Ray of hope - FSW - 1

[Uncle Yayo]

You know that in this thread there are many FSW waiting anxiously for the travel restrictions to be lifted so they can get an ITA?
If you didn't want to go to Canada in the first place and prefer to work in your own country, why did you went through all the troubles of getting a PR then?

No need to attack him for what he said... he was being specific to his situation.. I don’t see why should find it insensitive.

 

[jrossi]

You know that in this thread there are many FSW waiting anxiously for the travel restrictions to be lifted so they can get an ITA?
If you didn't want to go to Canada in the first place and prefer to work in your own country, why did you went through all the troubles of getting a PR then?

Many of us prefer to move once unemployment rate is lower and more stable, restrictions are lifted, and so on... I would say this is by the far the smartest move. There's no point on rushing to enter the country, if we'll find potential lockdowns, lack of job opportunities, etc. At least, in my home country I still have my job, and I can continue to save a few more bucks to make my first months after landing easier.

 

[joconstantine]

You know that in this thread there are many FSW waiting anxiously for the travel restrictions to be lifted so they can get an ITA?
If you didn't want to go to Canada in the first place and prefer to work in your own country, why did you went through all the troubles of getting a PR then?

Please forgive my insensitivity. Don't get me wrong, I hope for the FSW draws to come back as soon as possible.

 

[Emil1]

Many of us prefer to move once unemployment rate is lower and more stable, restrictions are lifted, and so on... I would say this is by the far the smartest move. There's no point on rushing to enter the country, if we'll find potential lockdowns, lack of job opportunities, etc. At least, in my home country I still have my job, and I can continue to save a few more bucks to make my first months after landing easier.

I agree that there is no need to rush into de country, but people who already got a CoPR can just wait knowing that they are already permanent residents and all they have to do is to wait.
People like me who are waiting to get an ITA are in a completely different situation. We worked hard to have high scores to get an ITA, and yet, we don't know if we will get one.
I also don't mind waiting, if the government would just give me an ITA so I can be in a safest place.

Please forgive my insensitivity. Don't get me wrong, I hope for the FSW draws to come back as soon as possible.

Don't worry, I know that we all look first at our own situation. I'll probably do the same after I get an ITA, and after I get a CoPR. It is just frustrating to not know what will happen.

 

[jrossi]

I agree that there is no need to rush into de country, but people who already got a CoPR can just wait knowing that they are already permanent residents and all they have to do is to wait.
People like me who are waiting to get an ITA are in a completely different situation. We worked hard to have high scores to get an ITA, and yet, we don't know if we will get one.
I also don't mind waiting, if the government would just give me an ITA so I can be in a safest place.

I totally get your point. I didn't receive the ITA in March for the matter of 2 days! Because of that, I had to wait up until September to get my ITA. Every single day became a countdown to the next draw, to the hope of the return of general draws... I know how stressful that is, and I really hope you'll get yours ASAP. Waiting for the ITA is wayyyy more stressful than the wait for the PPR.

 

[EropbI4]

The draw will likely to be in place this Wednesday, thank me later. Inlanders will be selected.

 

[Raj R Kapoor]

The draw will likely to be in place this Wednesday, thank me later. Inlanders will be selected.

You mean FSW?

 

[ConstanceM]

You mean FSW?

nope, he means CEC only! To be honest, I expected a draw this morning for CEC only. “Magic” Saturday morning...

 

[coolgal]

At least they didn’t do what Australian govt did - ask all international students to leave the country. International students (or any temporary visa holders) never got any financial assistance, not to mention the ban to enter Australia imposed on all temporary visa holders.
I heard Canadian govt actually provided financial assistance to international students. Cannot imagine something like this happening in Australia.

No, international students did not get any financial assistance. They were working on the frontlines risking everything.

CESB was only for citizens and PR's.

Canada only let temporary visa holders in if they held a job. They put pressure on the airline staff to impose these rules even though the website said otherwise. Airline staff were whatsapping embassy staff at the gate to decide who flies in. They didn't care what the government website said.(sort of a shadow policy).

Airline blamed the government, the government blames the airline.

The NDP is keeping the liberals in check. Its a minority government right now.

Otherwise I wouldn't be surprised if they followed Australia. Sad to hear they did this, are the conservatives in power there ?

 

[coolgal]

Many of us prefer to move once unemployment rate is lower and more stable, restrictions are lifted, and so on... I would say this is by the far the smartest move. There's no point on rushing to enter the country, if we'll find potential lockdowns, lack of job opportunities, etc. At least, in my home country I still have my job, and I can continue to save a few more bucks to make my first months after landing easier.

Its a very smart thing to do. I know some people who got their Canadian citizenship and left to work outside/back to their old work place.

 

[txlonghorn]

Signed up today and went through the last 10 pages of this thread. Very interesting discussion.

I'm half Indian - raised in the middle east, spent a few years in India and the last 15 in the US. US citizen now, and received my ITA in the last FSW drawing (score was 468 - very lucky - would have been bumped down 5 points this year if I hadn't made it in). Visited Canada in 2018 & 2019, and loved it - the country is beautiful, the people (everyone from strangers to the air hostesss giving another asian couple instructions on how to hold their baby during take off) were much more approachable & friendlier than here in the US, and though there are probably few places where overt racism still exists, you can pick up subtle undertones in the US which I haven't sensed in Canada (granted, only visited for 1-2 weeks at a time).

