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Help Needed: Can citizenship application continue while a removal order appeal at IAD is under process

azi3020980

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Feb 17, 2021
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Hi everyone,

Is it possible to have a citizenship application which has been slowed for 3 years due to an RQ to move forward is I am issued a removal order based on failing to meet residency obligation at the border and I have appealed that decision at IAD?
 

PMM

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Jun 30, 2005
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Hi

Hi everyone,

Is it possible to have a citizenship application which has been slowed for 3 years due to an RQ to move forward is I am issued a removal order based on failing to meet residency obligation at the border and I have appealed that decision at IAD?
1. No. Not until the a decision is made by IAD.
 

canuck78

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Would add that time since you were reported won't count towards citizenship unless you are allowed to keep your PR status.
 

dpenabill

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@azi3020980: you appear to be in need of competent, experienced professional assistance. Lawyer-Up if you have not already.


Would add that time since you were reported won't count towards citizenship unless you are allowed to keep your PR status.
Actually, the days in Canada would NOT count anyway, or to be more precise, are NOT relevant for purposes of whether the applicant met the actual physical presence requirement.

This is true for any citizenship applicant. ONLY days IN Canada BEFORE the day the citizenship application was made count at all toward meeting the citizenship requirement. There is no counting of days AFTER applying. That is, being reported for a breach of the RO some three years after making the application (as is the situation here) has NO relevance for purposes of meeting the actual physical presence requirement.

HOWEVER, of course the OP, the applicant, MUST win the appeal to keep PR status, let alone be eligible for a grant of citizenship.

Is it possible to have a citizenship application which has been slowed for 3 years due to an RQ to move forward is I am issued a removal order based on failing to meet residency obligation at the border and I have appealed that decision at IAD?
The response by PMM needs to be clarified.

The Minister has discretion (which is commonly exercised) to "suspend" processing a citizenship application even BEFORE a Removal Order is issued if there is cause to investigate the applicant for inadmissibility, such as for a failure to comply with the Residency Obligation. This is prescribed by Section 13.1 in the Citizenship Act.

Generally, if the application is suspended, as PMM states, there is no "progress," no further processing of the application pending the resolution of the matter triggering the suspension.

However, the issuance of a Removal Order itself can be grounds to deny the application outright, since a PR subject to a Removal Order does NOT meet the requirement to not be under a removal order, as prescribed in the requirements for a grant of citizenship in Subsection 5(1)(f) in the Citizenship Act, and the applicant MUST not only meet those requirements (as listed in Subsection 5(1) Citizenship Act) when the application is made, but continue to meet those requirements right up to the taking of the oath.

It is not clear whether IRCC employs a uniform practice in how it approaches these situations. At the least, Subsection 22(6) prohibits taking the oath for citizenship if the applicant "no longer" meets "the requirements . . . for the grant of citizenship," which an applicant subject to a Removal Order does not (again, pursuant to Subsection 5(1)(f) in the Citizenship Act). Thus, unless and until the IAD actually sets the Removal Order aside, the applicant is not eligible to take the oath.

Again, it appears to be time to get a lawyer.
 

canuck78

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Jun 18, 2017
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@azi3020980: you appear to be in need of competent, experienced professional assistance. Lawyer-Up if you have not already.




Actually, the days in Canada would NOT count anyway, or to be more precise, are NOT relevant for purposes of whether the applicant met the actual physical presence requirement.

This is true for any citizenship applicant. ONLY days IN Canada BEFORE the day the citizenship application was made count at all toward meeting the citizenship requirement. There is no counting of days AFTER applying. That is, being reported for a breach of the RO some three years after making the application (as is the situation here) has NO relevance for purposes of meeting the actual physical presence requirement.

HOWEVER, of course the OP, the applicant, MUST win the appeal to keep PR status, let alone be eligible for a grant of citizenship.



The response by PMM needs to be clarified.

The Minister has discretion (which is commonly exercised) to "suspend" processing a citizenship application even BEFORE a Removal Order is issued if there is cause to investigate the applicant for inadmissibility, such as for a failure to comply with the Residency Obligation. This is prescribed by Section 13.1 in the Citizenship Act.

Generally, if the application is suspended, as PMM states, there is no "progress," no further processing of the application pending the resolution of the matter triggering the suspension.

However, the issuance of a Removal Order itself can be grounds to deny the application outright, since a PR subject to a Removal Order does NOT meet the requirement to not be under a removal order, as prescribed in the requirements for a grant of citizenship in Subsection 5(1)(f) in the Citizenship Act, and the applicant MUST not only meet those requirements (as listed in Subsection 5(1) Citizenship Act) when the application is made, but continue to meet those requirements right up to the taking of the oath.

It is not clear whether IRCC employs a uniform practice in how it approaches these situations. At the least, Subsection 22(6) prohibits taking the oath for citizenship if the applicant "no longer" meets "the requirements . . . for the grant of citizenship," which an applicant subject to a Removal Order does not (again, pursuant to Subsection 5(1)(f) in the Citizenship Act). Thus, unless and until the IAD actually sets the Removal Order aside, the applicant is not eligible to take the oath.

Again, it appears to be time to get a lawyer.
Assume OP must have qualified for citizenship when they applied and may have left Canada after applying for citizenship and then got reported when they returned. Pointing out to others who may be reading that until PR status is officially retained days can’t be used to apply for citizenshIp. Unfortunately some are under the impression that if get reported they can appeal and delay the processing until they have 3 years and just apply for citizenship,