Need help with some changes.

[ValGonzal]

Guys, we need some help.

We had put three work exp in the EE profile. We got huge poitns for one work exp. Yet we feel that it ia not considered work according to our understanding and we dont wanna just get points for free or do any misrep.

Ao we wanna remove that one work exp and our poitns will go way lower. We are okay with that.

Now the officers might be able to see that we removed a portion of work exp and poitns got lowered by 20 30 points.

Could we just remove the work exp (and withdraw the whole profile). And then make a new one with only two work. In thia case would officers be able to see that a person with thia name on thia date , withdrew the work exp and the profile and made a new one with a reduced work exp.? Would it affect our image in case we increase our scores and get an ITA with a second profile.

 

[AishB]

It really doesn't matter what changes you do to your profile until you get ITA.

 

[ValGonzal]

It really doesn't matter what changes you do to your profile until you get ITA.

Okay thank you AishB

We actually do not want to put this Trainee work exp even in the personal history because our main activity was studying. And we have not mentioned these Trainee work exp even in the past trv or study applications.
If officers dont care what we change in the work hisotry, then would they ask why we have not put our Trainee work exp in the future personal hisotry? Do you see an issue..I hope u understood how question. Even in the future TRV, we do not intend to put Trainee work exp in employment section because we do not think it is considered employement. So if we do not put it, then would they question?

Our answer would be : not mentioning it in the personal hiaotry is because main activity was studying. Not mentioning in any employment section is because we feel Trainee work exp doesnot mean "employment"

 

[AishB]

Like I said, the officers will not "question" what you change in the profile before ITA be it personal history or work profile.
The work experience section is for claiming points in the chosen NOC. Depending on where you studied, a trainee experience can be used as work experience section but it depends on you if you want to declare there or not.
As for personal entry section, I did not declare the internship there since it was part of my education - Requirement to do our thesis in a Lab or Organization.
If you still want to be sure of it, you can explain in LOE that as part of your study requirements, you undertook an internship during this period.

 

[ValGonzal]

Like I said, the officers will not "question" what you change in the profile before ITA be it personal history or work profile.
The work experience section is for claiming points in the chosen NOC. Depending on where you studied, a trainee experience can be used as work experience section but it depends on you if you want to declare there or not.
As for personal entry section, I did not declare the internship there since it was part of my education - Requirement to do our thesis in a Lab or Organization.
If you still want to be sure of it, you can explain in LOE that as part of your study requirements, you undertook an internship during this period.

Okay thank you so much
If in case the internship was not part of studies, then would it change th situation.

 

[AishB]

Okay thank you so much
If in case the internship was not part of studies, then would it change th situation.

Again it depends on you..either declare as work experience or in personal history.

 

[ValGonzal]

Again it depends on you..either declare as work experience or in personal history.

Yes i totlaly understand, this brings us to the other part of this doubt.
We have never mentioned this in our previous employment sections (of trv application nor study visa form), and we do not intend to use it for the personal history too because main activity was studying. Could we just write "study" in personal history. Study covers the 100% portion of the timeframe and this trainee was not part of studies, thus just to fulfil the goal of personal history (which is to leave no gaps), we can mention studying.

 

[AishB]

Yes i totlaly understand, this brings us to the other part of this doubt.
We have never mentioned this in our previous employment sections (of trv application nor study visa form), and we do not intend to use it for the personal history too because main activity was studying. Could we just write "study" in personal history. Study covers the 100% portion of the timeframe and this trainee was not part of studies, thus just to fulfil the goal of personal history (which is to leave no gaps), we can mention studying.

So the training was not part of your studies but done part time ?
Any reason why you don't want to declare in the personal section ? Personal history is meant for declaring any activity done during last 10 years including no employment period and no study period and this does not require any proof to be submitted.

