1122 Post Application ON July 2011 Lets Share

[TJ CAN]

the problem with student visa is that it doesnt allow a dependent with you (as far as i know thats the new rule). it means if you go on student visa, your wife or children cannot join you. plus there is no guarantee that after student visa you will get PR. rules can change anytime.

with quebec one has to learn french but that too very basic french. with a one month course you can easily learn basic french. and you can easily get PR without much hassle.

How they check your french ability? do they require any certificate for french language like IELTS?

 

[alexchristi]

How they check your french ability? do they require any certificate for french language like IELTS?

Yes there is a test called TEF

 

[stranger4ever]

TEF is a test that has almost the same difficulty as IELTS and I do not recommend to take that if you are at the beginner stage in French Language. Check in your country if Alliance Francise exists and enroll in taking the TEFAQ examination. The TEFAQ examination is designed only for the Immigration purpose to Quebec. Is only listening and speaking. Points system are different than IELTS but is much easier to reach a high score.

 

[alexchristi]

TEF is a test that has almost the same difficulty as IELTS and I do not recommend to take that if you are at the beginner stage in French Language. Check in your country if Alliance Francise exists and enroll in taking the TEFAQ examination. The TEFAQ examination is designed only for the Immigration purpose to Quebec. Is only listening and speaking. Points system are different than IELTS but is much easier to reach a high score.

As far as I know if applying on FSW the test should be IELTS and TEF.
In the instructions that I had for VO specific instructions it was mentioned that only these 2 tests are recognized.
Maybe it changed since, I really tried to find those VO instructions but I can't find them.

 

[scylla]

As far as I know if applying on FSW the test should be IELTS and TEF.
In the instructions that I had for VO specific instructions it was mentioned that only these 2 tests are recognized.
Maybe it changed since, I really tried to find those VO instructions but I can't find them.

You're right. For FSW, only TEF is accepted. See:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/language-testing.asp

 

[talk2melas]

I think he's talking about QSW, and in that case, they take either of the two or even more.
To speed up the processing of your application, enclose with it an attestation for assessing french language knowledge – either a
Test d’évaluation du français adapté pour le Québec (TEFaQ) or a Test de connaissance du français pour le Québec (TCFQ). You
may also submit the results of any of the following tests: the Diplome d’études en langue française (DELF), the Diplome approfondi
de la langue française (DALF), the Test de connaissance de français (TCF) or the Test d’évaluation du français (TEF). If you choose
the TCF or TEF, you must enclose the results of both the compulsory test and the optional test.

 

[nish]

can someone explain steps to apply for qubec in simple words....and also how the process is different from normal FSW process.

everyone please share...its better to try for something else than waiting for 1 year. plus we all have all the docs ready with us. if we can gain enough knowledge on quebec, we can be ready to apply by the time our packages reach u.

so please do share your knowledge about Qubec.

 

[talk2melas]

Hey Nish, if you go to www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca, you will get all the necessary information.
You can do the online test to see if you qualify.Then if you qualify, you download the application for and appendices, fill it, pay the fees and send.Most occupations are taken [more than in FSW] and some are given priority e.g Nursing.Knowledge of French is important [it will give you maximum point for language] but if you have IELTS, it may suffice initially.But, you can enroll in French lessons and include the receipt in your application to indication you've started learning the language and upon completion, you will send the test results.

Sending complete application initially will ensure they process your application accordingly, else there will be delay.If your application is deemed complete and you meet their criteria, you may be called for an interview after which you may be given the CSQ.Alternatively, after the interview you can be told to supply any missing/additional documents to support some claim(s) or you will be told outright you don't meet their criteria.
When/if you get the CSQ, you can now proceed with the federal level in which you fill the form for permanent residence and send to the visa office that serve your area of residence.The next thing is to do medicals [upon request by the VO, send your passport and get your visa.
To get the CSQ can take up to 3-6months.Interview is waived for some folks.federal stage can take btw 6-14months.Yo don't have to show POF. Acceptable point depends on whether you are single or married.If single, 56 or so can qualify someone but a married applicant will be expected to have up to 64 or so.Having children is a plus, also having relations in Quebec.

 

[Canuckpitman]

Hello Future Canadians.

Just a worthwhile read ( and a reality check ) while waiting for your PERs, NERs and what not.