I'm probably one of the privileged ones here and my opinions stem from where I am in life (easier to be rational - and demand rationality - when you're in a good place, easier to empathize when you're in a tough situation yourself) but I agree with some of what CoolGal and others have said - it's easy to keep your blinders on and hope for the best but factual information - whether you like the taste of it or not - may help someone else here, if not you. We as indians also generally like to 'manage' people and tell the world what to do (especially when it pertains to immigration policy) but dishing out thoughts on what is & isn't justice, what the CIC should or shouldn't do etc. is pointless - doubt anyone from the CIC is reading this thread, and we (all) see the world from our perspective and what environmental changes would produce the best results for our family. Canada (and canadian citizens) do the same - a mixed cultural pot, mind you.. who again, don't owe aspiring immigrants anything. Chances are we'd feel differently if it was our country in the crosshairs too.

I wish everyone the best and I look forward to being a member here (assuming I'm not booted off and hated on immediately)

 

[coolgal]

Visited Canada in 2018 & 2019, and loved it - the country is beautiful, the people (everyone from strangers to the air hostesss giving another asian couple instructions on how to hold their baby during take off) were much more approachable & friendlier than here in the US, and though there are probably few places where overt racism still exists, you can pick up subtle undertones in the US which I haven't sensed in Canada (granted, only visited for 1-2 weeks at a time).

There is covert racism in Canada for sure. It's usually hidden behind a smile.

Canada is a colored mosaic.

Racism is hidden on the pretext of 'preference'.

People in the small towns are very nice.

What I said about covert racism applies to the big towns. But $ is a great leveler, and one can stay immune to this racism here.

I have noticed that anyone can be a racist here regardless of race. Lol.

 

[txlonghorn]

There is covert racism in Canada for sure. It's usually hidden behind a smile.

Canada is a colored mosaic.

Racism is hidden on the pretext of 'preference'.

People in the small towns are very nice.

What I said about covert racism applies to the big towns. But $ is a great leveler, and one can stay immune to this racism here.

Pretty surprising, would have assumed the opposite. Don't people in smaller towns have less exposure to immigrants + a higher likelihood of leaning right?

Is racism generally tied up in skin color or immigrant behavior? Would an immigrant with education, social & language skills be subject to more or less racism as one without?

Does this play into hiring practices, social interactions or other situations? Would love some honest answers.

 

[coolgal]

Pretty surprising, would have assumed the opposite. Don't people in smaller towns have less exposure to immigrants + a higher likelihood of leaning right?

Is racism generally tied up in skin color or immigrant behavior? Would an immigrant with education, social & language skills be subject to more or less racism as one without?

Does this play into hiring practices, social interactions or other situations? Would love some honest answers.

I will try my best to keep this smooth. Topics around race are difficult.

We tend to blame immigrant behavior for this, but I don't think it is to blame. With high barriers to entry, at least since the last 20-25 years, immigrants here are of good quality regardless of what work they do after coming in.

My cousins are second generation canadians and they acknowledge the covert racism here. It doesn't mean you won't have friends. It just means that the likelihood of inter racial friendships is not very common. People are generally tolerant, but that's different from being free of prejudice. That said, if you are from a cool major like medicine or law, or one where there is an incentive for being friends with, then one's skin color doesn't matter. Same is the case for people working in those high paying, elite industries(eg. on Bay Street here aka Canadian Wallstreet). There are some South Asian CEO's.

I was in a diverse classroom, and in the end I saw people giving up and they kind of stuck to their own. Just a small example. I am sure many newbies tried to, and it didn't work out. I am not talking about dating but just basic friendships here.

As far as hiring practices go, if it is a skilled job I don't think it matters. If there is a hiring preference, they rely on surnames to weed people out. You may find this interesting: https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/minorities-who-whiten-job-resumes-get-more-interviews

There is systemic racism too. Not as bad as the incidents one sees in the U.S, but there is for sure.

Going back to the small town thing, yes, even I was surprised, they are very nice and welcoming. I know that's different compared to the US, and the EU. As far as politics goes, Western Canada is historically red.

FYI, I have more American friends than Canadians. Some are from red states. I think there, people want to know you and then decide whether to talk or not. So they give you a chance. Here, race can be a starter, or a non-starter. It could just be my opinion based on my experience. I could be wrong. You have lived there longer.

Since you are moving here, I would say actively look out to socialize with people of your own community first. And then build on that. If you belong to that club on the top, then even better.

The bottom line is the $ though. Even if one doesn't fit in anywhere, the money will help.

 

[Rish92]

No, international students did not get any financial assistance. They were working on the frontlines risking everything.

CESB was only for citizens and PR's.

Canada only let temporary visa holders in if they held a job. They put pressure on the airline staff to impose these rules even though the website said otherwise. Airline staff were whatsapping embassy staff at the gate to decide who flies in. They didn't care what the government website said.(sort of a shadow policy).

Airline blamed the government, the government blames the airline.

The NDP is keeping the liberals in check. Its a minority government right now.

Otherwise I wouldn't be surprised if they followed Australia. Sad to hear they did this, are the conservatives in power there ?

Unfortunately, both Australian parties are centre-left and centre-right. So they don’t differ much in policies which tends to be a bit right-wing anyway.
International students are viewed as cash cows.
For whatever reason, not only the general population, but even the recent immigrants who have become permanent residents mostly oppose higher level of immigration.