PPR received, but spouse has not been added even after intimating IRCC

[SaBong]

Hi all,
I will provide a background of my case: I received my
OINP nomination positive response on 25th October 2019,
ITA on 30th Oct 2019,
AOR on 25th Nov 2019,
Medicals on 13th Dec 2019,
Biometrics on 26th Dec 2019.

According to GCMS notes my EE eligibility was passed on 7th July 2020.

However, I got married on 9th July 2020 (after the AOR, obviously) and intimated IRCC about the same through Web Form within 2 weeks of my marriage. I received an acknowledgement for the same from them on 30th July 2020. The GCMS notes also reflect that the addition of my spouse has been acknowledged by them. The notes mentioned that they have forwarded the details for review to the concerned department. No further details about my spouse have been requested so far.

On 21st Nov 2020, I received my PPR. The mail says I am needed to submit my passport within 30 days of its receipt.
At this point in time, I am confused as to whether to submit the passport or forego the PPR in order to let IRCC complete the procedure for the addition of my spouse. My case is with the High Commission of Canada in New Delhi and therefore the IRCC call center agents within Canada refuse to provide any information on it. They requested me to contact the New Delhi office only by either Web Form or email, both of which I have been doing since the PPR but I have received only one generic response so far.

Kindly provide any information that could be of assistance to me in order to help me with the decision of sending my Passport at present or to wait for the procedure to complete from their end.

Thanks much!

 

[Maverick28]

Hi all,
I will provide a background of my case: I received my
OINP nomination positive response on 25th October 2019,
ITA on 30th Oct 2019,
AOR on 25th Nov 2019,
Medicals on 13th Dec 2019,
Biometrics on 26th Dec 2019.

According to GCMS notes my EE eligibility was passed on 7th July 2020.

However, I got married on 9th July 2020 (after the AOR, obviously) and intimated IRCC about the same through Web Form within 2 weeks of my marriage. I received an acknowledgement for the same from them on 30th July 2020. The GCMS notes also reflect that the addition of my spouse has been acknowledged by them. The notes mentioned that they have forwarded the details for review to the concerned department. No further details about my spouse have been requested so far.

On 21st Nov 2020, I received my PPR. The mail says I am needed to submit my passport within 30 days of its receipt.
At this point in time, I am confused as to whether to submit the passport or forego the PPR in order to let IRCC complete the procedure for the addition of my spouse. My case is with the High Commission of Canada in New Delhi and therefore the IRCC call center agents within Canada refuse to provide any information on it. They requested me to contact the New Delhi office only by either Web Form or email, both of which I have been doing since the PPR but I have received only one generic response so far.

Kindly provide any information that could be of assistance to me in order to help me with the decision of sending my Passport at present or to wait for the procedure to complete from their end.

Thanks much!

Did you submit the documents for your spouse when you raised the webform?

 

[SaBong]

Did you submit the documents for your spouse when you raised the webform?

Hi @Maverick28 ,

Thank you for your response.
I had only submitted my marriage certificate while sending the web form. No other documents were submitted or requested later.
I believe a request should have been generated so that I can submit further documents such as birth certificate, PCC, medicals etc of my spouse. I have been awaiting that message.

Thanks much!

 

[Maverick28]

Hi @Maverick28 ,

Thank you for your response.
I had only submitted my marriage certificate while sending the web form. No other documents were submitted or requested later.
I believe a request should have been generated so that I can submit further documents such as birth certificate, PCC, medicals etc of my spouse. I have been awaiting that message.

Thanks much!

Well you should have submitted those documents as well. I would suggest to raise a webform with the documents required to add your spouse to the application.

 

[SaBong]

Well you should have submitted those documents as well. I would suggest to raise a webform with the documents required to add your spouse to the application.

Hi @Maverick28,
I submitted only the marriage certificate at that time because that was the only available document with us. As I mentioned, I was under the impression that the request would be generated from their end.

 

[SaBong]

Hi @legalfalcon, one of my friends suggested asking you about my case as you have significant knowledge of the processes. Could you kindly take a look at my query and provide some information.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!

 

[navinball]

You just need to wait for their response. Its no use uploading documents now as they will ask for a list of documents again.

 

[legalfalcon]

Hi all,
I will provide a background of my case: I received my
OINP nomination positive response on 25th October 2019,
ITA on 30th Oct 2019,
AOR on 25th Nov 2019,
Medicals on 13th Dec 2019,
Biometrics on 26th Dec 2019.

According to GCMS notes my EE eligibility was passed on 7th July 2020.

However, I got married on 9th July 2020 (after the AOR, obviously) and intimated IRCC about the same through Web Form within 2 weeks of my marriage. I received an acknowledgement for the same from them on 30th July 2020. The GCMS notes also reflect that the addition of my spouse has been acknowledged by them. The notes mentioned that they have forwarded the details for review to the concerned department. No further details about my spouse have been requested so far.

