Ray of hope - FSW - 1

[willapp]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/05/01/canada-will-require-a-vaccine-passport-for-entry/?sh=6a8ca40f1a71

Wonder if this means we'll be required to be vaccinated before we can go to Canada to activate our PR.

South Africa's vaccine roll-out is exceptionally slow, and mine will only be next year sometime, so that won't be good news. I'd be fine with tests and quarantining. Can't get a vaccine any faster though.

It’s not gonna apply to all people for sure. I took the vaccine in the us and the us has no plan for a vaccine passport so it won’t even work with the us Canada border.

 

[Frisk]

I once had to travel to a certain part of Colombia.
I’m European and I don’t really have antibodies for tropical diseases.

Well, to be able to go where I wanted to go I needed a yellow fever vaccine. Colombian nationals didn’t require one to go there even if they were unvaccinated. But Europeans were know to be very sensitive to yellow fever so to be able to get in I was required to have a yellow fever vaccination card.

For me, it was provided for free in the airport before boarding the plane and didn’t have any issues.

If one single dose vaccines become the rule, I see very feasible to be vaccinated at the very same airport and need to show proof of vaccination or a negative PCR before boarding the plane.

 

[Uncle Yayo]

It’s not gonna apply to all people for sure. I took the vaccine in the us and the us has no plan for a vaccine passport so it won’t even work with the us Canada border.

It will in due time. You just watch

 

[ZAtoCD]

I once had to travel to a certain part of Colombia.
I’m European and I don’t really have antibodies for tropical diseases.

Well, to be able to go where I wanted to go I needed a yellow fever vaccine. Colombian nationals didn’t require one to go there even if they were unvaccinated. But Europeans were know to be very sensitive to yellow fever so to be able to get in I was required to have a yellow fever vaccination card.

For me, it was provided for free in the airport before boarding the plane and didn’t have any issues.

If one single dose vaccines become the rule, I see very feasible to be vaccinated at the very same airport and need to show proof of vaccination or a negative PCR before boarding the plane.

I would be so down for that! It's a win-win for me, since it would give me a vaccine way faster than my own government can. Yeah, my family had to get yellow fever ones for visiting Namibia too.

 

[SovonHalder]

I read something about the process of Citizenship by normalisation, according to which even after a decade of becoming a citizen, Canadian govt. can take it away should they be able to prove in the federal court about any criminality or violations or misrepresentations in the original immigration process of an individual.

Also I read somewhere about Dual Citizenship and another fact pertaining to it which says Canada (or any other country?) can't make someone "Stateless".

So on a hypothetical situation - If person X who is originally from a country that does not support dual citizenship revokes the citizenship of his former country after becoming a Canadian citizen, what happens to him 15 years later if the Canadian government can prove him guilty of something and decides to deport him?

 

[ZAtoCD]

I read something about the process of Citizenship by normalisation, according to which even after a decade of becoming a citizen, Canadian govt. can take it away should they be able to prove in the federal court about any criminality or violations or misrepresentations in the original immigration process of an individual.

Also I read somewhere about Dual Citizenship and another fact pertaining to it which says Canada (or any other country?) can't make someone "Stateless".

So on a hypothetical situation - If person X who is originally from a country that does not support dual citizenship revokes the citizenship of his former country after becoming a Canadian citizen, what happens to him 15 years later if the Canadian government can prove him guilty of something and decides to deport him?

Why are you concerned about this hypothetical situation?

 

[Windsor37]

I read something about the process of Citizenship by normalisation, according to which even after a decade of becoming a citizen, Canadian govt. can take it away should they be able to prove in the federal court about any criminality or violations or misrepresentations in the original immigration process of an individual.

Also I read somewhere about Dual Citizenship and another fact pertaining to it which says Canada (or any other country?) can't make someone "Stateless".

So on a hypothetical situation - If person X who is originally from a country that does not support dual citizenship revokes the citizenship of his former country after becoming a Canadian citizen, what happens to him 15 years later if the Canadian government can prove him guilty of something and decides to deport him?

Did a quick search and this came up:

Article 8 of the United Nations Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness states that a state is not in breach of its obligations should it render a person stateless for having obtained the status through fraud or misrepresentation.

In order to comply with Canada’s obligations under the United Nations Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness, subsection 10.4(1) of the SCCA provides that revocation of citizenship on the grounds of being convicted of terrorism, high treason, treason, or spying offences, or of being a member of an armed force or organized armed group engaged in armed conflict with Canada will apply only to persons with dual citizenship. The Minister must have reasonable grounds to believe that the person is a citizen of another country before pursuing revocation under these grounds. Subsection 10.4(2) of the SCCA provides that the onus rests with the individual to prove, on a balance of probabilities, that they are not a citizen of another country.

Source: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/canadian-citizenship/acquisition-loss/revocation.html

So my guess, is they'll remain Canadian.

 

[SovonHalder]

Why are you concerned about this hypothetical situation?

