Kiwi and German/Kiwi Skilled worker or Express Entry for eventual citizenship? VERY confused, please help

[MrBobDobalina]

My partner and I really love the ocean, we love boating and spearfishing, I realise the water is very cold haha. But there are some lovely dive spots with the right gear.

Also Im an IT Manager/Project Manager with an IT Degree, my partner is a Senior Ecologist both in the field with flora and fauna and in Project Management making sure data for Bio Diversity is kept and stored correctly in GIS etc. She hold a Doctorate in Zoology.

1.We want to avoid any French requirements as neither of us are fluent, which cities will be more suitable for English only based on the aforementioned skill sets?

2.Which Visa should we apply for to become citizens eventually, the Work Permit or the Express one?

3.How do they mark the English exams, are there examples online on how good our English will need to be?

4.I will get no age points as Im 46yo, however the wife is 39 and should pickup some points, Im not sure how many are needed as the website doesnt say?

A bit confused, please help

 

[Naturgrl]

1. If the ocean is your thing then the east or west coasts. Look BC as it is English.
2.IELTS is the standard exam. Look at their site.
3. You aren’t eligible for a work permit and you may not be eligible for express entry due to age. Look at whether you are eligible (67 minimun) but you will not have near enough scores of 470 for an invitation.

Your age is going to be a barrier in immigrating. So your only option is a job offer. Employer will need a LMIA and needs to prove that no Canadian can do the job. Employer needs to complete a market assessment and show why hiring a foreign worker will grow their business and enable them to hire Canadians. Then with a positive LMIA, you apply for a closed work permit. The process takes a long time. And with many out of work and high unemploymen, LMIAs are harder to secure.

 

[MrBobDobalina]

Then with a positive LMIA, you apply for a closed work permit. The process takes a long time. And with many out of work and high unemploymen, LMIAs are harder to secure.

Geeze that seems really harsh that we have no other options than Job Offers. Is 480 the combined score required? If one of us got a Job offer does that mean the partner gets to follow?

I know the Mrs will have a lot of Job Offers in Ecology to Biology, either in science or in management. Me, Im nothing special, just a Manager of software projects.

Well there goes our dream of living in a similar culture (in our experience) to our own :-( Feel very deflated.

I think NZ should consider tightening its immigration if it is this hard to enter another country.

 

[Naturgrl]

Geeze that seems really harsh that we have no other options than Job Offers. Is 480 the combined score required? If one of us got a Job offer does that mean the partner gets to follow?

Well there goes our dream of living in a similar culture (in our experience) to our own :-(

470 is the current score for an invitation. Canadian immigration focuses on those who study and work in Canada, are under 30 with a masters and 2-3 years work experience. Last week it was announced that those now apply who are fluent in both languages will get an extra 25 points. So many people are going to be taking language lessons. Look at provincial nomination programs then but you will come across the same issue - age and need of a job offer.

You can try applying for jobs but without work authorization, employers may not look at it.

 

[MrBobDobalina]

You can try applying for jobs but without work authorization, employers may not look at it.

So essentially you are saying it is impossible realistically? If 480 points is per person, that is near impossible to achieve even if you were younger. YOu will end up with a lot of "so called professionals", young with a piece of paper from the back of a serial box.

So much for work experience and education :-(

What about if the Mrs was offered a job, do we both get to travel and then I can apply for work while I am there?

There are a LOT of tech jobs, salaries are really low. Which is the biggest city for commerce and technology?

If I get a job saying 2-3 years, how long after the job has finished do I have to find another job until Ive met residency or citizenship standards?

Thanks

 

[scylla]

Geeze that seems really harsh that we have no other options than Job Offers. Is 480 the combined score required? If one of us got a Job offer does that mean the partner gets to follow?

I know the Mrs will have a lot of Job Offers in Ecology to Biology, either in science or in management. Me, Im nothing special, just a Manager of software projects.

Well there goes our dream of living in a similar culture (in our experience) to our own :-( Feel very deflated.

I think NZ should consider tightening its immigration if it is this hard to enter another country.

