Would Not Meet RO - got Job in Ireland

[jakklondon]

Your argurement on oversaturation is a hyperbole at best. Doctors driving cabs is not because there are no jobs, but because they failed to understand the licensing requirements, which every developed country has. Search "doctors driving cabs in US" and first article is from Reuters.
Unemployment rate of IT Analysts is the lowest you will ever find, so I am not sure what you mean by oversaturation.
People have already explained to you that MBA is a generic degree. If someone has done sales and marketting in India, those skills don't directly translate to equivalent experience in US and Canada because of cultural differences.
Cost of living - Let's compare top 5 cities in US and top 5 cities in Canada. New York is the financial capital, like Toronto. But NY is a lot more expensive than Toronto. Don't compare Austin to Toronto, that would be apple to oranges.

I think multiple people have already countered every argument you make, and you still continue to make them. I know you had bad experience and are now down to blaming the immigration policy of Canada as a reason of your experience. It might just have been bad luck, but then, it seems you have made up your mind and no amount to information is going to change that.

If you truly think that I am wrong and that my arguments were refuted numerous times by various members, then why do you bother to respond to my comments (especially lately, since I avoid engaging with you), over and over again?

I, for one, don't take your "counter-arguments" seriously, I think they are so frivolous that I better ignore you, even when you address your comments directly to me. You may have noticed already that I tend to ignore people whose opinions are as frivolous as those of a crook who tries to sell a Brooklyn bridge, or aimed at person [ad hominem] rather than the subject of the discussion. Your reaction shows that my words sting you at very deep levels (even though none of my comments and posts are aimed at you or anyone here personally), and it just goes to show that there is truth to my words. Because only truth stings deeply and gets under the skin

 

[IndianBos]

If you truly think that I am wrong and that my arguments were refuted numerous times by various members, then why do you bother to respond to my comments (especially lately, since I avoid engaging with you), over and over again?

I, for one, don't take your "counter-arguments" seriously, I think they are so frivolous that I better ignore you, even when you address your comments directly to me. You may have noticed already that I tend to ignore people whose opinions are as frivolous as those of a crook who tries to sell a Brooklyn bridge, or aimed at person [ad hominem] rather than the subject of the discussion. Your reaction shows that my words sting you at very deep levels (even though none of my comments and posts are aimed at you or anyone here personally), and that just goes to show that there is truth in my words. Only truth stings deeply and gets under the skin

Because I live in Canada and what you are doing is slander. I will continue to respond to slander, so expect a response if you continue to do so. People need to be called out if they are doing something wrong. I am sure there are others who would do the same.

I don't respond when you arguments or responses are constructive. I will also agree with you if you ever bring data to back your claims, as I mentioned in one of the other threads.

 

[jakklondon]

Because I live in Canada and what you are doing is slander. I will continue to respond to slander, so expect a response if you continue to do so. People need to be called out if they are doing something wrong. I am sure there are others who would do the same.

I don't respond when you arguments or responses are constructive. I will also agree with you if you ever bring data to back your claims, as I mentioned in one of the other threads.

If you believe that what I do is a slander then take it to court and prove it, until then you are the one who falsely alleges that I am a slanderer FYI, there are punitive and injunctive reliefs available for slanders.

And just so you know, I am not your average fool to be easily manipulated, I know the governing law, I know where Free Political Speech ends and slander starts, and I know there are special protections for Political Speech, especially when one speaks their conscience

 

[IndianBos]

If you believe that what I do is a slander then take it to court and prove it, until then you are the one who falsely alleges that I am a slanderer FYI, there are punitive and injunctive reliefs available for slanders.

And just so you know, I am not your average fool to be easily manipulated, I know the governing law, I know where Free Political Speech ends and slander starts, and I know there are special protections for Political Speech, especially when one speaks their conscience

I would love to sue you in Canadian courts, but if you try to appear here, they will again stop you at the border, question about residency and may be start the process to revoke your PR. I don't want to subject you to all that torture.

So, I will continue to respond here whenever I want to.

 

[jakklondon]

I would love to sue you in Canadian courts, but if you try to appear here, they will again stop you at the border, question about residency and may be start the process to revoke your PR. I don't want to subject you to all that torture.

So, I will continue to respond here whenever I want to.

You can sue me under the jurisdiction where I am, which is the United States. If I have a claim against someone in UK, I am not entitled to have them to come here so I can sue them under my own jurisdiction. No one is entitled to such thing. In criminal proceedings prosecuted by State on international scale there is extradition involved, where suspect is brought under prosecuting jurisdiction by force, But you are not a State and I am not a subject of international criminal warrant. So, go ahead, sue me

And don't forget, until you prove in court of law that I am slanderer, you are the one who falsely alleges that I am.

