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Refused Twice, Now Received AIP Today

Ironclad

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Aug 17, 2020
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Hi,
Did you mean that you got approved in your third attempt after you changed your program? You had not mentioned anywhere that you were rejected twice and got approved third time. I’m just inferring this from your writing. Please let me know, my brother recently got rejected and we are devastated. His situation is similar to yours. He has a bachelors degree, 3 yrs of work exp and he chose a diploma program. He even got AIP and started his studies online. We had paid full fee in advance. He has finished half of his program already. Not sure what should we do now.
Thank you in advance.
Call your brother here, I will interview him 1 on 1 to find to diagnose the problem. Highlighting your brotherhood here is not the right way to go about it. What does it have to do with the PA being refused ? Why are you bumping old threads with a 2 minute old account. Lots of red flags.
 

Ruby90

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Dec 5, 2020
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Create a separate thread and post picture proofs of getting refused after AIP, until you do that no one is going to believe your fantasy story on the internet.
If you’re not going to help, atleast be kind. What did you mean by “ nobody is going to believe in your fancy story” . I’m not wasting my time on this website to tell lies.
 
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Ruby90

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Call your brother here, I will interview him 1 on 1 to find to diagnose the problem. Highlighting your brotherhood here is not the right way to go about it. What does it have to do with the PA being refused ? Why are you bumping old threads with a 2 minute old account. Lots of red flags.
Because i’m trying to find a solution. People would have experienced the same situation. I’m going through all threads to see if anything would help but ofcourse i have to deal with people like you who are sitting their to judge and critize instead of being of any help.
 

Ironclad

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Because i’m trying to find a solution. People would have experienced the same situation. I’m going through all threads to see if anything would help but ofcourse i have to deal with people like you who are sitting their to judge and critize instead of being of any help.
There has been not a single legit case of being refused after an AIP. A handful who had got refused after an AIP had a serious irregularity, if you are so affixed to your preconceived notion then why are you so adamant on not providing more information here so that people can share their views. I suspect you were the one who got refused and I think you are now attempting to craft stories so that you can feel better regarding the situation ?
 

Ruby90

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Dec 5, 2020
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There has been not a single legit case of being refused after an AIP. All the ones who had got refused had a serious irregularity, if you are so affixed to your preconceived notion then why are you so adamant on providing more information here so that people can share their views. I suspect you were the one who got refused and I think you are now attempting to craft stories so that you can feel better regarding the situation ?
I have no reason to lie and when you don’t have complete information about visa process, stop commenting unnecessarily. Let other people reply, who are there to help not like you. When they will ask me more information, i’ll provide it.
FYI- If you cannot say anything kind, don’t say anything at all.
 

Ironclad

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Aug 17, 2020
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I have no reason to lie and when you don’t have complete information about visa process, stop commenting unnecessarily. Let other people reply, who are there to help not like you. When they will ask me more information, i’ll provide it.
FYI- If you cannot say anything kind, don’t say anything at all.
Upload pictures and information regarding :

AIP / Refusal letter ( strike the name and address details of the PA )
Timeline
SDS or Non SDS
Nationality
Refusal reasons
What kind of a program it was ( diploma / master etc. )
Any prior criminal cases or medical issues
Fake documents used - knowingly or unknowingly by him / his agent
Undisclosed previous applications to other countries
 
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Ruby90

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Dec 5, 2020
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Upload pictures and information regarding :

AIP / Refusal letter ( strike the name and address details of the PA )
Timeline
SDS or Non SDS
Nationality
Refusal reasons
What kind of a program it was ( diploma / master etc. )
Any prior criminal cases or medical issues
Fake documents used - knowingly or unknowingly by him / his agent
Refusal letter states the following: "I have determined that your application does not meet the requirements of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) and Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations (IRPR). I am refusing your application on the following grounds: • I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on the purpose of your visit. • Given your previous education and/or employment history, I am not satisfied that the motivation to pursue this particular program at this point in time in Canada is reasonable. Refused under R216(1)(b). "

Timeline:
applied in june for Fall, 2020 - SDS category
Ielts - 8/9 bands
4 years of work experience as software engineer - infosys
no gap year, no earlier refusal
LOA - university of victoria (program - certificate of business administration)
Medical passed - July
AIP - 13 aug
Biometric- 25th november
Biometrics validation letter- 5th december
Refusal - 6th december

SDS or Non SDS: SDS, full fee of the program was paid in advance
Nationality: India
Refusal reasons: stated above
What kind of a program it was ( diploma / master etc. ): certification program
Any prior criminal cases or medical issues: No criminal record
Fake documents used - knowingly or unknowingly by him / his agent: Genuine profile
 

Ironclad

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Aug 17, 2020
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495
Canada
Refusal letter states the following: "I have determined that your application does not meet the requirements of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) and Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations (IRPR). I am refusing your application on the following grounds: • I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on the purpose of your visit. • Given your previous education and/or employment history, I am not satisfied that the motivation to pursue this particular program at this point in time in Canada is reasonable. Refused under R216(1)(b). "

Timeline:
applied in june for Fall, 2020 - SDS category
Ielts - 8/9 bands
4 years of work experience as software engineer - infosys
no gap year, no earlier refusal
LOA - university of victoria (program - certificate of business administration)
Medical passed - July
AIP - 13 aug
Biometric- 25th november
Biometrics validation letter- 5th december
Refusal - 6th december

SDS or Non SDS: SDS, full fee of the program was paid in advance
Nationality: India
Refusal reasons: stated above
What kind of a program it was ( diploma / master etc. ): certification program
Any prior criminal cases or medical issues: No criminal record
Fake documents used - knowingly or unknowingly by him / his agent: Genuine profile
Did he apply for any type of visa to an another country prior ? Did he hide any previous refusals/history relating to other countries ? (Undisclosed previous applications to other countries ). Please order GCMS notes as soon as possible.
 

