1122 Post Application ON July 2011 Lets Share

[Mike Stephens]

i see your point and agree,

i am ok with a collective letter, while i will have my consultant send a letter as well. it is in her best interest too as she has other clients who would be refused like me. drafting a letter is better than refunding sevral thousand dollars.

I really think that both of us have used the same consultant according to the information received from my consultant. Momad, can you please send me your contact number or e mall, so i can get in touch with you. my e mail address is bdm@epixandplans.com

 

[hey_rigky]

Sorry i don't agree - you need to be in a better position to comment on the economy here before you can comment on immigration, both elements go hand in hand as is the case for any country. The UK government has actually been known for being one of the most relaxed on immigration particulary over the past 10 years, but there is a line and i have to say we are reaching it here, when unemployment levels start rising you know immigration should fall, we can't support everyone if that makes sense.

its nothing to do with employment dude. when locals dont work then u need someone to come in. and in uk more ppl are on benefits than on jobs. there are families which are on benefits since early 50s. and i am not talking about few families. i am talking about mass. moreover conservatives are known for their immigration policy, be it in the 80s and 90s or be it in mid 2005.

they are always against immigration. if they think they are on the line then stop immigration from europe. whatever number reached in 50 years from other countries than EU, they are still less what ever came to UK from poland, lithuania, bulgaria, romania and countries which joined EU in 2004.

Conservatives never blamed on EU but they always criticised ppl from rest of the globe.
Thanks

 

[richardo3]

its nothing to do with employment dude. when locals dont work then u need someone to come in. and in uk more ppl are on benefits than on jobs. there are families which are on benefits since early 50s. and i am not talking about few families. i am talking about mass. moreover conservatives are known for their immigration policy, be it in the 80s and 90s or be it in mid 2005.

they are always against immigration. if they think they are on the line then stop immigration from europe. whatever number reached in 50 years from other countries than EU, they are still less what ever came to UK from poland, lithuania, bulgaria, romania and countries which joined EU in 2004.

Conservatives never blamed on EU but they always criticised ppl from rest of the globe.
Thanks

Firstly there isn't more on benefits than employment that would be crazy and in 2005 we had a Labour Government, look up Tony Blair

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2005

But i would agree with you on the EU point.... And right now i am against immigration here as i belive you need and infrastructure built in a certian order to contain the poeple you have and i think this structure is currently at its capacity.

 

[hey_rigky]

Firstly there isn't more on benefits than employment that would be crazy and in 2005 we had a Labour Government, look up Tony Blair

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2005

But i would agree with you on the EU point.... And right now i am against immigration here as i belive you need and infrastructure built in a certian order to contain the poeple you have and i think this structure is currently at its capacity.

contain EU and Central Africa as they eat up banefits.. Rest asian , i feel they do get visa/ work restriction on visa. and it takes atleast 5 yrs to settle and claim any benefit but they do pay all taxes as others,and i know ppl from somalia and nigeria and few more countries where ppl do come and social problems are high and dry. i am not against any race here but immigration does have good and bad effects and there are many in moth cases.

 

[momad]

Momad, Can you PM me your contact number. I'm from the same country as yours. I tried to PM you, but appears impossible.

771188135

i will not be available though until thursday.

 

[momad]

guys,

lets pull back and take it a little slow.

we first have to get an official rejection notice, while i am not convinced that the email is an official communique - others may have a different opinion - this is just my suggestion.

during this time we can begin drafts.

i may know someone who may be willing to help draft a good letter. this person is not a lawyer though- i would prefer a lawyer drafting the letter. others too give it a try.

i would urge you not to send it too early. but it is up to you.

 

[satish7777]

guys,

lets pull back and take it a little slow.

we first have to get an official rejection notice, while i am not convinced that the email is an official communique - others may have a different opinion - this is just my suggestion.

during this time we can begin drafts.

i may know someone who may be willing to help draft a good letter. this person is not a lawyer though- i would prefer a lawyer drafting the letter. others too give it a try.

i would urge you not to send it too early. but it is up to you.

Hi everyone
A lot of discussion and blame game is there.
I am not saying that you cannot put your point of view on any agreement or disagreement but i know that challenging the authenticity of ny person until and unless u have proof is wrong.


