Sorry about the therm "ridiculous" , clearly I was not mean, your sentence , because I've heard that 1000 times and I argue a lot about that it isn't true statement
Does immigrant's CV has a value?
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No worries. Indeed, the whole Canadian experience thing is just ridiculous especially for STEM jobs. Laws of physics work the same in every country. But it is what it is.
Speaking from a STEM perspective, I'd suggest be very cautious about the Canadian job market before making any moves. Canada is significantly different than the US and the EU in terms of STEM job market and employers' perspective on immigrants. This is partly due to the fact that there are very, I mean VERY, few STEM jobs in Canada by any standards. Citizens take the available jobs first and the immigrants fight for the remaining positions.
But I could also tell you the story of dozens of people I personally know who found decent STEM jobs straight out of MEng, MSc, or PhD in Canada. They used their network (i.e. their supervisors found them those jobs), it always works. When one doesn't wanna do that additional Canadian degree, what we see is one has to search a "survival job" (lower salary and position than you'd normally deserve), so that they can claim some "Canadian experience" later in their job hunt.
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Just for clarification, what I wrote were not my own thoughts, but rather what I saw and heard Canadian employers do. So be prepared. Although everyone's journey and luck is different, you can say that what I wrote more or less represents the situation of the job hunt in Canada for (non-software) engineers.
I should also add that software and IT people usually have an easier time in Canada during their job hunt. If you're a software or an IT person, you're among the luckier group of immigrants I'd say.
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Your both comments has a lot to me and quite valuable , additional of copy that I memories it ,
I believe should have a solution to tackle such a this dilemma , dilemma here means , 99% of immigration's reason has always been due to life quality and it means you could have at least work , everything is related to your job, nevertheless, while you don't have job , no money , no future , nothing, even this country is called "Opportunity Country".
I'm not lawyer but the massive amount of application from immigrants would be based on STEM field as you mentioned, at least, I could see through here or another channels .
fearsome fact!
sorry please clarify this: very few STEM jobs
or very few STEM jobs following standard way for hiring/employing process?
which one?
So please verify this also
so where is potential and skills and ability here ?
among a Citizen without skills and ability and a new comers with full high potential , still citizen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so it's not discrimination ?Or some kinds of regulation there?
so, finally you mean , Canadian degree , is compulsory !
Oh, I see, you mean , IT man is exceptional
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First of all when I say engineering, I mean non-software engineering. So think like mechanical, electronics, chemical etc.
To see how the STEM job market in Canada is behind the US and EU, you can search jobs on say LinkedIn and compare how many jobs you find in Canada that you like and say in Germany. At least in engineering, most Canadian jobs are at startups or small companies. As you'd imagine startups and small companies usually can't employ many people so there are less number of positions available at a time.
About citizens getting the jobs first, of course a much more skilled immigrant with proper English skills would take the job. But the thing is, usually whenever there's a skilled immigrant, there's also a skilled citizen wanting the job. So it's not always easy. It's usually not voiced but, assuming similar skill levels and experience, many companies will prefer employing a citizen to an immigrant. There is no law dictating that employers must prefer citizens though. That being said, if you're a very skilled immigrant with good experience and outstanding English skills, you don't have to worry about losing a job to a citizen; you'll do just fine. Also please note that, again for engineers, immigrants (and also citizens) have to obtain the license to practice engineering in Canada. Citizens of same level of experience usually already have their licenses but since an immigrant has just landed, they usually don't have the license and are at a disadvantage until they receive their license.
To wrap up; if you're an engineer, finding a job you'll like in Canada won't be very easy. Most immigrants eventually find jobs they like but the search may take up to 6 months or a year, or even more. You may even need to work "survival jobs" which are not uncommon. Canada is not a "land of opportunity" in the same meaning the US would be. It has its challenges so one must be aware. I wouldn't say immigrants face much of a discrimination in the job hunt but they sure are at a considerable disadvantage because of the nature of the things. While not necessary, getting an MEng or an MSc from a renowned Canadian university helps a lot if you focus on networking during your studies.
