my sister is 28 years old. she was refused a visitor visa.

[memo1212]

I am a Canadian citizen and I live in Ontario.
she is in my home country Syria. she is doing her master's degree. she was refused based on: - her travel history, - her family ties over there ( she is not married there) - she doesn't have income there.

what are the options to help her come here?
what if I find her a volunteer opportunity in an organization here? would she be able to get a visa then? and would that be a work permit or study permit?

 

[scylla]

I am a Canadian citizen and I live in Ontario.
she is in my home country Syria. she is doing her master's degree. she was refused based on: - her travel history, - her family ties over there ( she is not married there) - she doesn't have income there.

what are the options to help her come here?
what if I find her a volunteer opportunity in an organization here? would she be able to get a visa then? and would that be a work permit or study permit?

No - a volunteer opportunity will not allow her to get a visa.

 

[memo1212]

are you sure Scylla?
I imagine many European university-aged people come to Canada to work in here: doing internships which is very similar to volunteering. it's basically a job that you don't get paid to do.

 

[canuck78]

are you sure Scylla?
I imagine many European university-aged people come to Canada to work in here: doing internships which is very similar to volunteering. it's basically a job that you don't get paid to do.

It is difficult for most young people to get TRVs because they don’t tend to have strong ties (longterm good jobs, oen property, etc.), don’t have a lot of savings and May not have much of an international travel history to countries like the US, UK, Australia, etc. Getting a work permit to do an internship required an LMIA and a WP in most cases. Most employers are unwilling to go through the time and expense to hire an international student for a summer job of internship unless they have a very rare set of skills. Some may be LMIA exempt but the majority will have to prove that there is nobody able to work in Canada who could do the job. Your sister has a larger obstacle because she comes from Syria. There will be concerns that she will apply for asylum as soon as she lands in Canada. I would suggest she try to work towards qualifying for express entry if she wants to move to Canada. It looks like you may have sponsored your parents which creates even more concern that your sister will attempt to remain in Canada because a large portion of your family will be living in Canada.

 

[YVR123]

are you sure Scylla?
I imagine many European university-aged people come to Canada to work in here: doing internships which is very similar to volunteering. it's basically a job that you don't get paid to do.

volunteering is very different from internships. The skill level and knowledge is different.

Why don't you ask your sister to apply for internship since she is doing her master's.

 

[scylla]

are you sure Scylla?
I imagine many European university-aged people come to Canada to work in here: doing internships which is very similar to volunteering. it's basically a job that you don't get paid to do.

Sure - technically it's feasible. However it's not realistically going to happen.

Any European individuals you see here have almost certainly come through the Working Holiday Visa program which grants them an open work permit without needing a job offer or approved LMIA from an employer. Unfortunately this option isn't open to your sister.

Your sister would need to get a work permit. This would involve having a job offer from an employer first and then that employer would need to go through the process of obtaining an approved LMIA (long expensive process with no guarantee of approval and the employer also has to prove that no Canadian could be found for the role / opportunity). I think you'll really struggle to find an organization willing to go through this process. However you can certainly try.

I think her realistic options are:
- Get a study permit to pursue full time studies in Canada at either the Master's or PhD level.
- Qualify and apply to immigrate once she has finished school and has at least one year of work experience full time in a skilled job.

 

[memo1212]

It is difficult for most young people to get TRVs because they don’t tend to have strong ties (longterm good jobs, oen property, etc.), don’t have a lot of savings and May not have much of an international travel history to countries like the US, UK, Australia, etc. Getting a work permit to do an internship required an LMIA and a WP in most cases. Most employers are unwilling to go through the time and expense to hire an international student for a summer job of internship unless they have a very rare set of skills. Some may be LMIA exempt but the majority will have to prove that there is nobody able to work in Canada who could do the job. Your sister has a larger obstacle because she comes from Syria. There will be concerns that she will apply for asylum as soon as she lands in Canada. I would suggest she try to work towards qualifying for express entry if she wants to move to Canada. It looks like you may have sponsored your parents which creates even more concern that your sister will attempt to remain in Canada because a large portion of your family will be living in Canada.

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My sister has a BA in French Literature from the University of Damascus. and her master's degree is under process.
I read that there is something called Francophone Mobility Program and employers are not required for LMIA.

can an employer apply for her for an internship position ( unpaid position) under the Francophone Mobility Program?
to be honest with you. I think my best bet is to convince an employer of an unpaid position. because I am worried not many employers will want to give a job to someone without a Canadian experience.

and then if I must find her a job, can she come under skilled job category A? if she has one year experience in Syria. and I found her a job opportunity in Canada.

by the way my mom is in Syria as well. she was refused to visit me as well. and I couldn't sponsor her with the parents sponsorship program as my income was not enough in the last few years.

 

[memo1212]

Sure - technically it's feasible. However it's not realistically going to happen.

Any European individuals you see here have almost certainly come through the Working Holiday Visa program which grants them an open work permit without needing a job offer or approved LMIA from an employer. Unfortunately this option isn't open to your sister.

Your sister would need to get a work permit. This would involve having a job offer from an employer first and then that employer would need to go through the process of obtaining an approved LMIA (long expensive process with no guarantee of approval and the employer also has to prove that no Canadian could be found for the role / opportunity). I think you'll really struggle to find an organization willing to go through this process. However you can certainly try.