Any ways the main point what I would like to tell you is that as I have reported earlier on this forum that I went to my bank to know the status of my BD and they have told me earlier that my BD was reported on 15th of july by the receiver general of canada. as many of the members commented that it cannot be correct as my application was received on 14th july itself.
Today after these discussion going on the forum I went again to the bank and told them the development and asked them to recheck my BD status and as the last time it happened he showed me the window on his computer unlike before I was more careful in reading all the details of the status-
i checked-
My name, date of issue of BD , name of the bank, BD no.. and amount.
Now at the bottom of all these details there was a sentence and i will spell the exact sentence- Reported on 07/15/11.
I said that explain me the procedure he told me that the day we make the BD we take that money out ( the value of the draft + fee) from your account and put it in the treasury account which is called suspense account.
Now when u send the draft to the recipient he has to produce to the branch of issuing Bank now as soon as he produces to the branch ( in my case it is HDFC from India and they have tie up with Bank of Nova Scotia in Canada) the branch reports it to the issuing port that time and day is reported as reported at xxxx date. now the bank takes it for clearing which normally takes around 21- 25 working days to report as en-cashed.
Now I asked that the money is lying with your bank can they dishonor if they don't have the money with them or delay in transfer is there ( i knew t was a silly question but due to all this development i m thinking on each and every angle which can be possible) any ways he laughed on my question and said BD is as goo as cash and when we tie up with a bank abroad there are certain arrangements between us and it is not the matter of money lying in whose account it is the recognition of each and every transaction which would generally happen in our own branches.
Now I said that as u said that it takes 21- 25 working days to en-cash than u might have en-cashed it as it is more than that now. He told me as it is a retail branch we don't have a access to treasury account.( I got all this details as the branch manager is my friend). He said that be rest assured that your BD is encashed.
Now some calculations If the bd is encashed and cap has reached and application returned-
Approx 30 cad to make a new BD to return
approx-15 cad if couriered through regular mail.
Total- 45 cad per return application.
as stated they received 500 application till 8th now cap filled date is 22nd july around 45 days say at this speed they might receive 40 application / day (least) * 45 days =1800 applications lets assume 800 are cc
so 800*15 cad (only courier) = 12000 CAD
Now 1000*45 ( courier + BD making charges)= 45000 CAD
Total - 57000 Cad to the least assumption.
Now tell me what is the outcome of this exercise who pays this money. yes u r right the government and only the government and whose money tax payers will the tax payers just sit and watch.

Now for the people whose application are returned-
A- they might have paid by credit card.
B- Incomplete document
If they reply you that your document was incomplete and returned back u will write to them that which document was incomplete.
now they reply x document
u reply I have rechecked and its fine tell me whats the problem
they reply y are the problems.
then again so on and so forth now when the cap has reached they would think that what is the point of argument on the incomplete document as the cap is full and even u rectify it and send it makes no sense. . better standard reply as the cap is full we are returning it back it is never said that your application was received after the cap was full so we are returning it back.
Guys please comment.

 

[rud_leb]

Hi everyone
A lot of discussion and blame game is there.
I am not saying that you cannot put your point of view on any agreement or disagreement but i know that challenging the authenticity of ny person until and unless u have proof is wrong.


