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ADR second time for Schedule A Online

Oct 29, 2021
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Case history : Outland Spousal PR (PA -India , Sponsor - Canada)
December 31, 2019 – Application Received
Spouse eligibility - Passed
Medicals – Passed
Criminality – Passed
Security – In progress
Eligibility – Passed
Biometrics provided
Final Decision – In progress
June 26, 2021 – Additional Document Request 1 - Schedule A Online
July 1, 2021 – Additional Document Request - Schedule A Online- Submitted via email and portal
October 28, 2021 – ADR2 Requested - Schedule A Online again

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ADR 1 :
"Schedule A Online: Please ensure that you have accurately answered all the questions in Section 4. If your answer is “YES” to any of the questions, please provide us with details.
Please note that if it is found that you have engaged in misrepresentation in submitting your application for a permanent residence, you may be found to be inadmissible under section 40(1)(a) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act. A finding of such inadmissibility would render you inadmissible to Canada for a period of five years according to section 40(2)(a).
This must be received at this office by: 2021/07/07”

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REPLY TO ADR :
This is a snippet of what we uploaded:

UPDATED SCHEDULE A FORM WITH BELOW DETAILS IN THE BOX.

“4d) The answer is "Yes" as I have applied for temporary resident visa twice and once for outland open work permit and received refusal emails for the same.

1a) Online Temporary Resident Visa: Application No. XXXXXXXX, Date of Submission XXXXXXXXX

1b) Paper Temporary Resident Visa: Application No. XXXXXXXX,Date of Submission XXXXXXXXX
2) Paper Outland Open Work Permit: UCI XXXXXXXX,Date of Submission XXXXXXXXXX.Application Number not found in refusal email and wife confirmed with IRCC agent over call

4e) Reiterating as 'No' basis wife's discussion with IRCC over call for the above scenario as I wasn't denied entry at any country's border.

I was unable to attach my letter of explanation along with this form due to file limit, hence I have also sent my LOE with details to IRCC.CNMissRequestedDocs-DocsDemandesMissRC.IRCC@cic.gc.ca for their additional reference.”


After several times of vetting and thinking, we uploaded the requested document both in the portal as well as sent to their requested docs email address. The portal was updated soon after that stating that they’ve received the document.

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ADR 2 :

*FINAL REQUEST*

*THIS IS YOUR FINAL REMINDER. NO FURTHER REQUESTS WILL BE SENT*

"Schedule A Online: Please ensure that you have accurately answered all the questions in Section 4. If your answer is “YES” to any of the questions, please provide us with details.

Please note that if it is found that you have engaged in misrepresentation in submitting your application for a permanent residence, you may be found to be inadmissible under section 40(1)(a) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act. A finding of such inadmissibility would render you inadmissible to Canada for a period of five years according to section 40(2)(a).

Please note that we did not receive a submission on 2021/07/01 as it does not appear to have been submitted or uploaded properly. Please submit again.

This must be received at this office by: 2021/11/27.

As a final reminder, you must also complete the medical examination for you and all family members within 30 days of this letter if you have not done so previously. You are required to have all your family members be examined as part of the process of applying for permanent residence in Canada, even if they will not come to Canada with the principal applicant. This examination of your non accompanying dependent is in accordance with the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulation section 70(1)(e).”

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Concern :

I honestly don’t understand why they’ve requested for the same ADR once again. I am confused if the content is incorrect or the upload didn’t go through.

I checked the portal I could see the upload has happened and I called IRCC to confirm this today the agent mentioned that she can see the updated schedule A .
She mentioned that only case officer will knows the exact reason, Go and resubmit in the portal as well as send the LOE via webform. I am not convinced by the response and this is our last chance or we are facing 5 year ban.

She also said the case officer notes state it wasn’t uploaded properly and I don’t get what they mean by that and she wasn’t sure either.

When an IRCC agent over call states the she isn't sure , we don't know what else to do to reply.

I honestly don’t do know what to do at this point. This is our last resort.

please help us , This will mean everything to us !
 

YVR123

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Jul 27, 2017
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This is really a suprise ! Why would they want medical of members who arent coming ?
Because if they are part of the family (dependent children) and is not coming in this application, they can be sponsor in the future.
This is a process for all routes of immigration. In case of non-spousal or economical or PGP that includes depedents that aren't yet coming, they want to make sure that all pass medical. Because once the application is approved, the members who "aren't coming now" can come in the future.