 

[jakklondon]

My apologies to all forum members for the back-and-forth with the poster above. I am adding him to my ignore list to avoid any temptation of responding to the nonsense in future. In the meantime, here is my last comment and thoughts on the subject, which I posted before diversion by the poster above:

Judging by the trends of last couple of decades and ultimate outcomes, it appears that the real intent of the federal government and its immigration policy is not the betterment of quality of life in Canada, but turning Canada into a third world country , where endless stream of dirt cheap labor can allow large, transnational corporations stay or invest in Canada taking advantage of its' over saturated labor market. Those large corporations are only ones being served and catered to by the federal government of the Canada. I can't think of any other rationale for Canadian federal government's plan to bring 1.3 million more skilled immigrants into Canada, whereas those who are already in Canada are struggling to get survival jobs as rickshaws on the street to pay their bills with paycheck to mouth wages. Coupled with astronomical cost of real estate and overall cost of living, immigrants planning to move to Canada should be prudent and aware of what awaits them in "Garden of Paradise" once they arrive to it. I suspect many of them are better off in country of origin, than they would be in Canada for the foreseeable future. And that's perhaps one of the main reasons we even have this sub-forum, dedicated to Canadian PRs who fled Canada as one would flee a cage full of snakes, and who stayed out of Canada for many years, now asking how to keep their PR status upon return while in breach of RO.

 

[canuck78]

My apologies to all forum members for the back-and-forth with the poster above. I am adding him to my ignore list to avoid any temptation of responding to the nonsense in future. In the meantime, here is my last comment and thoughts on the subject, which I posted before diversion by the poster above:

Judging by the trends of last couple of decades and ultimate outcomes, it appears that the real intent of the federal government and its immigration policy is not the betterment of quality of life in Canada, but turning Canada into a third world country , where endless stream of dirt cheap labor can allow large, transnational corporations stay or invest in Canada taking advantage of its' over saturated labor market. Those large corporations are only ones being served and catered to by the federal government of the Canada. I can't think of any other rationale for Canadian federal government's plan to bring 1.3 million more skilled immigrants into Canada, whereas those who are already in Canada are struggling to get survival jobs as rickshaws on the street to pay their bills with paycheck to mouth wages. Coupled with astronomical cost of real estate and overall cost of living, immigrants planning to move to Canada should be prudent and aware of what awaits them in "Garden of Paradise" once they arrive to it. I suspect many of them are better off in country of origin, than they would be in Canada for the foreseeable future. And that's perhaps one of the main reasons we even have this sub-forum, dedicated to Canadian PRs who fled Canada as one would flee a cage full of snakes, and who stayed out of Canada for many years, now asking how to keep their PR status upon return while in breach of RO.

You are constantly claiming that Canada has dirt cheap labour. Minimum wage has consistently increased in Canada where as it has barely increased in many places including a large proportion of US states. If you want to talk about dirt cheap labour prices look at many of the home countries people are immigrating from. If you immigrated from India, for example, you likely had the ability to have a cleaner, gardener, driver, cook, nanny, etc. while making a middle class income because of the dirt cheap labour costs. Labour is not cheap in Canada.

 

[steaky]

You are constantly claiming that Canada has dirt cheap labour. Minimum wage has consistently increased in Canada where as it has barely increased in many places including a large proportion of US states. If you want to talk about dirt cheap labour prices look at many of the home countries people are immigrating from. If you immigrated from India, for example, you likely had the ability to have a cleaner, gardener, driver, cook, nanny, etc. while making a middle class income because of the dirt cheap labour costs. Labour is not cheap in Canada.

You don't need to look at where people are immigrating from. There have been an ongoing pregnant posters (might be middle income earners) in this forum inviting their relatives to "visit" them as to provide free labour for pre to post natal services.

 

[jakklondon]

You are constantly claiming that Canada has dirt cheap labour.

The end effect of oversaturating labor market is precisely this: dirt cheap wages. It's not me claiming it, it's economics 101, supply-demand law. Federal policy makers in exclusive service of large corporate interests appear to work hard to bring Canadian wages down to what it is in third world countries.

Minimum wage has consistently increased in Canada where as it has barely increased in many places including a large proportion of US states.

Make transparent that you need rickshaws and taxi drivers, not skilled professionals, so you can get all the minimum wage earners you need. And pay them legislated minimum wages.

If you want to talk about dirt cheap labour prices look at many of the home countries people are immigrating from. If you immigrated from India, for example, you likely had the ability to have a cleaner, gardener, driver, cook, nanny, etc. while making a middle class income because of the dirt cheap labour costs. Labour is not cheap in Canada.

