own to fit with what you think the process should be?
You dont set your own questions in an exam if you dont like the ones you've been set by the examiner

I also suspect this thread is largely trolling just to vent the frustration at the system. No-one would be stupid enough to intentionally submit an incorrect application just to try and prove a point, especially when there are many threads on here discussing rejected applications for minor mistakes.

Thanks for the info.

I still have to get 2 other police certificates for Belguim and Ukraine as I never had those one.
I will also call cic to make sure that old certificate can be used now, and if needed on later stage I can provide a new one.

For me it is not a problem to submit new German certificate on a stage of medical request.

Since November 2013 I am In Canada and never left country even for a day.
This is my main point.

 

[traxton]

Thanks for the info.

I still have to get 2 other police certificates for Belguim and Ukraine as I never had those one.
I will also call cic to make sure that old certificate can be used now, and if needed on later stage I can provide a new one.

For me it is not a problem to submit new German certificate on a stage of medical request.

Since November 2013 I am In Canada and never left country even for a day.
This is my main point.

Just submit your PR application with your older police certificate with an explanation cover letter that you have not left Canada since XX month XX year. If CIC requires a new police certificate, they will send you an email requesting for a new one. It's not as if they are going to reject you because you sent old police certificates. You have nothing to lose at this point, only time, i.e. if CIC ask you for updated police cert then you have to apply and wait to receive it and send it to CIC again.

 

[britinvancouver]

I have to get another police certificate from the UK too. I also had to pay $295 for IELTS when I'm English, so everyone has fees they have to pay for which you just have to bite the bullet and realise why you want to live in Canada and the benefits it will give you.

Good luck with your application!

 

[nick.rwth]

I have to get another police certificate from the UK too. I also had to pay $295 for IELTS when I'm English, so everyone has fees they have to pay for which you just have to bite the bullet and realise why you want to live in Canada and the benefits it will give you.

Good luck with your application!

WTF it must be a joke.
Take CELPIP it should be cheaper. However I have no idea for sure.
Many people are offended that PCC is expiring.

In logic once you left the country and get certificate, what can possibly be a justification for a new one.
In addition that I have PhD I have to pass all those humiliating checks.

Recently I got US visa and was waiting for it for 1 month as my application was under review due to advanced chemistry background.
I got US visa for only 1 year. and my common law for 10 years.

this is completely humiliating fact that checks, certificates and other BS is needed.

 

[yjrsmas]

I came to Canada in November 2013, upon my 1st application to FSW I requested German police certificate in January 2014.
All this time I was in Canada.

Can I use police certificate for express entry from January 2014.
I have no means to request another certificate. Also it is hugely expensive for translation and certificate itself.

Please advice

you can submit the application with your old certificate while in the cov letter stating that you are trying to get an updated version at the same time. I did the same and they approved my application without asking me to send the new certificate. My case might be a little bit different than yours, as I am a fed govt employee, but it certainly won't hurt you, and in some cases, that is the only option to catch the 30 day deadline.