I have given so much time and effort into this immigration since 2019 only to end up in this unfortunate of a situation. I can't find anything better to do right now other than waiting and reading up on all sorts of irrelevant articles.

 

[scylla]

I have given so much time and effort into this immigration since 2019 only to end up in this unfortunate of a situation. I can't find anything better to do right now other than waiting and reading up on all sorts of irrelevant articles.

Citizenship will only be revoked if PR and/or citizenship were obtained through a serious misrepresentation.

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

Did a quick search and this came up:

Article 8 of the United Nations Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness states that a state is not in breach of its obligations should it render a person stateless for having obtained the status through fraud or misrepresentation.

In order to comply with Canada’s obligations under the United Nations Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness, subsection 10.4(1) of the SCCA provides that revocation of citizenship on the grounds of being convicted of terrorism, high treason, treason, or spying offences, or of being a member of an armed force or organized armed group engaged in armed conflict with Canada will apply only to persons with dual citizenship. The Minister must have reasonable grounds to believe that the person is a citizen of another country before pursuing revocation under these grounds. Subsection 10.4(2) of the SCCA provides that the onus rests with the individual to prove, on a balance of probabilities, that they are not a citizen of another country.

Source: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/canadian-citizenship/acquisition-loss/revocation.html

So my guess, is they'll remain Canadian.

It's almost as if googling is a thing haha

 

[Carmen01]

Painful Truth: Canada’s immigration hopes may not be enough in post-COVID world
Painful Truth: Canada’s immigration hopes may not be enough in post-COVID world
If Canada’s economic growth is based on strong immigration, what happens if there aren’t enough immigrants?

Way back at the beginning of the pandemic, last April, I wrote about how we weren’t going to have a baby boom due to being locked up inside for months on end, as so many people smugly predicted.
I just want to note, for the record, that I was completely right.
The baby bust has arrived on schedule in almost every country on earth, with birth rates dropping sharply around December and January – nine months after the pandemic lockdown restrictions kicked in.

In March 2020, there were 3,659 babies born in B.C. In March 2021, there were 2,016. Still, Canada’s birthrate has been below replacement rate for nearly 50 years now. We’re a growing country because we have a successful immigration program, right? Well, we had one. And maybe someday we’ll have one again, but for now, also because of the pandemic, arrivals are way down. Canada welcomed 184,624 immigrants in 2020, about a third below the federal target of 341,000.

Ottawa had already set ambitious targets for the next several years – 400,000 to 421,000 new immigrants every year from 2021 to 2023. It’s hard to see how we hit this year’s goal, either. Are we going to try to play catch up, cramming in 500,000 new arrivals a year? Not without some serious re-thinking of how we process new Canadians, we’re not.

Streamlining immigration for students and via family reunification might be the easiest way to boost our immigration numbers, as well as giving a path to permanent residency to temporary foreign workers who are already here. The government has already made a few moves in that direction in recent months. But a long-term solution may be more difficult to find.

In a world where every country is seeing a baby bust, immigrants will be in increasingly short supply. Right now, there are only a handful of countries that embrace mass immigration. But Spain and South Korea, Hungary and Italy, Japan and even China are seeing populations peak or decline. COVID is accelerating that process.

Some of those countries will decide that their future has to be multicultural. In other words, they’re going to be competing with Canada for future immigrants. Meanwhile, the shrinking labour markets in many countries could see rising wages – that’s traditionally what happens when your labour force shrinks – and therefore, more incentives to stay at home.

In a decade, Canada, a country whose economy is built around steady immigration, could be facing low birth rates, and competition from both higher wages abroad and from other nations embracing our own immigration strategy.

Canada’s pitch to immigrants is simple – we’re a democratic, open society with a highly developed economy. Freedom plus opportunity. So what happens if other countries can offer just as much freedom and opportunity? What if, in fact, they can offer a better package – one that entices Canadians to pick up and move, too?

I planned to have 4 children but if they keep delaying , I’ll deduct one per year

 

[jsinghnijjar]

Hey guys... i am planning for a study permit seeing the condition of fsw draw.i have 9 years of study gap.
What documents need to be presented to justify the gap?
Tia

 

[SovonHalder]

So my guess, is they'll remain Canadian.

So their citizenship is taken away. Are they still technically "Canadian" if they don't have citizenship? But they stay in Canada. What happens then? How does that work?

 

[Windsor37]

So their citizenship is taken away. Are they still technically "Canadian" if they don't have citizenship? But they stay in Canada. What happens then? How does that work?

No, a "Canadian" by definition is a citizen of Canada. Based on the article, it stated that unless the original country of origin recognizes dual citizenship Canada cannot take their citizenship due to their UN commitment, which means, they remain Canadian, though behind bars most likely since they've committed a crime.

 

[dankboi]

Hey guys... i am planning for a study permit seeing the condition of fsw draw.i have 9 years of study gap.
What documents need to be presented to justify the gap?
Tia

oh so anyone here knows this ?