I'm not sure what you mean by combined score. One of you need to be the primary applicant and that individual needs to reach the 470+ score level to have a chance of being selected. To get the 50 job offer points, one of you would need to secure a job offer in Canada that is supported by an approved LMIA (this is something an employer has to obtain). It's generally very difficult to find employers willing to go through this process. However if your wife has extremely specialized skills, that may be feasible. You can certainly try.

If your wife is the primary applicant, you would be a dependent in the application which means you would immigrate together.

 

[Naturgrl]

So essentially you are saying it is impossible realistically? If 480 points is per person, that is near impossible to achieve even if you were younger. YOu will end up with a lot of "so called professionals", young with a piece of paper from the back of a serial box.

So much for work experience and education :-(

What about if the Mrs was offered a job, do we both get to travel and then I can apply for work while I am there?

There are a LOT of tech jobs, salaries are really low. Which is the biggest city for commerce and technology?

Thanks

480 is for a profile for both of you. One is the main applicant (usually the person with higher education and younger) and the other is accompanying. You apply together. You both need educational assessments and language tests to put your names in the pool. If your spouse gets a job offer, LMIA and closed work permit, you may be eligible for a work permit. Work permits are temporary. Commerce and technology...Toronto. IT - Waterloo. Montreal and Ottawa are big tech centres too.

 

[scylla]

So essentially you are saying it is impossible realistically? If 480 points is per person, that is near impossible to achieve even if you were younger. YOu will end up with a lot of "so called professionals", young with a piece of paper from the back of a serial box.

So much for work experience and education :-(

What about if the Mrs was offered a job, do we both get to travel and then I can apply for work while I am there?

There are a LOT of tech jobs, salaries are really low. Which is the biggest city for commerce and technology?

If I get a job saying 2-3 years, how long after the job has finished do I have to find another job until Ive met residency or citizenship standards?

Thanks

You can calculate your estimated points here:

https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp

I would focus on determining if your wife is able to secure a job that is spported by an approved LMIA. I think that's really what is going to determine if your plans are feasible.

You have to become a permanent resident before you can qualify for citizenship thorugh a program like Express Entry above. To qualify for citizenship, you have to live in Canada for three years.

 

[MrBobDobalina]

LMIA and closed work permit, you may be eligible for a work permit. Work permits are temporary. Commerce and technology...Toronto. IT - Waterloo. Montreal and Ottawa are big tech centres too.

Thank you, I just noticed that, there are a lot more IT Management roles in Toronto, Ive heard good things about it. shame its not near the ocean, but such is life.

A lot of jobs have really easy requirements, some say degree or similar work experience, 2-3 years work experience and that is for a $130k job.

So to get 480 points, if I only am worth 200 points but she is worth 280 points that would work? And this is for the express system?

Still a bit confused about about the Language points worth in points, I dont see where that is stated?

The only other way to get in is to apply for jobs? Are there websites specifically for companies open to hiring non residents? Do I then have to apply for a work visa?

I see a lot say "Anyone who can legally work in Canada can apply for this job. If you are not currently authorized to work in Canada, the employer will not consider your job application.", I cannot get a work visa first, then apply for the job?

It all has to be through this LMIA system?

Thanks everyone for helping demystify, there might be hope still....

 

[MrBobDobalina]

You can calculate your estimated points here:

https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp

I would focus on determining if your wife is able to secure a job that is spported by an approved LMIA. I think that's really what is going to determine if your plans are feasible.

You have to become a permanent resident before you can qualify for citizenship thorugh a program like Express Entry above. To qualify for citizenship, you have to live in Canada for three years.

Thanks, are there any websites with Jobs we can apply for already approved my LMIA?

People think we are crazy leaving beautiful New Zealand, to want to live in North America, but its been a dream of mine since a kid. I also like hunting for meat that I eat, if you cant hunt or collect imo you do not need meat.

 

[scylla]

Thank you, I just noticed that, there are a lot more IT Management roles in Toronto, Ive heard good things about it. shame its not near the ocean, but such is life.

A lot of jobs have really easy requirements, some say degree or similar work experience, 2-3 years work experience and that is for a $130k job.

