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dankboi

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If you want to risk messing around with your application, intentionally doing poorly on the exam, and choosing the lower score (even though the instructions explicitly tell you to choose the higher score), then go for it. Nobody knows if trying to lower your score would count as misrepresentation, but considering the intent, I wouldn't be surprised if it is.

I say the same thing for people with a measly B2 in french and picking that as their first language to get into the score range of Ontario french draws. Especially considering the EE profile creating page mentions to choose both options and pick the higher score. Yeah good luck living in fear of this ever coming up in the future and having to explain why you intentionally manipulated your score.

At the end of the day, you're trying to game the system. To be fair, the system happens to be a little broken right now, in the sense that lower scores are being rewarded and higher scores are being punished, but fact would remain that you tried to game it. Whether or not that will count as misrepresentation, I have no idea. To me, the risk is not worth having my application getting rejected, or worse, getting a PR and then this being brought up and affecting the citizenship application in the future.
yes i'd prefer a late ITA and all delays rather living in fear that one day IRCC would chase me leading to the removal of PR / Citizenship status after living there for years. A little patience is always rewarding. If FSW's don't resume then there is still an option left to choose.
 

seadrag0n

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If you want to risk messing around with your application, intentionally doing poorly on the exam, and choosing the lower score (even though the instructions explicitly tell you to choose the higher score), then go for it. Nobody knows if trying to lower your score would count as misrepresentation, but considering the intent, I wouldn't be surprised if it is.

I say the same thing for people with a measly B2 in french and picking that as their first language to get into the score range of Ontario french draws. Especially considering the EE profile creating page mentions to choose both options and pick the higher score. Yeah good luck living in fear of this ever coming up in the future and having to explain why you intentionally manipulated your score.

At the end of the day, you're trying to game the system. To be fair, the system happens to be a little broken right now, in the sense that lower scores are being rewarded and higher scores are being punished, but fact would remain that you tried to game it. Whether or not that will count as misrepresentation, I have no idea. To me, the risk is not worth having my application getting rejected, or worse, getting a PR and then this being brought up and affecting the citizenship application in the future.
Doesn't matter if you did poorly because the new test result itself will be valid, why would that cause any issue?
 

dankboi

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Doesn't matter if you did poorly because the new test result itself will be valid, why would that cause any issue?
because IRCC has the logs of all changes (with timestamps) we made to the profile which could lead to a suspicion that we tried to manipulate. if lucky we will never be caught, but as an applicant we don't have the control over their actions.
 

seadrag0n

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because IRCC has the logs of all changes (with timestamps) we made to the profile which could lead to a suspicion that we tried to manipulate. if lucky we will never be caught, but as an applicant we don't have the control over their actions.
Never seen anyone getting rejected because of changes in EE profile before ITA, what reason could they give? Even if they did, the reason for refusal must sound really stupid.
 

dankboi

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Never seen anyone getting rejected because of changes in EE profile before ITA, what reason could they give? Even if they did, the reason for refusal must sound really stupid.
Yes some of the reasons sounds dumb but not a reason not to refuse. Just cause you never seen doesn't make it never happened, the data published by IRCC indicates how many applications are being rejected an year. they don't specify reasons. someone may have been caught for manipulation in the past. Some individuals out of embarrassment they never talk about it , yet there are folks who openly discuss about their refusals, deportation and felonies they did. There is one individual here who was deported on the basis of prostitution from another country and now applying to Canada EE.
The guy who posted the game play seems unaware that every scrutiny and possible searches will be made to check about the individual's activities online and irl , and he presumes nobody can hold his post against him. Is it he underestimating the IRCC / CBSA / INTERPOL ?

This guy ain't even an outland applicant, but an inland international graduate where the federal government is trying to pull maximum international grads to PR and he is thinking of gaming with the system.
Let him play. Nobody got shit to do.
 
