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H&C Humanitarian Ground with/or Without Failed refugee claim

idiris

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REFUSAL GROUNDS
REFUSAL GROUNDS DETAILS: 1
Created Date: 2017/05/24
Updated Date: 2022/06/16
Refusal Grounds: R179(b) Intro Paragraph
Print Sequence: 1
Description: | am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as required by
paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR (https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2002-227/section-
179.html). | am refusing your application because you have not established that you will leave
Canada, based on the following factors:
Comments:
Expiry Date:

REFUSAL GROUNDS DETAILS: 2

Created Date: 2017/05/24

Updated Date: 2022/06/09

Refusal Grounds: R179(b) Family Ties o/s CDA

Print Sequence: 2

Description: You do not have significant family ties outside Canada.
Comments:

Expiry Date:

REFUSAL GROUNDS DETAILS: 3

Created Date: 2017/05/24

Updated Date: 2022/06/16

Refusal Grounds: R179(b)Inconsistent Purpose
 

virkz

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Oct 26, 2019
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Chandigarh
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
2172
AOR Received.
18-03-2019
Med's Done....
18-05-2019
Passport Req..
26-10-2019
VISA ISSUED...
01-11-2019
LANDED..........
18-05-2020
@virkz please dont listen to this advice,doesnt matter how strong your case is,some people here will always try to demotivate you/discourage you and the person who is giving you this advice has a very good reputation of providing bad discouraging immigration advice,look at this persons comments in the entire immigration forum and you will understand what I am talking about,he/she thinks he/she owns Canada and other people doesnt have the right to stay here,so I would say consult with a good lawyer and do what your lawyer says,good luck.
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idiris

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REFUSAL GROUNDS
REFUSAL GROUNDS DETAILS: 1
Created Date: 2017/05/24
Updated Date: 2022/06/16
Refusal Grounds: R179(b) Intro Paragraph
Print Sequence: 1
Description: | am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as required by
paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR (https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2002-227/section-
179.html). | am refusing your application because you have not established that you will leave
Canada, based on the following factors:
Comments:
Expiry Date:

REFUSAL GROUNDS DETAILS: 2

Created Date: 2017/05/24

Updated Date: 2022/06/09

Refusal Grounds: R179(b) Family Ties o/s CDA

Print Sequence: 2

Description: You do not have significant family ties outside Canada.
Comments:

Expiry Date:

REFUSAL GROUNDS DETAILS: 3

Created Date: 2017/05/24

Updated Date: 2022/06/16

Refusal Grounds: R179(b)Inconsistent Purpose
As you can see in these notes.
REFUSAL GROUNDS has 1 , 2 and 3.
It means that the officer found
REFUSAL GROUNDS to refuse this application.
 
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Scotian2012

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I answered someone’s question but also provided realistic expectations because what was once possible in the past will not be possible and many people/communities/consultants/lawyers are telling people that H&C is an easy pathway to remain in Canada especially for parents when that is not the case. Having data of the actual quotas and the backlog of applicants gives people perspective so they can make multiple plans and have a sense of timeline. Not part of IRCC but IRCC has made no secret about the fact that asylum and H&C programs need reforms and from the few insiders I know IRCC wanted to start doing this around a year ago out faced pushback and then delays. On an almost daily basis people ask about why their applications haven’t moved especially within the first 2 years so my message clearly has not gotten through which is why I repeat the same things.
Lmaoo while I agree with you painting a realistic picture of what the situation is, it still is not your job to try to deter people from using H&C? When people come here to ask questions, we provide answers not some long winded rant about IRCC reforms etc ..you don’t know any insiders - stop it!

I saw you in another platform saying you’re a Canadian citizen now, although we appreciate your input on this platform, it’s is now Annoying cos you’re not answering questions anymore, just stating what we already know..

look how Idiris answered the question above, very straightforward and helpful.

You just come here and rant about policy, quotas, backlog, reform. For lack of better words- be quiet! We are all already stressed, while you have nothing to gain or lose on this forum.

Have you looked to see if IRCC is hiring? Since immigration reform seems to be your passion? Maybe your insiders can help you find a position?
..or you just like to hear yourself speak? how many times do you edit a response? It’s just hilarious how much time to you spend on this platform & the other immigration platforms replying like you’re an “expert”
 
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canuck78

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Lmaoo while I agree with you painting a realistic picture of what the situation is, it still is not your job to try to deter people from using H&C? When people come here to ask questions, we provide answers not some long winded rant about IRCC reforms etc ..you don’t know any insiders - stop it!