So to get 480 points, if I only am worth 200 points but she is worth 280 points that would work? And this is for the express system?

Still a bit confused about about the Language points worth in points, I dont see where that is stated?

The only other way to get in is to apply for jobs? Are there websites specifically for companies open to hiring non residents? Do I then have to apply for a work visa?

I see a lot say "Anyone who can legally work in Canada can apply for this job. If you are not currently authorized to work in Canada, the employer will not consider your job application.", I cannot get a work visa first, then apply for the job?

It all has to be through this LMIA system?

Thanks everyone for helping demystify, there might be hope still....

- When you see a job posting that says anyone who can legally work in Canada can apply for the job, that means they will not consider candidates like you since you are not authorized to work in Canada at this time.
- You (or your spouse) needs to find an employer who is willing to give you a job offer and also go through the LMIA process so that you can qualify for a work permit. You can't simply apply for a work permit. You need a job offer and approved LMIA. LMIA is something your employer needs to obtain and it takes months with no guarantee of approval.
- There are no websites specifically for companies open to hiring non residents. You need to apply for jobs and get super lucky in finding an employer willing to support you on the work permit process.
- Express Entry points details can be found here:
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/eligibility/criteria-comprehensive-ranking-system/grid.html

 

[scylla]

Thanks, are there any websites with Jobs we can apply for already approved my LMIA?

People think we are crazy leaving beautiful New Zealand, to want to live in North America, but its been a dream of mine since a kid. I also like hunting for meat that I eat, if you cant hunt or collect imo you do not need meat.

No - There are no such web sites.

Yes - I think you are completely insane. But personal choice of course. I guess I can sort of see your perspective. Wekas try to steal my stuff each time I visit your wonderful country. Maybe you've finally had enough.

 

[Naturgrl]

Thank you, I just noticed that, there are a lot more IT Management roles in Toronto, Ive heard good things about it. shame its not near the ocean, but such is life.

A lot of jobs have really easy requirements, some say degree or similar work experience, 2-3 years work experience and that is for a $130k job.

So to get 480 points, if I only am worth 200 points but she is worth 280 points that would work? And this is for the express system?

Still a bit confused about about the Language points worth in points, I dont see where that is stated?

The only other way to get in is to apply for jobs? Are there websites specifically for companies open to hiring non residents? Do I then have to apply for a work visa?

I see a lot say "Anyone who can legally work in Canada can apply for this job. If you are not currently authorized to work in Canada, the employer will not consider your job application.", I cannot get a work visa first, then apply for the job?

It all has to be through this LMIA system?

Thanks everyone for helping demystify, there might be hope still....

CRS points do’t work like that if your wife is the primary applicant, her score includes age, education, language and work experience. You are asked about language and education.

You can’t get a work permit first. You need a job offer and then LMIA then closed work permit. You don’t have work authorisait-on. If you are a specialized skill and no other Canadian can be found maybe LMIA exempt but still need the permit. There are no websites for hiring non residents...many people ask.

You need to take the IELTS.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/documents/language-requirements.html

Also Toronto is about as far as fishing and hunting as you can get. Your wife, even with a PhD may have diff because most of her job opportunities may be with government agencies where you need to be Canadian or a PR, and be fluent.

 

[MrBobDobalina]

- Express Entry points details can be found here:

Thanks. So I added up our scores and even if we got perfect language we are just short at 470 points. I didnt know which test was applicable to be honest, but if I selected middle scores, we were well under at 370. It kept mentioning if we had done courses etc, of course that is impossible if we havnt lived there.

SO, it looks like its impossible to immigrate to Canada from NZ if you are 47 :-(. That really bums me out as I thought our combined education and work experience would count for a lot more than it does. It seems age is the most important thing.

LMIA jobs sound impossible, that would mean applying for every job and asking if they will sponsor you, which leaves you in a risky position if they terminate the job, then you have to leave immediately.

 

[scylla]

Also Toronto is about as far as fishing and hunting as you can get.

You can get to good fishing from Toronto but have to be willing to drive a few hours. The Lake Nipissing region is amazing. I can't comment on hunting.