To see how the STEM job market in Canada is behind the US and EU, you can search jobs on say LinkedIn and compare how many jobs you find in Canada that you like and say in Germany. At least in engineering, most Canadian jobs are at startups or small companies. As you'd imagine startups and small companies usually can't employ many people so there are less number of positions available at a time.
About citizens getting the jobs first, of course a much more skilled immigrant with proper English skills would take the job. But the thing is, usually whenever there's a skilled immigrant, there's also a skilled citizen wanting the job. So it's not always easy. It's usually not voiced but, assuming similar skill levels and experience, many companies will prefer employing a citizen to an immigrant. There is no law dictating that employers must prefer citizens though. That being said, if you're a very skilled immigrant with good experience and outstanding English skills, you don't have to worry about losing a job to a citizen; you'll do just fine. Also please note that, again for engineers, immigrants (and also citizens) have to obtain the license to practice engineering in Canada. Citizens of same level of experience usually already have their licenses but since an immigrant has just landed, they usually don't have the license and are at a disadvantage until they receive their license.
To wrap up; if you're an engineer, finding a job you'll like in Canada won't be very easy. Most immigrants eventually find jobs they like but the search may take up to 6 months or a year, or even more. You may even need to work "survival jobs" which are not uncommon. Canada is not a "land of opportunity" in the same meaning the US would be. It has its challenges so one must be aware. I wouldn't say immigrants face much of a discrimination in the job hunt but they sure are at a considerable disadvantage because of the nature of the things. While not necessary, getting an MEng or an MSc from a renowned Canadian university helps a lot if you focus on networking during your studies.
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The best statement I've heard yet, thanks ,
engineers rather than IT firm you mean like mechanic , civil engineer and etc.
means , you pass your simple living cost, General job e.g. cashier or seller or driver
I think that there is a big fighting toward a hunting deserve job in Canada
one fact is numbers of companies are less than numbers of appliers then the skilled citizen has been in the queue
Oh! big challenge, unless , new comers start their own business, get the necessary license and commence his work
one fact is numbers of companies are less than numbers of appliers then the skilled citizen has been in the queue
Oh! big challenge, unless , new comers start their own business, get the necessary license and commence his work
The worst fact is , you're coming as a Federal skill worker , means you're skilled man , and search for 1 year to find a job in "opportunity Country" ha ha ha
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I can't say one wouldn't encouter such problems at all in the software/computer/IT field; and these are not my field so I don't have direct experience what life is like in Canada for these professionals, but I hear software/computer/IT people find easier time in Canada during the job hunt compared to other engineers or STEM. Also to answer your other question, to the best of my knowledge the software/computer/IT jobs don't require any license to practice so that also adds to why these professionals have easier time. For example the minimum time any non-software engineer (citizen or immigrant) can obtain the entry-level engineering license from APEGA is 4 months. Canada is definitely not a "land of opportunity" so prospective immigrants are adviced to do their research and be well prepared before moving to Canada.
Can within a friend or agency or any kinds of help obtain any career before move in ?
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Depends. For non-software engineering fields it's extremely hard for Canadian companies to employ an outlander who doesn't possess a work permit. Months of time and quite a bit of money goes into that so companies usually don't even consider outlanders (people without work permit). But again, I know some software people have been successful finding a job in Canada before moving to Canada. I don't know too much since I'm not in software or IT but people talk about headhunters who really help outlanders find jobs in Canada before coming to Canada. I've never heard of that for my field (engineering) though; in engineering your chances are really zero. I've also never heard of any agencies who can help engineers in that way.
But, if that friend of yours has a good network he might just be able to convince people to employ you. After all, it's just about how much trouble the company is willing to go through for you. If they like your friend enough, or if your friend happens to be high enough in the ranks of the company, they could eventually employ you on a closed work permit.
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As I said, if you don't have a valid work permit in Canada, it is such a hassle for Canadian employers to employ you because of the law. The employer would have to spend months of time and quite a bit of money to be able to employ you on a closed work permit. Really, no employer will want to do that; unless you're really really good and that employer wants to employ you really really much. Hope that was clear.