I think her realistic options are:
- Get a study permit to pursue full time studies in Canada at either the Master's or PhD level.
- Qualify and apply to immigrate once she has finished school and has at least one year of work experience full time in a skilled job.

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My sister has a BA in French Literature from the University of Damascus. and her master's degree is under process.
I read that there is something called Francophone Mobility Program and employers are not required for LMIA.

1. can an employer apply for her for an internship position ( unpaid position) under the Francophone Mobility Program?
to be honest with you. I think my best bet is to convince an employer of an unpaid position. because I am worried not many employers will want to give a job to someone without a Canadian experience.

2. and then if I must find her a job, can she come under skilled job category A? if she has one year experience in Syria. and I found her a job opportunity in Canada.

 

[scylla]

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My sister has a BA in French Literature from the University of Damascus. and her master's degree is under process.
I read that there is something called Francophone Mobility Program and employers are not required for LMIA.

1. can an employer apply for her for an internship position ( unpaid position) under the Francophone Mobility Program?
to be honest with you. I think my best bet is to convince an employer of an unpaid position. because I am worried not many employers will want to give a job to someone without a Canadian experience.

2. and then if I must find her a job, can she come under skilled job category A? if she has one year experience in Syria. and I found her a job opportunity in Canada.

1. I don't know the answer to that question. I've never heard of anyone on this forum doing this. But that doesn't mean it's not possible. I personally think this is not the way to go for your sister and it would need to be a paid position for her to have any chance of getting the WP approved. Given a TRV has already been refused due to weak ties, she will need to make a convincing argument for coming to Canada on a work permit. IMO, I think that will be super tough if this is an unpaid role. From IRCC's perspective, I think it will just look like the TRV was refused and now she's trying to find any other way of getting to Canada.
2. Sure, it can be a NOC A job.

 

[memo1212]

1. I don't know the answer to that question. I've never heard of anyone on this forum doing this. But that doesn't mean it's not possible. I personally think this is not the way to go for your sister and it would need to be a paid position for her to have any chance of getting the WP approved. Given a TRV has already been refused due to weak ties, she will need to make a convincing argument for coming to Canada on a work permit. IMO, I think that will be super tough if this is an unpaid role. From IRCC's perspective, I think it will just look like the TRV was refused and now she's trying to find any other way of getting to Canada.
2. Sure, it can be a NOC A job.

NOC A job, doesn't require her to find a job in Canada before she comes, correct?
NOC A means that she has experience in a skilled job level A: professional jobs that call for a university degree: as a French teacher for instance for one year.

Thank you very much

 

[scylla]

NOC A job, doesn't require her to find a job in Canada before she comes, correct?
NOC A means that she has experience in a skilled job level A: professional jobs that call for a university degree: as a French teacher for instance for one year.

Thank you very much

I don't understand what you mean by this.

If she wants a work permit, she needs to secure a job offer in Canada first.

She can't get a work permit just based on having NOC A work experience in her home country.

 

[memo1212]

I don't understand what you mean by this.

If she wants a work permit, she needs to secure a job offer in Canada first.

She can't get a work permit just based on having NOC A work experience in her home country.

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I read this on canada.ca website

• Skill Level A:professional jobs that usually call for a degree from a university, such as:
  • doctors
  • dentists
  • architects

if what you are saying is correct then their examples are misleading.
doctors dentists and architects from another country can't practice in Canada immediately. even if they have a job offer. they need to obtain license from Canada first.
so I understood that someone with a skill level A can apply for the visa even if they don't have a skill level A job offer in Canada.

 

[scylla]

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I read this on canada.ca website

• Skill Level A:professional jobs that usually call for a degree from a university, such as:
  • doctors
  • dentists
  • architects

if what you are saying is correct then their examples are misleading.
doctors dentists and architects from another country can't practice in Canada immediately. even if they have a job offer. they need to obtain license from Canada first.
so I understood that someone with a skill level A can apply for the visa even if they don't have a skill level A job offer in Canada.

You'll need to provide the link where you got that so that I can understand the context.

Nothing you've posted above is misleading to me. It's classifying what a NOC A job is. That has nothing to do with a work permit and actually working in Canada.

To answer your last question, no - someone with skill level A work experience cannot simply apply for a work permit without having a job offer in Canada. If that was true, there would be millions of people coming over here.

 

[memo1212]

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/eligibility/find-national-occupation-code.html

all I am saying is any hospital in Canada can't hire a doctor from another country immediately. the same is for a dentist.
no doctor can simply come from another country and practice in here.

so I meant putting these examples for a NOC A job is not accurate. and made me think that you don't need to have a job offer.

 

[scylla]

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/eligibility/find-national-occupation-code.html

all I am saying is any hospital in Canada can't hire a doctor from another country immediately. the same is for a dentist.
no doctor can simply come from another country and practice in here.

so I meant putting these examples for a NOC A job is not accurate. and made me think that you don't need to have a job offer.

You seem to be extremely confused about what NOC A means. NOCs are a classification system that determines the skill level of a person's work experience based on their occupation. It doesn't matter if that work experience was gained in Canada or in other country.

Nothing in the above link is misleading. It's indicating that you need to have work experience in a NOC A, B or 0 role in order to apply to immigrate through the Express Entry program. Express Entry is an immigration program that leads to permanent residency (it is not a work permit program).

All of this has nothing to do with whether a job offer is required to get a work permit. Nothing in the link above indicates that people who are NOC A can come to Canada on a work permit without a job offer. Work permits aren't at all covered in the link you've provided.