I saw you in another platform saying you’re a Canadian citizen now, although we appreciate your input on this platform, it’s is now Annoying cos you’re not answering questions anymore, just stating what we already know..

look how Idiris answered the question above, very straightforward and helpful.

You just come here and rant about policy, quotas, backlog, reform. For lack of better words- be quiet! We are all already stressed, while you have nothing to gain or lose on this forum.

Have you looked to see if IRCC is hiring? Since immigration reform seems to be your passion? Maybe your insiders can help you find a position?
..or you just like to hear yourself speak? how many times do you edit a response? It’s just hilarious how much time to you spend on this platform & the other immigration platforms replying like you’re an “expert”
Don’t participate in any other immigration platforms. Free speech. My views of H&C and advice has changed over time as targets and volumes have increased. Don’t work in immigration nor do I have the desire to do so. Wish I had more inside information so that I would be less concerned about the incompetence of the department. As has been repeated by many government officials, immigration lawyers and consultants, etc. immigration in Canada is changing dramatically and people must have plan A, B, C, etc. because many of those without status or temporary residents won’t have any pathway to remain in Canada. I feel bad for many who will be put in very tough positions which is why people need to be planning what they can do if their H&C is denied or consider better pathways to get PR given low quotas and volume of applicants. Some may be better off returning home to get more work experience or education to then apply to return to Canada, learn French and then return home and apply for PR, consider moving to other countries, etc. My field of work does make me very concerned about certain immigration programs when we have zero capacity to absorb especially seniors.
 
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forevermore76

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It's about time a new party was formed in Canada which when elected would overhaul the immigration system. H&C should have been defunct a decade ago. The abuse is beyond comprehension and there are hundreds of thousands who should just be deported without due process. The Americans got it right on this one.
 

wiener

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It's about time a new party was formed in Canada which when elected would overhaul the immigration system. H&C should have been defunct a decade ago. The abuse is beyond comprehension and there are hundreds of thousands who should just be deported without due process. The Americans got it right on this one.
I did not realize we have trumpster on this forum, who simply suggest thousands of people should disppear from streets and be deported right away without due process. My message to you is that Canada is a country of law. On behalf of other respected members on this forum, kindly stop posting comments like this.
 

Scotian2012

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It's about time a new party was formed in Canada which when elected would overhaul the immigration system. H&C should have been defunct a decade ago. The abuse is beyond comprehension and there are hundreds of thousands who should just be deported without due process. The Americans got it right on this one.
You know the tree believed the axe was a friend because its handle was made of wood, America is in its find out stage.
Behind every extreme policy there are human lives being affected, I hope you can keep this same energy if you or your loved ones should ever find yourselves in a desperate situation.
 

forevermore76

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I did not realize we have trumpster on this forum, who simply suggest thousands of people should disppear from streets and be deported right away without due process. My message to you is that Canada is a country of law. On behalf of other respected members on this forum, kindly stop posting comments like this.
Speak for yourself just like I speak for myself. Canada used to be a country of law just like USA too. You abuse something too much and all the goodness goes away sooner or later. I want people to feel safe and be able to obtain safety in Canada but probably 99% are fake claimants now. The govt has a larger mandate to protect it's citizens first.
 

forevermore76

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You know the tree believed the axe was a friend because its handle was made of wood, America is in its find out stage.
Behind every extreme policy there are human lives being affected, I hope you can keep this same energy if you or your loved ones should ever find yourselves in a desperate situation.
My family has been denied visa by Canada, I didn't resort to fraud to get them here. I don't think you understand why and how a country gets to extreme policies. It's culmination of decades of abuse.
 

canuck78

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Speak for yourself just like I speak for myself. Canada used to be a country of law just like USA too. You abuse something too much and all the goodness goes away sooner or later. I want people to feel safe and be able to obtain safety in Canada but probably 99% are fake claimants now. The govt has a larger mandate to protect it's citizens first.
The US has ways to deport people without sending them to a foreign jail and especially a foreign jail without due process. I wish Canada was better at removing people who have exhausted their legal rights to remain in Canada and processing was faster especially for criminals but I don’t think most people believe people should be deported to anything but their home country.