On 21st Nov 2020, I received my PPR. The mail says I am needed to submit my passport within 30 days of its receipt.
At this point in time, I am confused as to whether to submit the passport or forego the PPR in order to let IRCC complete the procedure for the addition of my spouse. My case is with the High Commission of Canada in New Delhi and therefore the IRCC call center agents within Canada refuse to provide any information on it. They requested me to contact the New Delhi office only by either Web Form or email, both of which I have been doing since the PPR but I have received only one generic response so far.

Kindly provide any information that could be of assistance to me in order to help me with the decision of sending my Passport at present or to wait for the procedure to complete from their end.

Thanks much!

At this stage it does not make any sense to submit your passport as even if you receive a COPR and PRV, it will be cancelled as your application will be reopened and you will be reassessed for your spouse's criminality, medical eligibility and security. You can add your spouse until you land in Canada, even if your have been issued a COPR. In an eventuality you have a COPR, you will have to return it, and it will be cancelled, your application will be reopened and your spouse and you will be given a new COPRs after documents have been assessed for your spouse.

If you have not heard back, follow up again, send an email to NDVO, CPC Ottawa and webform.

IRCC will send you some forms and ask for the following documents:


1. An IMM8 Application
2. Schedule A form for spouse
3. Additional Family Information form for primary applicant and spouse.
4. Fee receipt for spouse - Processing fee ($550) and right of permanent residence fee ($490).
5. Birth Certificate of spouse, translation, and affidavit of translation.
6. Copy of Spouse's Passport
7. Copy of marriage certificate and marriage registration
8. Wedding Card and Photographs
9. Police clearance certificate for the primary applicant and spouse
10. Spouse's upfront medical
11. Letter of Explanation (If required)

The general law regarding adding a spouse, i.e. change of family composition is as follows:


If the family composition changes after the e-APR has been submitted, the family member added is not subject to eligibility assessment. However, the family member will have to be assessed for medical, criminal and security, which means that adding your spouse will not impact your eligibility and cRS score.

Change in circumstance declared after an e-APR has been submitted
To assess an application under section A11.2, a processing office must consider the information in an applicant’s profile at the time of the round of invitations and the information provided when the applicant submits their e-APR. After an e-APR is submitted, an application cannot be refused due to a change in circumstance unless

• the officer determines that the change occurred before the applicant submitted their e-APR and that the change would have caused the applicant to be refused under section A11.2: therefore, the application should be refused under section A11.2; or
• the change in circumstance means the applicant no longer meets the minimum requirements of the program to which they are applying; therefore, the application may still meet the requirements of section A11.2 but can be refused for failing to meet program requirements.

For example, if an applicant marries before they submit their e-APR but informs IRCC of the marriage only after they submit their e-APR, the marriage can be taken into account as part of the section A11.2 assessment.
If, however, an applicant marries after they submit their e-APR, then informs IRCC of the marriage, the marriage cannot be taken into account as part of the section A11.2 assessment. However, the change in circumstance may affect whether the applicant still meets the program requirements. See below for details.
Changes to family composition
All family members must be examined as part of the e-APR, whether they are accompanying the principal applicant or not. Family members can be added to the application at any time during the process, including after the visa is issued, but prior to obtaining permanent resident status. Applicants are instructed to inform IRCC immediately if their family composition has changed (e.g., birth of a child, marriage, divorce).
Pursuant to subsection R4(1), the principal applicant may not include a spouse or common-law partner in their application if their relationship was entered into primarily to acquire any status or privilege under the Act or is not genuine. Similarly, in accordance with subsection R4(2), the principal applicant may not include an adopted child in their application if the adoption was entered into primarily to obtain any status or privilege under the Act or if it did not create a genuine parent–child relationship.
Section A11.2 does not apply when an applicant adds a family member to their application after the e-APR; however, the family member will have to be assessed, and the principal applicant must provide IRCC with the Additional Family Information form [IMM 5406 (PDF, 570KB)] and pay the applicable fees online.

 

[Rehab]

@legalfalcon, is an updated proof of funds required if one is adding a spouse after COPR and visa has been issued?

 

[legalfalcon]

@legalfalcon, is an updated proof of funds required if one is adding a spouse after COPR and visa has been issued?

Have you landed in Canada as a PR. Only after your land in Canada and are admitted you become a PR. Just having a COPR and PR. visa does not make your a PR.

If you are adding your spouse to your current application, you will have to provide a revised PoF to meet the Pdf requirement for the new family member added. However, if your PoF that you submitted with your application was above the PoF and would meet the requirement of you and the spouse, then your are not required to submit a review PoF.