 

[ValGonzal]

ye

So the training was not part of your studies but done part time ?
Any reason why you don't want to declare in the personal section ? Personal history is meant for declaring any activity done during last 10 years including no employment period and no study period and this does not require any proof to be submitted.

yes trainee (hands on work) was done during schooling, outside Canada, and not a part of curriculum. It was just a side activity.
We do not want to put it because:
1. we had never declared those , in any past trvs, study application or work applications. Hence we would be bringing something new, for questioning. .
2. This was during the schooling, so we thought main activity (primary activity) would be "studies".

The purpose of personal history is to - not to leave gaps and mention truthfully what activity was done in that time frame. Hence , don't you think , just writing "studies" would be sufficient to cover the time line and showing primary activity?(whether we got training, volunteered outside etc, how does it matter IF main primary activity was "studies")

So this is our understanding. We feel we should not mention it in personal history because the main activity , covering the time line, was "studies". AND, we should not even mention it in our future tourist visa application (extension visa) because that might not be considered "employment". Do you think these reasonings are valid. It seems right to me, but taking views if people have more to say.

 

[ValGonzal]

ye

yes trainee (hands on work) was done during schooling, outside Canada, and not a part of curriculum. It was just a side activity.
We do not want to put it because:
1. we had never declared those , in any past trvs, study application or work applications. Hence we would be bringing something new, for questioning. .
2. This was during the schooling, so we thought main activity (primary activity) would be "studies".

The purpose of personal history is to - not to leave gaps and mention truthfully what activity was done in that time frame. Hence , don't you think , just writing "studies" would be sufficient to cover the time line and showing primary activity?(whether we got training, volunteered outside etc, how does it matter IF main primary activity was "studies")

So this is our understanding. We feel we should not mention it in personal history because the main activity , covering the time line, was "studies". AND, we should not even mention it in our future tourist visa application (extension visa) because that might not be considered "employment". Do you think these reasonings are valid. It seems right to me, but taking views if people have more to say.

I read your post again. It says no employment period and no school period. Is that correct? Then how do we justify not putting trainee work exp in PH. If you mean that we cannot put studies, then we wuld have to put trainee.

 

[AishB]

I read your post again. It says no employment period and no school period. Is that correct? Then how do we justify not putting trainee work exp in PH. If you mean that we cannot put studies, then we wuld have to put trainee.

I meant you include activity such as unemployment and non study period as well in the personal history section.
This should be for either from 18 years of age or the last 10 years (if older than 28).
You might want to get a lawyer's opinion since your previous visas did not declare it but "technically" you should have.
Is this training done in last 10 years ?

 

[ValGonzal]

I meant you include activity such as unemployment and non study period as well in the personal history section.
This should be for either from 18 years of age or the last 10 years (if older than 28).
You might want to get a lawyer's opinion since your previous visas did not declare it but "technically" you should have.
Is this training done in last 10 years ?

yes it falls under 10 years. A lot of rcics have said - you can delete, which is fine. But i also mentioned to them about previous mistake in non disclosing the trainee work exp, they mentioned that you can revoke and make a new one.

But the question still remains - even if i delete, revoke and withdraw,....would officers get to know that something was put in and removed (and crs went super high) . Hence they could question unnecessarily about not mentioning it. I wish there was a rcic here on the posts who could answer as well.


1.Do you think they would only question if somebody removes something AFTER ITA, and doesnot mention in PH
OR
if someone removes BEFORE ITA and not mentions it.

2. will both scenarios have the same effect or officers would not even care even if we mention that we did 3 jobs (before ITA) and delete it as soon as possible.

3. if we are questioned, can we say we were checking the scores?

sorry for the long text, please do reply 1, 2,3 , your opinion will help!

 

[AishB]

1) You can make as many changes as you want before ITA. It does get recorded in GCMS but will not affect your application.

2) Once you get ITA, the changes will have to be informed to IRCC particularly on the points claimed. CRS will be recalculated at this point.

It is your responsibility to answer all questions correctly and provide all the information. Failure to do so will lead to misrepresentation.
If you did get a legal opinion on this, go ahead with what they advised.