Naturgrl

VIP Member
Apr 5, 2020
44,475
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Refusal letter states the following: "I have determined that your application does not meet the requirements of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) and Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations (IRPR). I am refusing your application on the following grounds: • I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on the purpose of your visit. • Given your previous education and/or employment history, I am not satisfied that the motivation to pursue this particular program at this point in time in Canada is reasonable. Refused under R216(1)(b). "

Timeline:
applied in june for Fall, 2020 - SDS category
Ielts - 8/9 bands
4 years of work experience as software engineer - infosys
no gap year, no earlier refusal
LOA - university of victoria (program - certificate of business administration)
Medical passed - July
AIP - 13 aug
Biometric- 25th november
Biometrics validation letter- 5th december
Refusal - 6th december

SDS or Non SDS: SDS, full fee of the program was paid in advance
Nationality: India
Refusal reasons: stated above
What kind of a program it was ( diploma / master etc. ): certification program
Any prior criminal cases or medical issues: No criminal record
Fake documents used - knowingly or unknowingly by him / his agent: Genuine profile
A certificate in the continuing education department at university of Victoria makes no sense. 4 years as an engineer and you want to take a business certificate? It is not even a diploma program. Admission to the program is high school not even for degree or diploma holders. Continuing education is available to anyone. You can take that anywhere. Order GCMS notes.
 
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Ironclad

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A certificate in the continuing education department at university of Victoria makes no sense. 4 years as an engineer and you want to take a business certificate? Why do you need to come to Canada for a business certificate? You can take that anywhere. MBA, yes.
@Ruby90
That's still a serious irregularity. PA had chosen an undergraduate certificate course after a bachelors degree. It's a business certificate after engineering. I am sorry but the refusal reason matches perfectly. One pattern which I am noting with these refusals are that they come as soon as possible within a week or so after the biometrics were given. My suggestion would be to approach the the university and go for the refund option because the only way to overcome this refusal is to change the course more allied to the PA's background. Godspeed
 
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Naturgrl

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Apr 5, 2020
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@Ruby90
That's still a serious irregularity. PA had chosen an undergraduate certificate course after a bachelors degree. It's a business certificate after engineering. I am sorry but the refusal reason matches perfectly. One pattern which I am noting with these refusals is that they come as soon as possible within a week or so after the biometrics are given. My suggestion would be to approach the the university and go for the refund option because the only way to overcome this refusal is to change the course more allied to the PA's background. Good luck.
Just to add that admissions to the certificate program is high school. You don’t need a degree or diploma as it is open to anyone. Refusal was correct decision.
 

Ruby90

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Dec 5, 2020
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A certificate in the continuing education department at university of Victoria makes no sense. 4 years as an engineer and you want to take a business certificate? It is not even a diploma program. Admission to the program is high school not even for degree or diploma holders. Continuing education is available to anyone. You can take that anywhere. Order GCMS notes.
Thank you for the reply. But, university website clearly says that this program is for you if you’re looking for a mid-career opportunity to enhance your professional expertise and want to prepare himself for the leadership roles in the company. The program teaches courses related to business administration and data analytics. It is the only program that provides MBA related exposure but in affordable fees.
 

Ruby90

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Dec 5, 2020
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Just to add that admissions to the certificate program is high school. You don’t need a degree or diploma as it is open to anyone. Refusal was correct decision.
Ofcourese it is a certificate program but the courses covered in the program are still relevant. If it was not for him why was he offered letter of acceptance in the first place? Why was he given AIP? He has now completed 50% of the program and now they rejected it.
 
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Ruby90

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Did he apply for any type of visa to an another country prior ? Did he hide any previous refusals/history relating to other countries ? (Undisclosed previous applications to other countries ). Please order GCMS notes as soon as possible.
No, this was his first time. He hasn't applied to any country before. Every single document presented was genuine.
 

D_D

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Jun 8, 2020
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Hi,
Did you mean that you got approved in your third attempt after you changed your program? You had not mentioned anywhere that you were rejected twice and got approved third time. I’m just inferring this from your writing. Please let me know, my brother recently got rejected and we are devastated. His situation is similar to yours. He has a bachelors degree, 3 yrs of work exp and he chose a diploma program. He even got AIP and started his studies online. We had paid full fee in advance. He has finished half of his program already. Not sure what should we do now.
Thank you in advance.
Hi,

I am sorry to hear this. But no need to panic, basically your brother made the same mistake like me. Changing program is not the solution, but changing the level of study is going to get your through the next time. Since your brother has already completed his under grad & has 4 years of work exp, he should definitely go for a masters degree but if you think the fees is very high or unable to find a suitable program, then he should go for a post grad level of program (like an Ontario Graduate Certificate).

I will suggest him to choose a program which is related to his past work experience & draft an exemplary SOP (clearly explaining how the chosen program is going to benefit him in excelling in his profession. Talk about your family ties and why he would return back to India. Talk about the vast job opportunities in that field. Show strong family ties- saving funds, property documents, FD, etc)

I changed the program, but I had work experience in that field so it worked out for me.