 

[SaBong]

t will be cancelled as your application will be reopene

At this stage it does not make any sense to submit your passport as even if you receive a COPR and PRV, it will be cancelled as your application will be reopened and you will be reassessed for your spouse's criminality, medical eligibility and security. You can add your spouse until you land in Canada, even if your have been issued a COPR. In an eventuality you have a COPR, you will have to return it, and it will be cancelled, your application will be reopened and your spouse and you will be given a new COPRs after documents have been assessed for your spouse.

If you have not heard back, follow up again, send an email to NDVO, CPC Ottawa and webform.

IRCC will send you some forms and ask for the following documents:


1. An IMM8 Application
2. Schedule A form for spouse
3. Additional Family Information form for primary applicant and spouse.
4. Fee receipt for spouse - Processing fee ($550) and right of permanent residence fee ($490).
5. Birth Certificate of spouse, translation, and affidavit of translation.
6. Copy of Spouse's Passport
7. Copy of marriage certificate and marriage registration
8. Wedding Card and Photographs
9. Police clearance certificate for the primary applicant and spouse
10. Spouse's upfront medical
11. Letter of Explanation (If required)

The general law regarding adding a spouse, i.e. change of family composition is as follows:


If the family composition changes after the e-APR has been submitted, the family member added is not subject to eligibility assessment. However, the family member will have to be assessed for medical, criminal and security, which means that adding your spouse will not impact your eligibility and cRS score.

Change in circumstance declared after an e-APR has been submitted
To assess an application under section A11.2, a processing office must consider the information in an applicant’s profile at the time of the round of invitations and the information provided when the applicant submits their e-APR. After an e-APR is submitted, an application cannot be refused due to a change in circumstance unless

• the officer determines that the change occurred before the applicant submitted their e-APR and that the change would have caused the applicant to be refused under section A11.2: therefore, the application should be refused under section A11.2; or
• the change in circumstance means the applicant no longer meets the minimum requirements of the program to which they are applying; therefore, the application may still meet the requirements of section A11.2 but can be refused for failing to meet program requirements.

For example, if an applicant marries before they submit their e-APR but informs IRCC of the marriage only after they submit their e-APR, the marriage can be taken into account as part of the section A11.2 assessment.
If, however, an applicant marries after they submit their e-APR, then informs IRCC of the marriage, the marriage cannot be taken into account as part of the section A11.2 assessment. However, the change in circumstance may affect whether the applicant still meets the program requirements. See below for details.
Changes to family composition
All family members must be examined as part of the e-APR, whether they are accompanying the principal applicant or not. Family members can be added to the application at any time during the process, including after the visa is issued, but prior to obtaining permanent resident status. Applicants are instructed to inform IRCC immediately if their family composition has changed (e.g., birth of a child, marriage, divorce).
Pursuant to subsection R4(1), the principal applicant may not include a spouse or common-law partner in their application if their relationship was entered into primarily to acquire any status or privilege under the Act or is not genuine. Similarly, in accordance with subsection R4(2), the principal applicant may not include an adopted child in their application if the adoption was entered into primarily to obtain any status or privilege under the Act or if it did not create a genuine parent–child relationship.
Section A11.2 does not apply when an applicant adds a family member to their application after the e-APR; however, the family member will have to be assessed, and the principal applicant must provide IRCC with the Additional Family Information form [IMM 5406 (PDF, 570KB)] and pay the applicable fees online.

Hi @legalfalcon ,

Thank you for the prompt response and the extensive explanation. I will not be sending my passport as of now and will wait for them to update my marital status. I am sending them request emails regarding the same for quite some time. It's probably the staff shortage that is causing issues resulting in delayed responses.

Once again, thank you so much for your help.

Regards,
SaBong.

 

[legalfalcon]

Hi @legalfalcon ,

Thank you for the prompt response and the extensive explanation. I will not be sending my passport as of now and will wait for them to update my marital status. I am sending them request emails regarding the same for quite some time. It's probably the staff shortage that is causing issues resulting in delayed responses.

Once again, thank you so much for your help.

Regards,
SaBong.

All the best!!

 

[SaBong]

All the best!!

At this stage it does not make any sense to submit your passport as even if you receive a COPR and PRV, it will be cancelled as your application will be reopened and you will be reassessed for your spouse's criminality, medical eligibility and security. You can add your spouse until you land in Canada, even if your have been issued a COPR. In an eventuality you have a COPR, you will have to return it, and it will be cancelled, your application will be reopened and your spouse and you will be given a new COPRs after documents have been assessed for your spouse.

If you have not heard back, follow up again, send an email to NDVO, CPC Ottawa and webform.

