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what u mean if PR already went through security/background before getting PR they have to go through the same after that?? does it make sense ?? they got PR and lived in canada for 4 years and applied for citizenship??? what do u mean
You seem to be saying that since the PR already went through the checks, then the application for citizenship shouldn't involve the same checks again, as it's a waste of resources to again do something that was already done.
I think though that there are cases when this makes sense, to check again. In particular if after PR one spends a lot of time overseas (even while meeting RO and citizenship physical presence requirements), there might be new crimes committed overseas that IRCC isn't aware of and needs to inquire about.
Even for the super simple case of a PR who never traveled, I guess there might be that rare case where a foreign country wasn't aware of a crime 3 years ago but knows about it now and has added it to the record. I'd expect these simple cases to go through rather much faster though, but then again it's IRCC...
Well, a person can engage in criminal activity outside Canada after they become a PR. It may not be your case, but it happens, and the background check people were subjected to prior to their PR is a snapshot in time that doesn't reflect the person they are the moment they apply for citizenship, so it may make sense to get into extensive background checks again...
That being said, a lack of cooperation between countries shouldn't be an excuse to just drag things infinitely. People should be entitled to a minimum of procedural fairness and openness and IRCC should absolutely find some kind of balance between the country's security interest and the citizenship applicants expectations. How, not sure and not qualified to give a proper opinion, but what's for sure is that for every background check that raises serious red flags (or botched checks where actual criminals manage to get their citizenship!), thousands are left waiting for years before "well, the only real complaint about this dude is a stop he didn't respect in 2019 and the fact that he doesn't like poutine".
Too bad the only "solution" is usually either moving on with your life and wait for that citizenship to come at some point, or lawyering up and spending a shit load of money that may or may not change the trajectory of the application processing.
Not sure a petition with no traction would change anything tho...
That being said, a lack of cooperation between countries shouldn't be an excuse to just drag things infinitely. People should be entitled to a minimum of procedural fairness and openness and IRCC should absolutely find some kind of balance between the country's security interest and the citizenship applicants expectations. How, not sure and not qualified to give a proper opinion, but what's for sure is that for every background check that raises serious red flags (or botched checks where actual criminals manage to get their citizenship!), thousands are left waiting for years before "well, the only real complaint about this dude is a stop he didn't respect in 2019 and the fact that he doesn't like poutine".
Too bad the only "solution" is usually either moving on with your life and wait for that citizenship to come at some point, or lawyering up and spending a shit load of money that may or may not change the trajectory of the application processing.
Not sure a petition with no traction would change anything tho...
but the PR didnt leave canada for 4 years; Also if we take the word of countries discover after 3 years... they could discover after 20 years if this is how you measure..
Does it make sense to adopt kids and after 2-3 years of paper work, they live in u house for 4 years and have brothers and sister than you ask to give your name to them u say... kids let us start all over maybe you are bad kids .... very sad indeed
Does it make sense to adopt kids and after 2-3 years of paper work, they live in u house for 4 years and have brothers and sister than you ask to give your name to them u say... kids let us start all over maybe you are bad kids .... very sad indeed
It's unclear from that which scenario applies. E.g.
A) the PR came in on a temporary status, and became a PR two years ago, and since entering Canada has never left, and now qualifies for citizenship based on the two years of temporary status (at half credit) plus two years on PR, so the PR's background check and such from two years ago would not have changed with respect to foreign countries.
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B) the PR became such five years ago, and then left for a year, then came back and stayed in Canada for four years, and qualifies for citizenship based on the last four years (actually the last three would have been good enough).
So in B it's much more reasonable to ask, and if the foreign gov't are slowing in responding then ....
If it were more like A, I'd wonder if it's actually a foreign check that's the issue, or if somehow a domestic check got hit and they (e.g. RCMP) have to do some digging to clear up a case of mistaken identity or whatnot.
Isn't this a theoretical denaturalization case? Applicant lied about committing no crimes when actually they did, and somehow it didn't show up in the paperwork originally .. but after citizenship is granted, somehow this crime comes to light, then it can be lost. It of course can depend on how serious this omission was, but for example see e.g. the parents in https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50873329
I'm assuming of course that the PR in this thread and in the petition is nothing like those folks... but at the same time you can see why the gov't tries to be careful.
Very sad indeed. Also a bad example, as this has happened multiple times, see for example https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/article-8592541/When-adoption-fails-guilt-giving-child-back.html or https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52839792
Actually, this sad scenario is so common that it's in adoption faqs, see for example https://adoptionchoiceinc.org/2024/04/25/is-it-possible-to-give-back-an-adopted-child/ and https://consideringadoption.com/parenting-after-foster-care-adoption/adoption-disruption/
So to be sure, you can argue that the current rules are inefficient and a waste of gov't spending. But when you just try to point out sad things .. that won't really do much to help your case.
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thanks for the private msg and for encourging words also tx for signing petition
so we shouldnt try to improve even for furture canadians? so sad to think this way
Of course we should. But we should do so intelligently. For example, it wouldn't make much sense to throw money into getting security checks on foreign countries done faster if the issue is that the domestic one is taking too long.
On this I note that you haven't clearly stated the full facts or details behind the case here (e.g. if we're even looking at something closer to scenario A or scenario B), which is kind of a prerequisite tor doing this intelligently.
Like I said, really not helping your case.
To put things in perspective, I'm someone who immigrated to Canada, and who had the PR application delayed by an extra three or four years because of COVID happening. So I ought to be really sympathetic to your case.
If you're losing me, you're not likely to win over many other folks...
This video has the duration of a movie and dunno if I have the time to go through it. Could you summarize your point, in a way that would gain you traction with members of Parliament that may help change things? Thank you.
I just went through this entire video. So it's primarily a discussion between professional immigration lawyers Mark Holthe and Will Tao to discuss practical strategies that applicants and their immigration consultants can use to deal with this problem. E.g. if you know you went to a problematic school that might be flagged, then address that head-on by add a letter of explanation stating why you felt compelled to go to that school and what you actually studied there and what else you did while you were there with supporting documents. And how to prepare to file a write of mandamus after e.g. a year, though the specific period to wait depends on the applicant's circumstances.
Finally they acknowledge that, even if all the facts were known and standard were clear, it might be possible that for some Canada may not make sense and other countries might be a better choice (but see below regarding transparency).
But I'd say two important points are brought up that could be worthy for an MP's petition.
First, a lot of these things (like what schools are problematic) aren't really public information, and there's a lack of transparency on what can cause someone to go into the comprehensive security review. So asking for more transparency from IRCC such that applicants can reasonably determine if they might get hit by comprehensive security (aside from those picked randomly).
Second, the standard to put someone in this review is quite low, even lower than the preponderance of evidence standard. So considering the "human cost" (their words) involved, support changing the existing laws to raise the bar on this standard to a higher level (if not up to beyond a reasonable doubt, then at least to some standard higher than the current one) as this would be fairer.
So what do this have to do with the OP’s petition where citizenship application is stuck in background check due to other countries not providing security and immigration information.