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Hi all,

My wife is currently a PR (I am a Canadian citizen), and through doing the Physical Presence Calculator, we calculated that she will be eligible to apply for citizenship on May 25th of this year (when she will have 1,095 days of physical presence in Canada).

We want to wait a few days as suggested on the website, so realistically we will be completing the application for citizenship on June 1st of this year. We were sure to add all of the time spent abroad in our calculations as well.

I have been offered a great job in the United States which would begin in September of this year and my wife and I are considering moving because of this. However, we want to obtain Canadian citizenship for her, because we may not stay in the US forever, and would love the option of her having citizenship to make our return to Canada easier. After doing research, I found the following guidelines for people intending to leave Canada after applying for citizenship to make sure they remain eligible:
  • make sure that you live in Canada long enough to keep your Permanent Resident (PR) status (as long as the application takes no more than 2 years, my wife will have met this requirement)
  • be a permanent resident (when you apply) (my wife is a PR so will have met this requirement)
  • not lose PR status before you take the Oath of Citizenship (again, so long as the application takes no more than 5 years, my wife will not lose her PR - she has already spent 3 years in Canada at time of application, giving her 2 years she can be outside before she wouldn't qualify)
  • bring your PR card with you when you leave Canada so you can return easily (she would do this)
Given this, will my wife and I be able to relocate to the US on or around September 1st of this year and still be confident that her citizenship will be granted?

We would inform CIC of our intent to leave (they state on website to let them know if you will be gone more than 2 weeks). I ask this, because I have read reports of people being quizzed and/or potentially denied citizenship by CIC because they don't believe in your Intent to Reside.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

TL;DR: Wife is applying for citizenship in June (meets all requirements). We want to potentially move to USA in September for work. Will there be any hiccups/issues with her application?
 
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Seym

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It should be OK. Leaving Canada after applying may (or may not!) raise eyebrows and result in additional document requests, especially with a relatively tight margin over the 1095 days, but ultimately, what matters is your eligibility perio, not what comes after.
The answer to your hiccups question is "maybe", but that's applicable to any and every application with various degrees after all.

Also, please note that your wife's PR residence requirements are not an issue since you're a canadian citizen.
The days she spends with you outside the country count for her residence : See https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=1466&top=10
She shouldn't need to claim those unless her application drags a lot, but if it does, you're covered and her PR status is not questionable regardless of how long you're outside Canada.
 
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Nocturno

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Wasn't the "Intent to Reside" requirement part of the previous citizenship law that has been reverted in 2017?

I'm in the exact same boat, along with the moving to US part. The only concern really is the mailing address part - I will apply with my current address of residence but obviously will have to provide something else as the mailing address after notifying CIC of leaving the country.
 

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Also, I didn't think maintaining PR status was going to be a problem - I will have been residing 2+ years with my current PR card at the moment I apply, so even if the citizenship process isn't completed by 2023 when my card is set to expire, I can just renew it at which point I get new 5 years at potentially only be back to Canada in 2026 (which will allow me to complete 2 years of residency before the new card will expire, and maintain PR status that way). Is there anything I'm missing?
 

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. . . we calculated that she will be eligible to apply for citizenship on May 25th of this year (when she will have 1,095 days of physical presence in Canada) . . .

We want to wait a few days as suggested on the website, so realistically we will be completing the application for citizenship on June 1st of this year. We were sure to add all of the time spent abroad in our calculations as well.

Wife is applying for citizenship in June (meets all requirements). We want to potentially move to USA in September for work. Will there be any hiccups/issues with her application?
Many in this forum suggest that a week buffer (seven or so days) is good. My view is that, if possible, PRs should have at least a full month extra in days credited toward meeting the 1095 days in five year requirement. This has been discussed in depth often and in many other topics. This is largely about avoiding or minimizing the inconvenience and risks associated with non-routine RQ-related processing . . . after all, if the applicant accurately completes the actual physical presence calculation and has 1095 or more days credit, and can prove it, that is enough to qualify and be granted citizenship (assuming all other requirements are met).

