Got Visa refusal for winter

[co2020]

Yesterday I received refusal.
Timeline:
Applied: 19 October 2020 with SOWP
Refusal: 13 November

Applicant summary:
Intended course: MEng in Industrial Engineering
University: Concordia University
Intake: Winter 2021
B.Sc in Mechanical 2009
EMBA : 2013
Manufacturing Engineer experience 10 years
Ielts: 6 not less than 6

My heart broken into pieces. All my dream burn into ashes

I know its easier said but don't be shattered. Apply again.

It could be one little information you missed. Your proof of home ties ( Do you have a wife and /or kids you will be coming home to?, Landed properties, vehicle, Job, business etc. What does your travel history look like. Have you ever travelled out of your country?

Your financial strength. Is your proof of finances strong enough especially because of the Pandemic, they look at that seriously, since companies are closing and there is a higher rate of unemployment. You need to have proof that you have enough money to be able to pay your tuition, rent, and expenses for at least a year without the need for a job.

Did you include a resume in your application? It helps officers understand your work and education history better.

Did you include your education certificates, employment letter, pay slips etc.

Since they didn't write any reason on your letter it would be best to get the GCMS note and tackle the reasons.

Best of Luck!!

 

[shopnodana91]

I know its easier said but don't be shattered. Apply again.

It could be one little information you missed. Your proof of home ties ( Do you have a wife and /or kids you will be coming home to?, Landed properties, vehicle, Job, business etc. What does your travel history look like. Have you ever travelled out of your country?

Your financial strength. Is your proof of finances strong enough especially because of the Pandemic, they look at that seriously, since companies are closing and there is a higher rate of unemployment. You need to have proof that you have enough money to be able to pay your tuition, rent, and expenses for at least a year without the need for a job.

Did you include a resume in your application? It helps officers understand your work and education history better.

Did you include your education certificates, employment letter, pay slips etc.

Since they didn't write any reason on your letter it would be best to get the GCMS note and tackle the reasons.

Best of Luck!!

Thanks dear.
I showed my country ties as my mother and her properties(Summary of deeds included)
Financial budget was shown by my mother, my spouse, and myself and total tution fees for two years+1 year expense(spouse+me).
Included all certificates, employment letter, payslip, two year tax assessment of me and my mother, CV etc. I didn't include NOC because I don't want my employer know about this.
Wrote a strong SOP for educational gap, prospective goal, explanation of source of fund. I have explained everything. May be I couldn;t convince them by my words. I am thinking how I can tell more and how more I convince them. I really want to study this course.

I was really shocked and cried very much(looks silly but true) as it was my long term plan. However, I believe in fate. That's how I convinced myself. Also, I believe the right course of action make the success. I am holding my breath till then.

 

[aspirant256]

Thanks dear.
I showed my country ties as my mother and her properties(Summary of deeds included)
Financial budget was shown by my mother, my spouse, and myself and total tution fees for two years+1 year expense(spouse+me).
Included all certificates, employment letter, payslip, two year tax assessment of me and my mother, CV etc. I didn't include NOC because I don't want my employer know about this.
Wrote a strong SOP for educational gap, prospective goal, explanation of source of fund. I have explained everything. May be I couldn;t convince them by my words. I am thinking how I can tell more and how more I convince them. I really want to study this course.

I was really shocked and cried very much(looks silly but true) as it was my long term plan. However, I believe in fate. That's how I convinced myself. Also, I believe the right course of action make the success. I am holding my breath till then.

It's my opinion and I am not an expert, I myself have been waiting for the SP results. I feel that showing property documents, tax returns, payslips are excessive documentation. Just give them what is required, nothing less nothing more. I guess people misinterpret when Canada declines a permit saying you won't return, their only concern if the person will stay there illegally if there is no legal way for him/her. Showing property in your name or parents back home doesn't show ties in my opinion. Property can be sold or transferred to your parents' name and people leave their parents and settle abroad all the time and in western countries, parents are not really your family but your wife and children are. So, for IRCC all that matters is for them to feel you are not the person to stay in their country illegally. Again this is my opinion, I am trying to understand the thought process. There are so many experts on this forum with successful applications, they can help us understand.

 

[CMog]

Yesterday I received refusal.
Timeline:
Applied: 19 October 2020 with SOWP
Refusal: 13 November

Applicant summary:
Intended course: MEng in Industrial Engineering
University: Concordia University
Intake: Winter 2021
B.Sc in Mechanical 2009
EMBA : 2013
Manufacturing Engineer experience 10 years
Ielts: 6 not less than 6

My heart broken into pieces. All my dream burn into ashes

Hie

what are their reasons for the rejection?