AN IMMIGRANT'S STRUGGLES IN CANADA BY K.M. NASIR (May 26, 2011)

Canada is a country with no jobs for new immigrants, regardless of however suitably qualified they are, young or senior. Even the simple blue-collar jobs are hard to find. But most of the immigrants are highly educated in their respective fields. They have migrated to Canada with the hope of being able to land at least something close to their white-collar professions left behind. They did not spend their time and money to do menial or manual works in Canada. They had never been prepared for such works for which vocationally trained skilled labour would have been enough. The result, at least in short term, has been disastrous for the new immigrants, leaving them with a sense of disorienting trauma, a deep indelible scar on their mental psyche.

The situation in the neighboring United States is totally different. Jobs are available there for all categories of people — ordinary unskilled to skilled labour or experienced professionals. The United States does not require advanced education to immigrate there. Unfortunately, that is not so with regard to Canadian immigrants.

Experience is indeed bitter for them, more intensely so for those who, having been drawn into applying for migration by the rosy picture of Canadian life on the Citizenship and Immigration Canada website, are now struggling with the shattering challenges of new immigrant life. Skilled in different fields, they, to their shock and dismay, find that there are no jobs for them, even remotely similar, let alone nearly similar, to the ones they had just left behind, and that they would have to remain jobless for an excruciatingly painful and indefinite period of time.

No jobs, even to survive, let alone succeed, although that was the dream with which they first applied and then, after three or more years of waiting, landed — that dream sweetly deepened by the prospects of the vast land (as it looked on the map) and its vast resources, vast health care, vast opportunities (as they were portrayed on the government website), and so on.

And no jobs means no proper health care for them. Yes, the doctor's consultation is free, but not the medicine — neither the over-the-counter nor the prescription drugs. And the dental care and the eye care? Those are a far cry. Did Canada produce dentists to make dental care unaffordable to the poor innocent patients with no jobs in Canada? Even in the case of simple cleaning or extraction, dentists ask the patients to come back again and again instead of just performing the procedure, simple as it is, the first time the patients walk in. Isn't a dubious tactic to make money? Just for seeing the patient the first time he or she walks in (with no treatment whatsoever yet), he or she is charged a formidable fee. Dentists in China, India, Malaysia, Singapore, Africa, the Arab world and beyond do the treatment right away for an amazingly cheaper price without the patients having to go to see them again and again. Can't Canada be more kind and cordial and live up to its website publicity by advising her dentists to provide the treatment in an easy, fast and affordable manner?

Nostalgia for the old home and pessimism about the new home start eating into the new immigrants' vitals. Ironic. The Canadian dream initially prompted them to leave behind so much of their material links as well as emotional ties and spiritual connections. Now, neither can they go back nor find it easy to continue to stay in Canada. A painful dilemma indeed.

Following at least six months to two years of frantic job searching, the new immigrants (doctors, engineers, professors, bankers, business executives) are forced to take up ordinary low-paid jobs as factory workers, security guards, waiters or in supermarkets, call centres or convenience stores, which lead to their low morale and low self-esteem. Even such works — to the detriment of both health and mind — are sometimes hard to find. This is really heartbreaking as it is demoralizing at the same time leaving them in a state of despair and despondency.

O Canada, won't you let us sing you the anthem with “full-throated ease” and pour our full heart in profuse strains, as we would like to? Why did you open your doors when you cannot provide jobs commensurate with the skills and expertise of the new immigrants, young or old? They applied for permanent resident status in the hope that they would find a better life here, but then they are left stranded on their own with hardly any opportunities. Very few knew about this hard reality as they launched their application process only to discover later that the grass was not that green on the other side.

Canada remains depressing for new immigrants especially for the educated. Until recognition is given to them by creating ample opportunities for jobs it would remain so — a shattered dream, a broken glass. I would like to long for Canada to be a fulfilling dream for me as well as the many others who like me.

You can email your letter to editor @ canadianimmigrant.ca. Please include Letters to the Editor as your subject line and ensure your letter is in the body of the email (no attachments please).

 

[Phil Chen]

Phil! I got my PER. ;D

Congras, alaindoctom, sorry for replying lately as I have been busying these days.....
Now we both step forward to Canada..however, the process of getting visa in your VO is always faster than mine......

 

[alaindotcom]

Hello Future Canadians.

Just a worthwhile read ( and a reality check ) while waiting for your PERs, NERs and what not.

AN IMMIGRANT'S STRUGGLES IN CANADA BY K.M. NASIR (May 26, 2011)

Canada is a country with no jobs for new immigrants, regardless...