More than a few applicants would be prudent to wait EVEN LONGER than a month. (Been there, done that, although in my situation there were some rather obvious reasons for doing so, and I actually waited a full extra year plus some.)

It is probably prudent for a PR planning to move outside Canada after applying to seriously consider padding the buffer considerably. That is, to wait longer and have even more than a month extra buffer. That said, it will also be prudent to not wait so long that the applicant blatantly appears to be among those likely perceived to be applying-on-the-way-to-the-airport.

There is no law or rule against applying-on-the-way-to-the-airport, or otherwise living outside Canada while the citizenship application is pending. There is NO required "intent to reside" in Canada, as such. BUT those in this forum suggesting that this means there are no negatives, no downsides, little or no risk for such applicants, are very much mistaken and overlooking the REAL RISKS involved.

To be clear: there are RISKS involved when a citizenship applicant moves abroad (or travels abroad for an extended period) pending processing the application. The extent of the risk for your spouse is probably attenuated by some of your circumstances, such as your Canadian citizenship for example.

In any event, leaving Canada after applying is also a subject that has been discussed often and in many other topics. Views about this vary even more widely than views about how much buffer is wise. Moreover, a lot of the discussion about this tends to conflate "traveling" abroad and moving abroad to live or work; they are not the same. Like many subjects discussed in this forum, in regards to this there also tends to be quite a lot of conflating what the law ALLOWS with how it works relative to particular situations. The details can matter.

But nonetheless, again, there are RISKS involved when a citizenship applicant moves abroad (or travels abroad for an extended period). The law and rules do NOT prohibit moving abroad. So, the fact that a citizenship applicant has left Canada after applying is not, not in itself, a reason to deny the application.

There are, at the very least:
-- logistical risks; missing scheduled events or failing to timely respond to requests from IRCC (notices for scheduled events, in particular, can tend to be rather short)​
-- non-routine processing risks related to questions about meeting the actual physical presence requirement (RQ-related requests, even full blown RQ)​

Both sorts of risks can be reduced or to a significant extent managed. The logistical risks depend a lot on where the applicant moves to and how easily the applicant can travel to Canada on short notice. The risks related to non-routine RQ-related processing can range from a minor inconvenience and short delays, to major inconvenience and lengthy delays, or in some cases pose a risk the application is denied such as where proving actual physical presence might become problematic. In regards to the risk of RQ-related non-routine processing, this may be reduced by applying with a bigger margin over the minimum, and is likely also reduced by factors such as moving abroad accompanying a citizen spouse.

I do not intend to summarize or revisit the full range of issues, questions, concerns, and potential twists and turns, that may be relevant for the applicant anticipating moving abroad after applying. Again, this is a subject widely discussed in numerous topics. Moreover, after all, how it goes for any individual applicant will vary considerably depending on many other factors in addition to the matter of living abroad while the application is pending.

Indeed, in the circumstances you describe, absent some other factor raising the risks, your spouse's risks may be near the lower end of the range.

But I think the "intent to reside" in Canada issue warrants some further clarification for others.

Intent to Reside in Canada:

An "intent to reside in Canada" is NOT a requirement for a grant of Canadian citizenship.

That does NOT mean it is irrelevant. This is one of those matters regarding which the forum discussion tends to rather badly fail to recognize the difference between what the law ALLOWS and what can nonetheless influence how things go.

I have already mentioned applicants who might be perceived to be applying-on-the-way-to-the-airport. This does not seem to be as profoundly negative as it was in the past but there is no doubt that many, probably a large majority of Canadians, harbour a negative view about such applicants, which can and probably does affect how they feel about some of those applying for citizenship. IRCC officials, including Citizenship Officers, are Canadians. While allowing biases to influence their decision making is discouraged, only a fool fails to recognize that an applicant perceived to be applying-on-the-way-to-the-airport is, at the least, at RISK of a total stranger bureaucrat deciding to more thoroughly scrutinize such an applicant's case, meaning at higher RISK for encountering RQ-related non-routine processing.