 

[Ashekul]

Yesterday I received refusal.
Timeline:
Applied: 19 October 2020 with SOWP
Refusal: 13 November

Applicant summary:
Intended course: MEng in Industrial Engineering
University: Concordia University
Intake: Winter 2021
B.Sc in Mechanical 2009
EMBA : 2013
Manufacturing Engineer experience 10 years
Ielts: 6 not less than 6

My heart broken into pieces. All my dream burn into ashes

Your profile is for express entry. Getting another degree with this profile will make the visa officer suspicious anyway. I will suggest to get higher ielts score and apply for express entry.

 

[wonderbly]

So sorry to hear. How much of the funds shown were yours and how much was your Mother's? For someone with such established career and education, why are you showing funds and property belonging to your parent? That might make the VO suspicious that you can't afford your studies and/or sustain yourself.

Also, your IELTS scores are pretty bad for someone going to study Masters. You could have taken steps to improve it all these time.

I hope you find a way to apply again, successfully.

 

[JK7878]

Yesterday I received refusal.
Timeline:
Applied: 19 October 2020 with SOWP
Refusal: 13 November

Applicant summary:
Intended course: MEng in Industrial Engineering
University: Concordia University
Intake: Winter 2021
B.Sc in Mechanical 2009
EMBA : 2013
Manufacturing Engineer experience 10 years
Ielts: 6 not less than 6

My heart broken into pieces. All my dream burn into ashes

Sorry to hear this but did you receive medical request?

 

[shopnodana91]

Sorry to hear this but did you receive medical request?

No

 

[shopnodana91]

So sorry to hear. How much of the funds shown were yours and how much was your Mother's? For someone with such established career and education, why are you showing funds and property belonging to your parent? That might make the VO suspicious that you can't afford your studies and/or sustain yourself.

Also, your IELTS scores are pretty bad for someone going to study Masters. You could have taken steps to improve it all these time.

I hope you find a way to apply again, successfully.

Thank you. I got your point.

 

[co2020]

It's my opinion and I am not an expert, I myself have been waiting for the SP results. I feel that showing property documents, tax returns, payslips are excessive documentation. Just give them what is required, nothing less nothing more. I guess people misinterpret when Canada declines a permit saying you won't return, their only concern if the person will stay there illegally if there is no legal way for him/her. Showing property in your name or parents back home doesn't show ties in my opinion. Property can be sold or transferred to your parents' name and people leave their parents and settle abroad all the time and in western countries, parents are not really your family but your wife and children are. So, for IRCC all that matters is for them to feel you are not the person to stay in their country illegally. Again this is my opinion, I am trying to understand the thought process. There are so many experts on this forum with successful applications, they can help us understand.

I am not an expert also but they are not excessive documentations. You probably don't have a property or know how attached people are to it once they get it. It also shows a form of stability and responsibility ( Its psychology). Yes, people sell their properties for various reasons, but it is the same way people divorce their spouse, or are deadbeat parents. But when you look at the ratio of people who stay in their marriages, keep their properties or be good parents, you find that they are more than does who don't. Of course, they know some people won't return to their home countries, but they do that for the ratio.

Not withstanding you need to show some type of asset, and whether or not the asset should be in your name depends on your age. Students below 26 years are typically expected to have some sort of support, so showing your parents asset and financial status will suffice. When you are above 30 you are expected to be self sufficient or sponsoring yourself at least 80% so having your own asset would help. Either way, you have to show some form of Asset.

Anything that can help you prove your financial status is also very important.

People don't put in these documentation for the sake of it, but based on the reasons for refusal of other applicants.

Here is an example of the reasons given for denial of another applicant: link-- https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/visa-refusal.705485/

• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on your personal assets and financial status.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on your family ties in Canada and in your country of residence.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on the purpose of your visit.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on the limited employment prospects in your country of residence.

Most people use their properties to show as proof of personal assets. Don't think any document is excessive especially if it is your first application. If you have it, include it.

 

[shopnodana91]

I am not an expert also but they are not excessive documentations. You probably don't have a property or know how attached people are to it once they get it. It also shows a form of stability and responsibility ( Its psychology). Yes, people sell their properties for various reasons, but it is the same way people divorce their spouse, or are deadbeat parents. But when you look at the ratio of people who stay in their marriages, keep their properties or be good parents, you find that they are more than does who don't. Of course, they know some people won't return to their home countries, but they do that for the ratio.

Not withstanding you need to show some type of asset, and whether or not the asset should be in your name depends on your age. Students below 26 years are typically expected to have some sort of support, so showing your parents asset and financial status will suffice. When you are above 30 you are expected to be self sufficient or sponsoring yourself at least 80% so having your own asset would help. Either way, you have to show some form of Asset.

Anything that can help you prove your financial status is also very important.