IRCC will send you some forms and ask for the following documents:


1. An IMM8 Application
2. Schedule A form for spouse
3. Additional Family Information form for primary applicant and spouse.
4. Fee receipt for spouse - Processing fee ($550) and right of permanent residence fee ($490).
5. Birth Certificate of spouse, translation, and affidavit of translation.
6. Copy of Spouse's Passport
7. Copy of marriage certificate and marriage registration
8. Wedding Card and Photographs
9. Police clearance certificate for the primary applicant and spouse
10. Spouse's upfront medical
11. Letter of Explanation (If required)

The general law regarding adding a spouse, i.e. change of family composition is as follows:


If the family composition changes after the e-APR has been submitted, the family member added is not subject to eligibility assessment. However, the family member will have to be assessed for medical, criminal and security, which means that adding your spouse will not impact your eligibility and cRS score.

Change in circumstance declared after an e-APR has been submitted
To assess an application under section A11.2, a processing office must consider the information in an applicant’s profile at the time of the round of invitations and the information provided when the applicant submits their e-APR. After an e-APR is submitted, an application cannot be refused due to a change in circumstance unless

• the officer determines that the change occurred before the applicant submitted their e-APR and that the change would have caused the applicant to be refused under section A11.2: therefore, the application should be refused under section A11.2; or
• the change in circumstance means the applicant no longer meets the minimum requirements of the program to which they are applying; therefore, the application may still meet the requirements of section A11.2 but can be refused for failing to meet program requirements.

For example, if an applicant marries before they submit their e-APR but informs IRCC of the marriage only after they submit their e-APR, the marriage can be taken into account as part of the section A11.2 assessment.
If, however, an applicant marries after they submit their e-APR, then informs IRCC of the marriage, the marriage cannot be taken into account as part of the section A11.2 assessment. However, the change in circumstance may affect whether the applicant still meets the program requirements. See below for details.
Changes to family composition
All family members must be examined as part of the e-APR, whether they are accompanying the principal applicant or not. Family members can be added to the application at any time during the process, including after the visa is issued, but prior to obtaining permanent resident status. Applicants are instructed to inform IRCC immediately if their family composition has changed (e.g., birth of a child, marriage, divorce).
Pursuant to subsection R4(1), the principal applicant may not include a spouse or common-law partner in their application if their relationship was entered into primarily to acquire any status or privilege under the Act or is not genuine. Similarly, in accordance with subsection R4(2), the principal applicant may not include an adopted child in their application if the adoption was entered into primarily to obtain any status or privilege under the Act or if it did not create a genuine parent–child relationship.
Section A11.2 does not apply when an applicant adds a family member to their application after the e-APR; however, the family member will have to be assessed, and the principal applicant must provide IRCC with the Additional Family Information form [IMM 5406 (PDF, 570KB)] and pay the applicable fees online.

Hi @legalfalcon ,
Your advice was spot on. As mentioned previously I had received my PPR before IRCC added my spouse to the application( I got married after my AOR). They have sent me a request to add my spouse now. In the letter they have requested exactly the same documents you have mentioned. There is, however, no mention of Proof of Funds to be submitted. Also, I do not see a category under which I could upload POF in my online portal. I wanted to know if they explicitly request POF or do I have to submit it along with my spouse's documents. When I had submitted my application as a single applicant, I had declared around $16000 CAD. Should I submit a new POF?
Kindly help out with this.

Thanks and regards,
SaBong.

 

[legalfalcon]

Hi @legalfalcon ,
Your advice was spot on. As mentioned previously I had received my PPR before IRCC added my spouse to the application( I got married after my AOR). They have sent me a request to add my spouse now. In the letter they have requested exactly the same documents you have mentioned. There is, however, no mention of Proof of Funds to be submitted. Also, I do not see a category under which I could upload POF in my online portal. I wanted to know if they explicitly request POF or do I have to submit it along with my spouse's documents. When I had submitted my application as a single applicant, I had declared around $16000 CAD. Should I submit a new POF?
Kindly help out with this.

Thanks and regards,
SaBong.

If your previous PoF meets the requirements of 2 people, then you need not worry, if not, then you should submit a new PoF that will take care of 2 people and you cans end it via webform is you do not have an option to upload.

 

[SaBong]

If your previous PoF meets the requirements of 2 people, then you need not worry, if not, then you should submit a new PoF that will take care of 2 people and you cans end it via webform is you do not have an option to upload.

Hi @legalfalcon ,
Thank you for your response. I have a couple of other doubts.
1. My wife has done her IELTS and WES evaluation. Are those documents needed as Education proof for her or would University marksheets suffice?
2. Do we need to submit copies of passports that have expired? The old passport has departure/arrival stamps that are done within the last 10 years.

Thanks and regards.,
SaBong.