10 th draw lets B Positive

[kateg]

Re: 10 th draw No Hopes Group

There's been the issue since beginning time. Always done fine before mass immigration.

KImmigrants don't get laid off or can't find work lol, says the immigrant

Plenty of countries with literally non existent immigration policies which face the same problem.

There is, in fact, a demographic problem. Namely, the worker to retiree ratio.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/taxes/is-old-age-security-truly-unsustainable-1.1145910

Canada has acknowledged the demographic realities - if the ratio drops too low, they have to cut the safety net by doing things like cutting services and raising the retirement age.

To keep the ratio going, they need a certain number of youth who pay taxes and use fewer services. That's in part why the scores work they way they do. Up to a point, people get more experience (good for wages and international competitiveness), and are more likely to have children. Past that point, they have fewer working years and more expenses.

Canada can keep it's rates up by birthrates (which it isn't), or through immigration.

That being said, they can (and should) be extremely selective in who they bring in. By bringing in people who will help drive the economy (creating more jobs, and raising wages), they help secure Canada's economic future. By bringing in workers without unique qualifications, they increase competition for Canadian jobs and drive wages down.

Selective immigration, not mass immigration, is the way to go. The trick is to differentiate between those who will benefit the society and those who will be a drain - those who will assimilate versus those who will create isolated communities - those who will pay taxes, and those that will use taxes.

Express Entry is trying to move in that direction. That's why simply getting a degree isn't enough to get P/R anymore.

 

[kateg]

Re: 10 th draw No Hopes Group

Which is what I've said throughout my previous posts in this thread. We should give priority to those with LMIA. As they fill the jobs needed by us. Never did I say no to immigration, I said specifically that we need to bring in quality candidates. Then that momo brings up the race card... See below.

From the standpoint of the worker to retiree ratio, paying $100,000 in taxes helps quite a bit.

From the standpoint of job creation (vs Canadian competition), it doesn't mean anything - the question is whether or not that's $100,000 in new revenue or taking that money from a Canadian and leaving them unemployed. It's the job of the LMIA to differentiate between the two, and there's a reason they give priority to high-paying jobs.

 

[kateg]

Re: 10 th draw No Hopes Group

So basically paying 100,000 a year in taxes doesn't necessarily make someone a better candidate. LMIA differentiates that...

That's what I've already said, whats your point?

My point is that given their long-term goals, LMIAs should go to jobs which a) don't compete with Canadians, and b) pay more taxes (thus reducing the need for foreign immigrants in the first place).

 

[kateg]

Re: 10 th draw No Hopes Group

Thanks for reiterating.

You did ask what my point was.

 

[The_Distant_One]

Re: 10 th draw No Hopes Group

My point is that given their long-term goals, LMIAs should go to jobs which a) don't compete with Canadians, and b) pay more taxes (thus reducing the need for foreign immigrants in the first place).

All nice and dandy if baby boomers werent going to retire on mass in the next ten years...

Canada needs alot of immigrants especially when the price of oil goes back up and Alberta becomes the powerhouse again.

 

[kateg]

Re: 10 th draw No Hopes Group

All nice and dandy if baby boomers werent going to retire on mass in the next ten years...

Canada needs alot of immigrants especially when the price of oil goes back up and Alberta becomes the powerhouse again.

When that happens, they can issue a lot of LMIAs for temporary workers.

As for needing lots of immigrants, that may be. The question is how many, and which ones? They are working towards giving LMIAs to the more qualified people (through the job bank), rather than just the people with connections.

With EE, they have a lot less control - they can't limit who can receive it, or what NOCs. With LMIAs, they can control what jobs, what locations, what employers, and what employees are permitted to come.

 

[The_Distant_One]

Re: 10 th draw No Hopes Group

When that happens, they can issue a lot of LMIAs for temporary workers.

As for needing lots of immigrants, that may be. The question is how many, and which ones? They are working towards giving LMIAs to the more qualified people (through the job bank), rather than just the people with connections.

With EE, they have a lot less control - they can't limit who can receive it, or what NOCs. With LMIAs, they can control what jobs, what locations, what employers, and what employees are permitted to come.

I disagree on that point. As I have always said the legislation states that it is at "the instruction of the minister of immigration" so at any point he can decree that only certain NOC's or IELTS results etc could be offered. He has done this already for a specific CEC draw earlier in the year.

At the moment the LMIA restrictions provide a buffer to CIC to manage the amount of applications they have for PR but at some points (I predict after the next federal election) the requirements will be relaxed for EE

 

[d.r.]

Re: 10 th draw No Hopes Group

japan

Without the superabundance of foreigners leeching off our welfare system we will have more money to pay for our free healthcare.

Hey uh...how much are they paying you to be here?

 

[Wisper]

I am questioning if there's a second draw in May

 

[preeti.msingh109]

I am questioning if there's a second draw in May

U think CIC tells any of us?? Nobody would know about.this except people working for CIC

 

[Wisper]

U think CIC tells any of us?? Nobody would know about.this except people working for CIC

Frustrated, thinking about PNP already, do not wanna wait any more.

 

[uxd]

Just as Canadian products are allowed to compete with products from where many of the immigrants originate, with all regulations in place, so are people from other countries entitled to compete with Canadian people, again with all the immigration rules and policies. If Canada wants access to asian markets, it has to give access to its own job and environment in return. No free lunches or one way traffic. People forget this basic rule.

 

[CanadianDreams419]

As I mentioned in some of the other chats

Like everyone else, I've been following the draws closely and my observation is that is that if the assumption on the low end is that +/- 10% of the immigrants to Canada will come from the pool that works out to about +/- 25,000 people. In theory the CIC can make 2 draws a month ranging from 1000 to 2000 selections each draw (so averaging 1500 each bi-monthly draw or 3000 ITAs a month) and they will meet their quota. So strategically they have no incentive to rush to bring score down. Making small bi-monthly selections allows as many people to enter pool (so for example those with great scores but waiting for WES or something). Over 6 month period CIC just selects the best of the best as indicated by score. It's a brilliant recruitment technique

Thoughts ?

 

[New2Ca]

There will be definitely a draw within this week and score will go back to 400-450 again!
Because there is no possibility to cut-off at 500+. The candidates with job offer or PNP already got in last draw.
The logic is, the candidate with job offer or PNP will be at least having 150 (+600) points. So no cut off between 500 to 750.
The new candidates added with PNP or job offer within this week (may be few hundreds) will be also included in the next draw.
The number can be again same say around 1500....
So don't loose hopes... be happy.. Cheers!

 

[dublinfunk]

I think the score is high for the last draw because those that have their CEC and LMIA already received their ECA from a long waiting time. Hopefully it does come down. For the mean time, life goes one. We cannot stop living because we are waiting to start our lives in Canada. Remember, we survived all these years from wherever we are, for sure Life has been happy in some ways and when we find contentment in where we are at the moment, time will fly and before we know it, it will already be our turn