People don't put in these documentation for the sake of it, but based on the reasons for refusal of other applicants.

Here is an example of the reasons given for denial of another applicant: link-- https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/visa-refusal.705485/

• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on your personal assets and financial status.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on your family ties in Canada and in your country of residence.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on the purpose of your visit.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on the limited employment prospects in your country of residence.

Most people use their properties to show as proof of personal assets. Don't think any document is excessive especially if it is your first application. If you have it, include it.

Thank you for your reply. Actually whole study cost could be covered by myself. But, one lawyer suggest me that if i can show some money of my mother, it implies that during study period my mother could help if i face any problem and my mother has a good intention to spend money into my study. Thats why I showed a little amount of money of my mother. But, I didn't think your point is valid and has a good logic also. As I didn't get any cause from VO, i suspect the cause would be purpose of visit or not leave canada after study as my age is 34. Let's see what comes. Thank you for your point

 

[marmik1617]

Thank you for your reply. Actually whole study cost could be covered by myself. But, one lawyer suggest me that if i can show some money of my mother, it implies that during study period my mother could help if i face any problem and my mother has a good intention to spend money into my study. Thats why I showed a little amount of money of my mother. But, I didn't think your point is valid and has a good logic also. As I didn't get any cause from VO, i suspect the cause would be purpose of visit or not leave canada after study as my age is 34. Let's see what comes. Thank you for your point

Absolutely right. I completely agree with you. Vo mood, Daily target, Our profile, Province, Course all things are matter. Don't worry reapply after getting GCMS notes. Have you got refusal letter ? If yes then only purpose of visit reason is there ?

 

[shopnodana91]

Absolutely right. I completely agree with you. Vo mood, Daily target, Our profile, Province, Course all things are matter. Don't worry reapply after getting GCMS notes. Have you got refusal letter ? If yes then only purpose of visit reason is there ?

No cause have written. Profile shows that eligibilty not meets and visa refused. I have applied for gcms note. Lets see what comes.

 

[co2020]

Absolutely right. I completely agree with you. Vo mood, Daily target, Our profile, Province, Course all things are matter. Don't worry reapply after getting GCMS notes. Have you got refusal letter ? If yes then only purpose of visit reason is there ?

Thank you for your reply. Actually whole study cost could be covered by myself. But, one lawyer suggest me that if i can show some money of my mother, it implies that during study period my mother could help if i face any problem and my mother has a good intention to spend money into my study. Thats why I showed a little amount of money of my mother. But, I didn't think your point is valid and has a good logic also. As I didn't get any cause from VO, i suspect the cause would be purpose of visit or not leave canada after study as my age is 34. Let's see what comes. Thank you for your point

No, I wasn't replying based on your application. I was responding to @aspirant256 claim that providing Assets or pay slips etc. documents is being excessive.

Yes get your GCMS file, that is the only way to know the real reason.

It will eventually work out. Good Luck.

 

[aspirant256]

I am not an expert also but they are not excessive documentations. You probably don't have a property or know how attached people are to it once they get it. It also shows a form of stability and responsibility ( Its psychology). Yes, people sell their properties for various reasons, but it is the same way people divorce their spouse, or are deadbeat parents. But when you look at the ratio of people who stay in their marriages, keep their properties or be good parents, you find that they are more than does who don't. Of course, they know some people won't return to their home countries, but they do that for the ratio.

Not withstanding you need to show some type of asset, and whether or not the asset should be in your name depends on your age. Students below 26 years are typically expected to have some sort of support, so showing your parents asset and financial status will suffice. When you are above 30 you are expected to be self sufficient or sponsoring yourself at least 80% so having your own asset would help. Either way, you have to show some form of Asset.

Anything that can help you prove your financial status is also very important.

People don't put in these documentation for the sake of it, but based on the reasons for refusal of other applicants.

Here is an example of the reasons given for denial of another applicant: link-- https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/visa-refusal.705485/

• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on your personal assets and financial status.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on your family ties in Canada and in your country of residence.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on the purpose of your visit.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on the limited employment prospects in your country of residence.

Most people use their properties to show as proof of personal assets. Don't think any document is excessive especially if it is your first application. If you have it, include it.

I am still not convinced that property documents should be submitted, I think they are irrelevant in all cases. IRCC is only concerned if you would not reside in Canada illegally, doesn't matter if you have no money or a lot of money. Immovable assets can be sold before leaving for Canada so they don't make any sense as ties, they are not the same as divorcing your spouse. You could have 10 real estate properties but only one spouse. Spouse and children are strong ties, can't be compared with real estate. Parents and siblings are not families, so they are not ties at all. Just because you have a property in your name doesn't mean you have to attach it to your application. You could have a hundred other things as well.