Precisely, that's what Canadian federal bureaucrats aim at: to turn Canada into proverbial India***. It will be bad for Canadians and PRs of Indian origin who try to get better living standards, because they will end up with the same or, very often, worse living conditions than in India. But large corporations will be rubbing their hands together with a glee. Hiring somebody in Canada and paying Indian*** wages is their old dream.

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***I must add that things have changed a lot in the past 20 years, and I hear from many Indians who immigrated to Canada lately that their wages (in terms of buying power) and living standards were already a lot higher in India than it is in Canada after landing.

 

[canuck78]

The end effect of oversaturating labor market is precisely this: dirt cheap wages. It's not me claiming it, it's economics 101, supply-demand law. Federal policy makers in exclusive service of large corporate interests appear to work hard to bring Canadian wages down to what it is in third world countries.



Make transparent that you need rickshaws and taxi drivers, not skilled professionals, so you can get all the minimum wage earners you need. And pay them legislated minimum wages.



Precisely, that's what Canadian federal bureaucrats aim at: to turn Canada into proverbial India***. It will be bad for Canadians and PRs of Indian origin who try to get better living standards, because they will end up with the same or, very often, worse living conditions than in India. But large corporations will be rubbing their hands together with a glee. Hiring somebody in Canada and paying Indian*** wages is their old dream.

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***I must add that things have changed a lot in the past 20 years, and I hear from many Indians who immigrated to Canada lately that their wages (in terms of buying power) and living standards were already a lot higher in India than it is in Canada after landing.

You live in the US where labour is cheaper than in Canada. Wageshave not been decreasing in Canada. If supply and demand was as big of an issue as you are saying we would be experiencing a huge wage depression.Would add that many Uber drivers are making a pretty good salary and they are choosing to drive Uber. Many corporations have been hiring offshore labour for The past two decades. This is not limited to Canada. As a smaller country we use less offshore labor than many other countries. The US likely uses the most. From call centres, to Facebook moderators, to know more technical IT jobs many are outsourced to other countries. This allows companies to save money. This is a worldwide phenomenon. Immigration is not for everyone if you were in a top-tier Indian job then it likely does not make sense to move to Canada for financial reasons. It may make sense for a variety of other reasons. I have recommended that some people not immigrate if they are in top manager positions if their goal is purely financial. They shouldn’t immigrate anywhere. Their chances of a better lifestyle Is better in India than in any other country including the US.

 

[steaky]

Would add that many Uber drivers are making a pretty good salary and they are choosing to drive Uber.

Some Uber eats drivers surely drive expensive cars.

 

[jakklondon]

You live in the US where labour is cheaper than in Canada.

LOOOOOL Really? You really think wages here are lower than in Canada?
The home I live in would be considered sky-high luxury within a reach of large city in Canada, and would cost thrice or at least twice as much as here (with all the upgrades, the size of living area and brand new amenities). And I know very well how much professionals earn in Canada, after all I was looking for a job in Canada at some point and still remember job ads with salaries offered. Come on, this kind of obvious propaganda actually backfires, because it's obviously not correct, and too many people know it (a lot of Canadian PRs have direct connections/relatives in the US or lived here on H1b, so they know what the wages and cost of living are in the US). I never wanted this debate to be about "US vs. Canada", but if you insist I can only show how truly superior US job market and earning potential are to that of Canada. I would be a rickshaw in Canada today, but in the US I am a professional and have a living standard that I couldn't dream of in Canada

Wageshave not been decreasing in Canada. If supply and demand was as big of an issue as you are saying we would be experiencing a huge wage depression.

Oversaturation leads to decreased demand and drop in costs. That's textbook economics 101. Have a nice day

Would add that many Uber drivers are making a pretty good salary and they are choosing to drive Uber. Many corporations have been hiring offshore labour for The past two decades. This is not limited to Canada. As a smaller country we use less offshore labor than many other countries. The US likely uses the most. From call centres, to Facebook moderators, to know more technical IT jobs many are outsourced to other countries. This allows companies to save money. This is a worldwide phenomenon. Immigration is not for everyone if you were in a top-tier Indian job then it likely does not make sense to move to Canada for financial reasons. It may make sense for a variety of other reasons. I have recommended that some people not immigrate if they are in top manager positions if their goal is purely financial. They shouldn’t immigrate anywhere. Their chances of a better lifestyle Is better in India than in any other country including the US.

Hahahaha, welcome to Canada Dr. Patel, so you can drive Uber and make "a lot of money" after being a respectable doctor in India, with high social status and prestige. Uber eats is too good for you! << Pun intended.