The writer is obviously bitter about his own experience. Statistics and recognized socio-economic development indices will belie most of the claims made in the piece. And the comparison to the US is ill-informed. In reality, the US unemployment and underemployment rates are way higher than Canada's. Immigrants should not expect Canada to be the panacea to all their problems. One must have a strategy. Getting into Canada is only the start of the process. There are more than enough advice from the CIC website and the various provincial settlement organizations about not being able to get the job that you want at first. You have to work your way back to into your desired profession. And there are ways to do that. If one is busy complaining rather than working out his own strategy, he will surely miss out on what Canada has to offer.

 

[alaindotcom]

Congras, alaindoctom, sorry for replying lately as I have been busying these days.....
Now we both step forward to Canada..however, the process of getting visa in your VO is always faster than mine......

No worries, Phil. I promised you I'd tell you if I get my PER. I did! I hope Manila VO lives up to its image as the fastest VO to process FSW applicants. Whoever gets to Canada first pays for the beer. ;D

 

[hey_rigky]

i know one of close friend who bit struggled for 5 months to find a job and that too is not what he studied for. but as we know, we go there to find a dream land. its very much in every immigrants picture of a dream country. few struggles and few find jobs out there to match their potentials. rest struggle is there. Mind one thing, when u want o immigrate any country ---> be prepared to do any job, mind it i said any job, then on ly u will survive and appreciate. make up ur mind first. because u will have shocks including culture shock, working profile, working timings etc.

 

[hey_rigky]

The writer is obviously bitter about his own experience. Statistics and recognized socio-economic development indices will belie most of the claims made in the piece. And the comparison to the US is ill-informed. In reality, the US unemployment and underemployment rates are way higher than Canada's. Immigrants should not expect Canada to be the panacea to all their problems. One must have a strategy. Getting into Canada is only the start of the process. There are more than enough advice from the CIC website and the various provincial settlement organizations about not being able to get the job that you want at first. You have to work your way back to into your desired profession. And there are ways to do that. If one is busy complaining rather than working out his own strategy, he will surely miss out on what Canada has to offer.

Its not about moaning mate.. it does show a reality pic. in north america, they wont recognise ur overseas education and experience as they will do for the canadian education and work experience. you might need to assess ur education there in canada before you could even apply or find any proper job aimed at ur potential. You will be happy if they needed you. they will only ask u for job if u have something they need not some u want to give.

 

[alaindotcom]

Its not about moaning mate.. it does show a reality pic. in north america, they wont recognise ur overseas education and experience as they will do for the canadian education and work experience. you might need to assess ur education there in canada before you could even apply or find any proper job aimed at ur potential. You will be happy if they needed you. they will only ask u for job if u have something they need not some u want to give.

That is exactly what I am talking about. All applicants for immigration to Canada should know the challenges even before they pick up their FSW application form. I am well aware of the fact that I will not be a white collar worker if and when I land in Canada. That is why I already made a plan to bridge my skills and experience with those that Canadian employers are looking for. For me, it means going back to school to take up bridge programs. For the meantime, I am ready to be a dishwasher if I have to. I know I will work my way back to the profession that I want in due time. Canada has different standards for my profession. They are not necessarily better than those of the country I come from. But it's their country to run. By all means, as an immigrant, I need to rise up to the challenge and do whatever it takes to meet those standards. I leave the work up to me, not to the CIC and not to the Canadian government.

I am not disputing the fact that disillusionment seems to be the reality for some. But Canada made no promises that things are going to be easy. Unlike what was claimed in the piece, Canada's settlement websites already warn us that we may have to take survival jobs at first. So why complain about something that we were already told to expect?

There are also a lot of literature about the Canadian healthcare system. Informative videos are available on the settlement websites. They tell the story of a first rate healthcare system, and for the most part they are right about it, especially when compared to the healthcare systems of the countries where most immigrants come from. But they also say that the state does not cover the cost of prescription medicines, and dental care. There are no surprises there.

I am sure there are people who have so far failed to integrate successfully within the Canadian labor force and society in general. The system has not worked much for some and I sincerely hope they get all the help that they need. But think about these: There is a reason why Canada is high up on the Human Development Index, among the most developed nations of the world. There is a reason why it has a lower unemployment rate than most first world countries, including the US and much of the Eurozone. And there is a reason why, despite these horror stories, there are hundreds of us in this forum (and presumably thousands more outside) who are knocking on the gates of Canada for a slice of the opportunity to have better lives.