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After that, you also need to consider that one ITA = around 2.23 landed immigrants if the application is approved. You might want to recalibrate your analysis.
The chart says ‘number of landings’…Would it be safe to assume it already accounts for dependents?
 

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What a nice job IRCC! It seems like no application has been delayed
It is sad to see how IRCC is treating its outland customers. If IRCC was a private company, their ass would have bankrupted long time ago due to poor service and customer support. This is modern day slavery where they are controlling our time without compensating us.
 

47thRonnin

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2.23? really? with these numbers that you said they can easily reach 108,000 target by sending only70,000 ita per year. Till now, in 7.5 months, they have already sent 94,653. Something is wrong here I guess
Well according to experts (Kubair/Steven Meurrens) it averages out to around that. Pre-pandemic, we usually had around 80-90k yearly ITAs for all Economic programmes combined. We did not have 27k draws or even 6k draws like we have had this year.

Marco and his minions might be annoying right now, but they are not dull. They will hit that 108k Highly Skilled target if they continue at this pace with only the CEC applications.
 
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47thRonnin

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The chart says ‘number of landings’…Would it be safe to assume it already accounts for dependents?
Not sure what you mean but all I am saying is that your assumption that IRCC will need FSW to make up the 108k highly skilled target is invalid. Looking at the number of CEC invites for the year and the pace of processing which has ramped up (16k for June as per the chart, July and August not yet reflected), they probably would not.

My best guess is that we post AOR outlanders will make up deficiencies in other areas for the 401k target.

But hey, at the end of the day, we are all guessing. We might both be wrong. Only Marco knows his plans for us.
 

dxdroid

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Just need those draws to resume. At least we won’t land till late next year or early 2023 :)
I am trying to think positively and I think that processing times will have to speed up. My guess is that for anyone who will receive an ITA this year - if FSW will resume - we will land there in 2022. Unless you will have a little bit more complex application that will take longer time to process
 

Haku13

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Well according to experts (Kubair/Steven Meurrens) it averages out to around that. Pre-pandemic, we usually had around 80-90k yearly ITAs for all Economic programmes combined. We did not have 27k draws or even 6k draws like we have had this year.

Marco and his minions might be annoying right now, but they are not dull. They will hit that 108k Highly Skilled target if they continue at this pace with only the CEC applications.
With a 30% rejection/refusal rate and 2.23 for the dependents, 85,000 ITA would result in 132,685 immigrants just for the economic class. It's even higher than the ambitious target of this year. It means not only they did not increase their target this year, but they also have decreased it significantly.
So, these 30% and 2.23 don't make sense.

It seems that we don't have enough data to reach the number of immigrants base on the ITAs. Also, we can't conclude how many ITAs IRCC need to process for the rest of the year in order to reach their annual target. Can they reach their target by just processing CEC or not? It seems impossible to answer.
 

dxdroid

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Guys do not forget that they can start issuing COPRs to FSW Outlands applicants that already received the ITA. So once they will flood them they might come closer. I do not think they will achieve that with only CEC
 

47thRonnin

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With a 30% rejection/refusal rate and 2.23 for the dependents, 85,000 ITA would result in 132,685 immigrants just for the economic class. It's even higher than the ambitious target of this year. It means not only they did not increase their target this year, but they also have decreased it significantly.
So, these 30% and 2.23 don't make sense.

It seems that we don't have enough data to reach the number of immigrants base on the ITAs. Also, we can't conclude how many ITAs IRCC need to process for the rest of the year in order to reach their annual target. Can they reach their target by just processing CEC or not? It seems impossible to answer.
I am only repeating what has been said by the experts. You seem to be doing calcs using a hard 30% and not leaving a margin for errors. They / I said 30%+ meaning probably higher than 30%.

2019, 83,500 ITAs gave us 109,595 admissions to Canada as per IRCC figures. Let’s use a generous 35-37% refusal/declined rate. That is about 2.08 landings per application. The maths seems right. The calcs might not be bang on, but they are close. These are some of Kubair’s posts on this. There is a recent one from last month as well.
 
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Not sure what you mean but all I am saying is that your assumption that IRCC will need FSW to make up the 108k highly skilled target is invalid. Looking at the number of CEC invites for the year and the pace of processing which has ramped up (16k for June as per the chart, July and August not yet reflected), they probably would not.

My best guess is that we post AOR outlanders will make up deficiencies in other areas for the 401k target.

But hey, at the end of the day, we are all guessing. We might both be wrong. Only Marco knows his plans for us.
After 7 September when the travel restrictions are removed, there will be no excuse left for IRCC to not finalize outland apps. If they continue to give priority to inland apps while holding back COPRs of outlanders then people should forget about Canada for this disgraceful treatment alone.
I'm sure this won't happen though.
 

absi

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After 7 September when the travel restrictions are removed, there will be no excuse left for IRCC to not finalize outland apps. If they continue to give priority to inland apps while holding back COPRs of outlanders then people should forget about Canada for this disgraceful treatment alone.
I'm sure this won't happen though.
After september, mostly they go on vacation for Thanksgiving and Christmas. So sorry to be a Debby downer. But files may be kept in queue.
 
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Haku13

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For those who might be curious about the relation between the number of ITAs and final admissions :)

According to the IRCC 2020 annual report to the parliament, the number of permanent residents admitted in 2019 for FSW, FST and CEC, was 92,242. Also, the number of ITAs for these three categories in the second half of 2018 and the first half of 2019 was approximately between 83,000 - 86,000 ITAs.

It seems with the refusal rate, and the average number of family members of applicants, the number of ITAs and final landing people are really close together and there isn't a huge difference between them, at least according to my search. :)
 
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