Any ways the main point what I would like to tell you is that as I have reported earlier on this forum that I went to my bank to know the status of my BD and they have told me earlier that my BD was reported on 15th of july by the receiver general of canada. as many of the members commented that it cannot be correct as my application was received on 14th july itself.
Today after these discussion going on the forum I went again to the bank and told them the development and asked them to recheck my BD status and as the last time it happened he showed me the window on his computer unlike before I was more careful in reading all the details of the status-
i checked-
My name, date of issue of BD , name of the bank, BD no.. and amount.
Now at the bottom of all these details there was a sentence and i will spell the exact sentence- Reported on 07/15/11.
I said that explain me the procedure he told me that the day we make the BD we take that money out ( the value of the draft + fee) from your account and put it in the treasury account which is called suspense account.
Now when u send the draft to the recipient he has to produce to the branch of issuing Bank now as soon as he produces to the branch ( in my case it is HDFC from India and they have tie up with Bank of Nova Scotia in Canada) the branch reports it to the issuing port that time and day is reported as reported at xxxx date. now the bank takes it for clearing which normally takes around 21- 25 working days to report as en-cashed.
Now I asked that the money is lying with your bank can they dishonor if they don't have the money with them or delay in transfer is there ( i knew t was a silly question but due to all this development i m thinking on each and every angle which can be possible) any ways he laughed on my question and said BD is as goo as cash and when we tie up with a bank abroad there are certain arrangements between us and it is not the matter of money lying in whose account it is the recognition of each and every transaction which would generally happen in our own branches.
Now I said that as u said that it takes 21- 25 working days to en-cash than u might have en-cashed it as it is more than that now. He told me as it is a retail branch we don't have a access to treasury account.( I got all this details as the branch manager is my friend). He said that be rest assured that your BD is encashed.
Now some calculations If the bd is encashed and cap has reached and application returned-
Approx 30 cad to make a new BD to return
approx-15 cad if couriered through regular mail.
Total- 45 cad per return application.
as stated they received 500 application till 8th now cap filled date is 22nd july around 45 days say at this speed they might receive 40 application / day (least) * 45 days =1800 applications lets assume 800 are cc
so 800*15 cad (only courier) = 12000 CAD
Now 1000*45 ( courier + BD making charges)= 45000 CAD
Total - 57000 Cad to the least assumption.
Now tell me what is the outcome of this exercise who pays this money. yes u r right the government and only the government and whose money tax payers will the tax payers just sit and watch.

Now for the people whose application are returned-
A- they might have paid by credit card.
B- Incomplete document
If they reply you that your document was incomplete and returned back u will write to them that which document was incomplete.
now they reply x document
u reply I have rechecked and its fine tell me whats the problem
they reply y are the problems.
then again so on and so forth now when the cap has reached they would think that what is the point of argument on the incomplete document as the cap is full and even u rectify it and send it makes no sense. . better standard reply as the cap is full we are returning it back it is never said that your application was received after the cap was full so we are returning it back.
Guys please comment.

Very interesting point of view Satish. But Isn't this against the operational procedures of the CIC ?

 

[AVSNEH]

Very interesting point of view Satish. But Isn't this against the operational procedures of the CIC ?

Hey when can we get the Client Identification Number??? (obvs. If application gets through) I have submitted my application at 5th Jul'11 and BD was ecashed on 3rd Aug'11 as per bank officials...... Pl comment

 

[COOLIZIM]

Hi everyone
A lot of discussion and blame game is there.
I am not saying that you cannot put your point of view on any agreement or disagreement but i know that challenging the authenticity of ny person until and unless u have proof is wrong.


Any ways the main point what I would like to tell you is that as I have reported earlier on this forum that I went to my bank to know the status of my BD and they have told me earlier that my BD was reported on 15th of july by the receiver general of canada. as many of the members commented that it cannot be correct as my application was received on 14th july itself.
Today after these discussion going on the forum I went again to the bank and told them the development and asked them to recheck my BD status and as the last time it happened he showed me the window on his computer unlike before I was more careful in reading all the details of the status-
i checked-
My name, date of issue of BD , name of the bank, BD no.. and amount.
Now at the bottom of all these details there was a sentence and i will spell the exact sentence- Reported on 07/15/11.
I said that explain me the procedure he told me that the day we make the BD we take that money out ( the value of the draft + fee) from your account and put it in the treasury account which is called suspense account.
Now when u send the draft to the recipient he has to produce to the branch of issuing Bank now as soon as he produces to the branch ( in my case it is HDFC from India and they have tie up with Bank of Nova Scotia in Canada) the branch reports it to the issuing port that time and day is reported as reported at xxxx date. now the bank takes it for clearing which normally takes around 21- 25 working days to report as en-cashed.
Now I asked that the money is lying with your bank can they dishonor if they don't have the money with them or delay in transfer is there ( i knew t was a silly question but due to all this development i m thinking on each and every angle which can be possible) any ways he laughed on my question and said BD is as goo as cash and when we tie up with a bank abroad there are certain arrangements between us and it is not the matter of money lying in whose account it is the recognition of each and every transaction which would generally happen in our own branches.
Now I said that as u said that it takes 21- 25 working days to en-cash than u might have en-cashed it as it is more than that now. He told me as it is a retail branch we don't have a access to treasury account.( I got all this details as the branch manager is my friend). He said that be rest assured that your BD is encashed.
Now some calculations If the bd is encashed and cap has reached and application returned-
Approx 30 cad to make a new BD to return
approx-15 cad if couriered through regular mail.
Total- 45 cad per return application.
as stated they received 500 application till 8th now cap filled date is 22nd july around 45 days say at this speed they might receive 40 application / day (least) * 45 days =1800 applications lets assume 800 are cc
so 800*15 cad (only courier) = 12000 CAD
Now 1000*45 ( courier + BD making charges)= 45000 CAD
Total - 57000 Cad to the least assumption.
Now tell me what is the outcome of this exercise who pays this money. yes u r right the government and only the government and whose money tax payers will the tax payers just sit and watch.