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seadrag0n

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Yes some of the reasons sounds dumb but not a reason not to refuse. Just cause you never seen doesn't make it never happened, the data published by IRCC indicates how many applications are being rejected an year. they don't specify reasons. someone may have been caught for manipulation in the past. Some individuals out of embarrassment they never talk about it , yet there are folks who openly discuss about their refusals, deportation and felonies they did. There is one individual here who was deported on the basis of prostitution from another country and now applying to Canada EE.
The guy who posted the game play seems unaware that every scrutiny and possible searches will be made to check about the individual's activities online and irl , and he presumes nobody can hold his post against him. Is it he underestimating the IRCC / CBSA / INTERPOL ?

This guy ain't even an outland applicant, but an inland international graduate where the federal government is trying to pull maximum international grads to PR and he is thinking of gaming with the system.
Let him play. Nobody got shit to do.
Maybe @legalfalcon has idea about this?
 
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Doesn't matter if you did poorly because the new test result itself will be valid, why would that cause any issue?
Because you're choosing a worse score while a better one is still valid. The intent there is clear, to fall into the OINP range. You would remove your older scores, add the new ones that reduces your CRS. You want to create a whole new profile with the lower scores, so there's no historical evidence of the manipulation, then go for it. All in all, you're just putting yourself in a situation where you may have to lie.

The EE profile creation page mentions specifically to choose your highest available score. I don't think intentionally choosing a lower score will count as misrepresentation, but with the unpredictability already at play, are you sure you want to ask people to take that risk?
 

seadrag0n

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Because you're choosing a worse score while a better one is still valid. The intent there is clear, to fall into the OINP range. You would remove your older scores, add the new ones that reduces your CRS. You want to create a whole new profile with the lower scores, so there's no historical evidence of the manipulation, then go for it. All in all, you're just putting yourself in a situation where you may have to lie.

The EE profile creation page mentions specifically to choose your highest available score. I don't think intentionally choosing a lower score will count as misrepresentation, but with the unpredictability already at play, are you sure you want to ask people to take that risk?
I don't think VO will check changes made to EE profile before receiving ITA but they surely do after receiving ITA to see the changes and if the score falls below the minimum score for that round. You are allowed to make any number of changes to your EE profile before receiving ITA.
 

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Because you're choosing a worse score while a better one is still valid. The intent there is clear, to fall into the OINP range. You would remove your older scores, add the new ones that reduces your CRS. You want to create a whole new profile with the lower scores, so there's no historical evidence of the manipulation, then go for it. All in all, you're just putting yourself in a situation where you may have to lie.

The EE profile creation page mentions specifically to choose your highest available score. I don't think intentionally choosing a lower score will count as misrepresentation, but with the unpredictability already at play, are you sure you want to ask people to take that risk?
If the lower score is his most recent score... I don’t see any problem with that. Ps.. I’m not sure the EE profile actually says choose your highest score.. even if it does it goes to no issue. If I recall correctly, the same pool says the information you put in there will not be used for your decision unless and till you receive an ITA. I for one did not declare all my employment, in the pool, immediately I got upto 3 years in my current work place, i took out all my previous employment cause I don’t want to go around begging for reference letter. At the end of the day, IRCC works with verifying what you have given them.. my thoughts though
 

seadrag0n

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If the lower score is his most recent score... I don’t see any problem with that. Ps.. I’m not sure the EE profile actually says choose your highest score.. even if it does it goes to no issue. If I recall correctly, the same pool says the information you put in there will not be used for your decision unless and till you receive an ITA. I for one did not declare all my employment, in the pool, immediately I got upto 3 years in my current work place, i took out all my previous employment cause I don’t want to go around begging for reference letter. At the end of the day, IRCC works with verifying what you have given them.. my thoughts though
Correct, they verify things that you claimed points for, simple.
 
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Sure but I'm not going to sit around hypothesizing and giving people dubious advice when I myself don't intend to take a similar risk. Simple.

If someone with actual experience on such things comes forward and says it's fine (or if there is official information on the matter), then sure, go for it. But I'm not going to take advice on matters that can potentially impact my life from some random forum that specializes in throwing around baseless theories.
 
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