 

[jakklondon]

Some Uber eats drivers surely drive expensive cars.

It's hilarious, what being a voice of government propaganda makes people say

 

[SecularFirst]

I have lived both in US and Canada, I can tell from my personal experience that US is way better for a working class skilled immigrant. I dont know about Europe or other countries no cant comment on that.
US provides way more economic opportunity. When you compare similar jobs, I was making way more income from my job in US than in Canada. Also you keep more of your income to you rather than paying high taxes. You cant buy a decent house to live in any decent sized city in Canada with decent income. Infact, half the Canadian population will never be able to own a house with current income levels unless they get money from outside like many immigrants are doing. Canadian young people have normalized living in small, run down apartments. It shouldn't have to be like that in a rich developed country. It is failure of the political class who are allowing more and more foreign money and foreign labor to come into Canadian economy without increasing much productivity in the economy. Lot of low skilled and family class immigrants, or even inborn Canadians that I meet in Canada are working very minimum, low paying jobs and just letting their houses pay for their living. Most will live in 1 to 1.5million dollar houses but still collect childcare dollars for their kids as they work very little. Whereas, a hard working new Canadian or immigrants would work their butt off, and if they make 120k and up, they would be paying way high taxes, no benefits and would be buying a run down bad house due to no fault of their own.

From the surface you would feel you are getting free healthcare out of your high taxes but its a farce. Nothing is free. You pay high taxes and even then you dont get good healthcare. I have experienced first hand. Doctors dont care about your wait time, clinics dont care if you are getting good services and are taken care adequately as they are getting paid from province no matter what. They have no incentives to give good services. Just google some doctors offices around your area and look at the reviews people put. You will have hard time finding a 4 star office let alone 5.
Doctors are still providing decades old treatment modalities and options as those are the only ones approved and paid by the provinces. They are not trying newer advanced treatment option like newer implants, newer stents as they are expensive and provinces dont pay for it. Doctors just try to make you go away unless you are dying. They are happy treating and writing usual diabetes and high BP meds to patient. They rarely go out of their way to do more investigations and be proactive, as there is no incentive to make more diagnosis and more production for the office, and help someone in the meantime. Even illegal immigrants in US get healthcare through medicaid and no hospital can deny live saving healthcare in US to anyone regardless if they have insurance or if they are able to pay. Healthcare in US is no doubt expensive for regular low income working families but they try to get insurance, no family want to move to Canada or Europe for free healthcare reason. It leads to personal responsibility rather than depending upon someone live government for your needs. And believe me, healthcare in Canada is also expensive, you pay with your taxes and cost of living.

Also 9% of Canadian population is living outside Canada, thats a huge number. And I dont have exact data but I feel about 50% of people over 65 stay 6 months out of Canada in Florida (for whites) and India or other countries during winters, while keep drawing government benefits and healthcare. Now does that help Canada in any way economically or socially, you can tell.

Someone compare Toronto to New York. While its not accurate, TO is more comparable to Chicago in terms of population and economic activity. Compare the housing prices and average income in Chicago and TO, you can clearly see its much easier for someone to get a decent house, have a decent life in Chicago with median income. Good luck doing that in TO.

This is a subjective observation but I found that in reality, US system overall is much more friendly for immigrants both low and high skilled, if you ignore the political rhetoric. For sure its messy for someone like me who was born in India or for someone from China.
They take in lot of immigrants both legal and illegal, and even illegals can work, get drivers license, go to school and get lot more services. Ask an illegal immigrant in Canada, they cant even open a bank account. In all fairness, Canada does make it easier for skilled educated immigrants to come in, its in no way friendly to overall immigrants. Infact it hates letting old age parents of immigrants coming here and put all sorts of roadblocks. Lot of skilled and family class immigrants who come to Canada are doing the same jobs and work which the undocumented do in US, atleast they live in warmer climate.
Minimum wage is higher in Canada no doubt but look at that the cost of living. Also why are we discussion minimum wage when we discussing skilled economic immigration.

All these are personal observation. I have lived in both countries, studied in both countries, worked both minimum wage jobs and highest tax bracket jobs in both countries. Your experiences might be different but you cant ignore the fact that most immigrants want to work, be able to have a house, live comfortably and provide for their family. This is way easier to achieve in US.

 

[SecularFirst]

They should fix economy, housing, build more hospitals, housing institute of higher learning before bringing in more and more immigration. They are getting 1% of population in every year and look around how many new hospitals are they building, how many new universities they are building, how many new houses they are building? They are just pitching immigrants and Canadians against each other for limited resources. I was shocked to learn that Ontario just have 1000 icu beds. For a province with such large population, thats a joke. Then they had to do lockdown to save those beds.