There are more than a few who would argue this is unfair, since an intent to reside in Canada is not required, and since the intent of the law governing the grant of naturalized citizenship itself does not specifically involve a to-live-in-Canada purpose. They MISS the point. A couple points actually.

A big one is that suspicions about such applicants is real. As simple as that. And it is in significant part due to the fact that a majority of Canadians very likely do NOT consider this to be unfair. They may not articulate good reasons why. More than a few may harbour this view due to xenophobia. BUT it is probable most simply apprehend that those who do not intend to reside in Canada do not deserve to be granted citizenship (indeed, for a short period of time there was an "intent to reside" requirement, pursuant to which just living abroad while the application was pending was a basis for denying the application, even if the applicant had an intent to return to Canada to live). And many likely apprehend that there is good reason to be suspicious of such applicants, apprehending the prospect that such applicants are exploiting or otherwise gaming the Canadian immigration system.

To understand the latter, it might help to recognize that the purpose for granting PR status is explicitly so that the individual can settle and live in Canada PERMANENTLY. A PR can maintain PR status, continue to be a PR, even if the PR is living abroad. The law ALLOWS this, it ALLOWS PRs to live abroad. BUT that does not change or diminish the purpose for the grant of PR status, which again is so the individual can settle and live in Canada PERMANENTLY.

So the PR living abroad can continue to meet the requirements for citizenship, including the requirement that the PR have valid PR status (not be inadmissible due to a failure to meet the PR Residency Obligation for example). BUT it is easy to apprehend the individual is NOT acting consistent with purpose of having been granted PR. To what extent this will influence IRCC processing agents and Citizenship Officers, particularly in regards to how much scrutiny they apply in evaluating a particular citizenship applicant, is very, very, very difficult to predict . . . but the RISK that it will influence some, sometimes, is real.
 

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Are there any cases where citizenship is rejected for people who have left Canada after submitting the citizenship application?
 

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Are there any cases where citizenship is rejected for people who have left Canada after submitting the citizenship application?
Of course there are. Just like there are many cases in which applications have been denied those who stayed in Canada.

As I noted above, leaving Canada after applying is not, not by itself, a reason for denying the application.

See previous post for an outline of RISKS associated with living abroad while the citizenship application is pending. For more extensive and in-depth explanations, including the potential pitfalls, there are numerous other topics here where this subject has been addressed at-length. The caveat is that many of those discussions include false assurances overlooking the risks.

For clarity: if you are asking whether there are any applicants who have been denied citizenship BECAUSE they moved abroad, the question is still ambiguous. Again, living in Canada after applying is not required to be granted citizenship. So, a Citizenship Officer cannot (and will not) deny the application "because" the applicant left Canada after applying. BUT there are many situations which could lead to an application being denied which arise because the applicant has moved abroad . . . most obvious, and perhaps most common example, is the applicant fails to timely return to Canada in time to attend an oath ceremony.
 
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@dpenabill, how about after one has received Canadian citizenship and a Canadian passport? Is that essentially irrevocable? We are proud Canadian PRs and hope to be citizens soon. But I work in an industry that is very global, and where the opportunities in Canada tend to dwindle with seniority.
 

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@dpenabill, how about after one has received Canadian citizenship and a Canadian passport? Is that essentially irrevocable? We are proud Canadian PRs and hope to be citizens soon. But I work in an industry that is very global, and where the opportunities in Canada tend to dwindle with seniority.
Once you become a Canadian citizen, there are absolutely no residency requirements whatsoever.
 
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@dpenabill, how about after one has received Canadian citizenship and a Canadian passport? Is that essentially irrevocable? We are proud Canadian PRs and hope to be citizens soon. But I work in an industry that is very global, and where the opportunities in Canada tend to dwindle with seniority.
Misrepresentation/fraud is the only ground for the revocation of citizenship under current law.

Laws can change, of course, but there is near ZERO prospect of any change in law that would take away citizenship based on residency.