Now for the people whose application are returned-
A- they might have paid by credit card.
B- Incomplete document
If they reply you that your document was incomplete and returned back u will write to them that which document was incomplete.
now they reply x document
u reply I have rechecked and its fine tell me whats the problem
they reply y are the problems.
then again so on and so forth now when the cap has reached they would think that what is the point of argument on the incomplete document as the cap is full and even u rectify it and send it makes no sense. . better standard reply as the cap is full we are returning it back it is never said that your application was received after the cap was full so we are returning it back.
Guys please comment.

satish...tell me the bottom line... i wanna hear it

 

[AVSNEH]

satish...tell me the bottom line... i wanna hear it

This might be true..... But do they think so carelessly about the applications... ??? I dont think so....

 

[nish]

Are we in the cap or are we not...thats the biggest question right now. specially when there is no other movement from cic.

I know 4-5 people have received letter of cap filled. and i know that its all over now. but still there are some unexplained points which come to my mind.

1. why isnt cc / bd charged of any other noc since so many days. you see the spreadsheet and there are may applicants in other noc. atleast one should have reported cc / bd charged by now.

2. can cic be so irresponsible in communicating the cap filled dates. 45 days back log is too much to believe. they are govt. bodies and are answerable for any blunders made. can they make such blunders. they will have to spend thousands of dollars to process and return all the applications received after 8th july.

3. if there are only two persons in cic checking completeness of application for 1122 applicants, one guy can take maximum of 15 min to check completeness, and so both of them can check atleast 40-50 applications a day. so how can be there a back log of 45 days. and i am sure there are more people working in cic.

4. cc /bd charging cannot be base to be considered for cap. because cc and bd both the modes of payment have different processing time. for example Guy A's application is recieved on 5th july and Guy B's application is received on 6th july. A has given BD and B has give cc. it is possible that if cic sends A's bd to be charged, it might be charged after CC payment of B. So payment was charged for B first but application of A was received first. moreover differnet BD from different countries and banks also have different processing time.


Can someone answer these questions.

 

[AVSNEH]

I really think that both of us have used the same consultant according to the information received from my consultant. Momad, can you please send me your contact number or e mall, so i can get in touch with you. my e mail address is bdm @ epixandplans.com

Can you name the consultant please???

 

[satish7777]

Very interesting point of view Satish. But Isn't this against the operational procedures of the CIC ?

Hi
Thanks for the comment
If the website states that x no. of applications received by y date it says applications received (no mention of opened or pending or backlog) so if that is correct my logic stands correct and if that is wrong it is against the operational procedure. So it is nothing but my perception of looking at things based on the proofs i have from my bank etc and what is correct only time can tell.
Now one more thing
total application received till 22nd aug is 1296 say they opened the first application on 5th of July ( as it was holiday before that ) so from 5th july to 22nd aug is 7 weeks *5 days (2 days weekend) = 35 days
now 1296/35= 37 applications / day say additional 23 application incomplete and all= 60 applications now if 20 people working on a 8 hr shift are checking 60 application/day that means it took them around 3 hrs to check 1 application.
now do you think that if they have received 500 application by 8th july they would work at this snail speed.
now if they say that they have received 500 application by 8th july than 40% of the total application received is in wouldn't u think that they will have more no. of people checking the form and at good speed than when they would be updating the site on periodic basis sometimes almost daily how can they have 40 days backlog.
anybody is welcome to prove me wrong but with a logic.
my request to all of the people who got the negative reply is that please update on your mode of payment and that will clear the scenario.

 

[satish7777]

This might be true..... But do they think so carelessly about the applications... ??? I dont think so....

Hi
I think u r answering your own question if they cant be so careless with the application they would not even have 45days backlog am i correct.