And note, family memebers are PA, spouse/common law partner and dependent children. Don't mix it up with "additional family members".
 

armoured

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I honestly don’t understand why they’ve requested for the same ADR once again. I am confused if the content is incorrect or the upload didn’t go through.

I checked the portal I could see the upload has happened and I called IRCC to confirm this today the agent mentioned that she can see the updated schedule A .
She mentioned that only case officer will knows the exact reason, Go and resubmit in the portal as well as send the LOE via webform. I am not convinced by the response and this is our last chance or we are facing 5 year ban.

She also said the case officer notes state it wasn’t uploaded properly and I don’t get what they mean by that and she wasn’t sure either.
Unfortunately don't have much more than a guess, and doubt anyone else except the officer in question will. (I would suggest/have suggested ordering GCMS notes both before and after to be sure but likely to late for that now)

My simple and straightforward guess: the note not uploaded properly might well have been made before one of the two ways you submitted was received. (Ie the upload did not work but webform did - no idea)

Visa officer may well have missed and thought it hadn't been done, set the process underway to request you to resubmit.

In other words, simple bureaucratic mistake.

BUT: I have no idea and I could be very much wrong - there is actually not that much information above (because messages repeat). The only options I see (realistically) are for you to triple-check everything once again and re-submit, or consult a lawyer and triple-check and re-submit (with the lawyer's input).
 

Canadapro0910

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Oct 29, 2021
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Because if they are part of the family (dependent children) and is not coming in this application, they can be sponsor in the future.
This is a process for all routes of immigration. In case of non-spousal or economical or PGP that includes depedents that aren't yet coming, they want to make sure that all pass medical. Because once the application is approved, the members who "aren't coming now" can come in the future.

And note, family memebers are PA, spouse/common law partner and dependent children. Don't mix it up with "additional family members".
wow, thats intresting !
So when they say all should pass medical , will they be getting medical request from ircc ? Because without which they wont be able to do medicals without request letter in hospitals.
 

YVR123

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Jul 27, 2017
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wow, thats intresting !
So when they say all should pass medical , will they be getting medical request from ircc ? Because without which they wont be able to do medicals without request letter in hospitals.
YES if they are part of the application.
Which immigration route did you apply?
 
Oct 29, 2021
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Firstly thanks for all your responses. This goes a long way and means alot. I have applied gcms twice and I havent received both in the last 90 days. I even sent them emails regarding the same and I haven't heard back.

@armoured thanks a lot. Regarding 'the note not uploaded properly'- I had a telephonic conversation with ircc agent and she confirmed that she is able to view the attachment both in the email as well as the portal, however, she mentioned that I need to remove the line "I was unable to attach my letter of explanation along with this form due to file limit, hence I have also sent my LOE with details to IRCC.CNMissRequestedDocs-DocsDemandesMissRC.IRCC@cic.gc.ca for their additional reference." from the details box of the form and reupload the form in the portal and send the form and LOE via webform as well. But I strongly feel that the answer she gave was not satisfactory and told me that to cut short the call abruptly.

Since its my last time to fix this and if I dont give what the case officer needs, they might ban us for 5 years. We have a very genuine and straightforward case and It is really disheartening to see this extended delay.

I am inclined to consult a lawyer and obtain their inputs however there are tons of stories out there of lawyers being expensive and scamming at the time of need.

Request you to kindly recommend lawyers for me to work with in Victoria,BC.

Thanks again for all your responses. Means a lot.

If there are any other thoughts about this case too, please let me know.

I truly appreciate all your help
 

Canadapro0910

Newbie
Oct 29, 2021
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YES if they are part of the application.
Which immigration route did you apply?
so if there is no children and no one is part of application except pa , is it enough only if PA completes? Cause for me it shows as remedical passed.

i have got the same copy paste ad above query.i am the pa , applied outland spousal sponsorship- sponsor in canada.
 

Canadapro0910

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Oct 29, 2021
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so if there is no children and no one is part of application except pa , is it enough only if PA completes? Cause for me it shows as remedical passed.

i have got the same copy paste ad above query.i am the pa , applied outland spousal sponsorship- sponsor in canada.
Adr*
 

YVR123

VIP Member
Jul 27, 2017
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so if there is no children and no one is part of application except pa , is it enough only if PA completes? Cause for me it shows as remedical passed.

i have got the same copy paste ad above query.i am the pa , applied outland spousal sponsorship- sponsor in canada.
If there is no children, and it's an outland spousal sponsorship, then there is NO dependent.
What is your concern? Family is just sponsor + PA.

If you get the same letter, then you need to submit schedule A and update anything information that has been changed.
 
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