Even when there was an "intent to reside" in Canada requirement, to be eligible for a grant of citizenship, that had ZERO application to anyone after they became a citizen.
 
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Does cic agents ever call on the contact no that we provide on the application form? Any experiences to share? Thanks
 

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Hello everyone, if I leave Canada after submit the citizenship application and live in my home country for more than 6 months and would come back for the test. Do I need to request the police certificate in my home country?
 

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Hello everyone, if I leave Canada after submit the citizenship application and live in my home country for more than 6 months and would come back for the test. Do I need to request the police certificate in my home country?
Hello

Even I have the same question. Would be grateful if someone gives his/her views on this.

Regards
 

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Hello everyone, if I leave Canada after submit the citizenship application and live in my home country for more than 6 months and would come back for the test. Do I need to request the police certificate in my home country?
PCC is required for the days (more than 183 days, etc...) spent outside Canada during the eligibility period. But I don't think IRCC would ask for one in this case. But it is just my guess.
 

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PCC is required for the days (more than 183 days, etc...) spent outside Canada during the eligibility period. But I don't think IRCC would ask for one in this case. But it is just my guess.
Some clarifications:

The PCC requirement based on 183 days or more is ONLY about who is required to include a PCC with the application.

IRCC can require applicants to submit a PCC later on, during processing, for any reason (as long as the request is reasonable). This includes requesting applicants submit another PCC later on even though they submitted one with the application. This includes potentially requiring applicants to submit a PCC for a country they did not spend anywhere near 183 days in, either before or after applying.

Also note that the requirement for including a PCC WITH the application depends on days in a country during the FOUR years previous to the date the application is made. This is not about the "eligibility period" but, rather, only coincidentally the same as part of the "eligibility period" (currently the five years prior to making the application); it is about the period of time governing prohibitions based on criminal matters abroad, which again is the period of FOUR (4) years preceding the application.

And for purposes of whether IRCC might request PCCs from applicants abroad after applying, it warrants remembering the prohibitions based on criminal matters abroad continue to apply during the period after applying right up to when the oath is taken.

All that said, there are only a few reports of IRCC requesting PCCs from applicants later, during processing, even though the instructions explicitly caution that IRCC "may request a police certificate at any point during processing."

Additionally, there do not appear to be any clear reports of IRCC requesting a PCC from a citizenship applicant based on time in another country AFTER applying. There is one recent report which might be such a request but it is not entirely clear that it is about where the applicant has been after applying (from either the applicant's situation as reported, the factual context as reported, or from the language in the request itself). There is no doubt, however, that IRCC could request a PCC because the applicant has been in another country after applying (and this does not depend on whether the number of days there was 183 or more or less).

Leading to the query originally posed by @hungkubu

Even I have the same question. Would be grateful if someone gives his/her views on this.
Hello everyone, if I leave Canada after submit the citizenship application and live in my home country for more than 6 months and would come back for the test. Do I need to request the police certificate in my home country?
There is a relatively simple answer (but it does not tell the whole story):
-- where the applicant goes after applying does NOT affect whether or not a PCC needed to be included in the application itself; nonetheless​
-- IRCC can request a PCC from applicants anytime during the processing of the application, for just about any reason​

Which is to say, if the response to item 10.b) (looking at paper CIT 0002 10-2020 version of the application) does not require the applicant to include a PCC with the application, the applicant is not required to include a PCC WITH the application . . . even if the applicant lives abroad after applying.

But as already noted above, applicants can be required by IRCC to provide a PCC later, during processing . . . moreover, applicants can be required to AGAIN provide a PCC later, during processing, even if they submitted one with the application.

A FWIW Observation: Notwithstanding the fact that there is currently no prohibition against living outside Canada while the application is pending, doing so entails significant RISKS in addition to those affecting applicants remaining in Canada. Among the additional risks for applicants living abroad, after applying, apart from the logistical risks and the elevated risk of RQ-related non-routine processing, it is probably prudent to anticipate the possibility of non-routine security or criminality screening, which could cause delays in processing.