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New travel exemption for immediate family member not being honoured or implemented by OUTCAN visa offices

CDNsoldier

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The fee for spousal sponsorship doesn't come close to the cost of precessing the application. It makes no profit for the government. The system operates at a loss.
Your official source for this fact?

I think I read quit the opposite (officially) that IRCC ensures sponsorship cost does not get pushed to all tax payers, only the sponsor. It make sense that refugee claims would operate at a “loss”.
 
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Copingwithlife

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ANY job protection union individuals have was agreed upon by THE employer & the union . It’s called union agreements for a reason . The union AND employer agreed upon it , JOINTLY .The employer can always say no . So when people go off the rails against unions , remember; workers would have no need for unions at all , if management was decent all the time , but from history , that’s not going to happen any time soon
If people had it there way, there would have been absolutely no precautions taken at all during this pandemic for workers . They would have just been collateral damage in the scheme of things
 
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canuck78

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Your official source for this fact?

I think I read quit the opposite (officially) that IRCC ensures sponsorship cost does not get pushed to all tax payers, only the sponsor. It make sense that refugee claims would operate at a “loss”.
I can spend longer looking for more information if you don’t believe me but there is always debates about keeping fees accessible for low income Canadians. If citizenship application were not totally covered by the $530 application in 2015 and citizenship applications are much easier to review it is easy to deduce that spousal sponsorship would be more than double the cost of citizenship. Canada pays someone to review that all forms are included and filled out properly before people get A0R, believe someone either makes copies or scans the applications (which is ridiculous but true), a doctor review medicals, there is criminal and security screenings done by other agencies and then the case officers processing time. There are cost of interviews abroad, sending applications abroad to finish processing, etc. There are other steps but you get the point. That doesn’t take into account the cost of operating all the offices for the employees or staffing both the customer service line as well as those who reply to email questions.

https://www.immigration.ca/canada-s-citizenship-fee-raised
 

lovely89

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Many apply without consultants or lawyers. It is not a requirement. Your argument was that the government makes money on spousal sponsorship which isn’t correct.

Have you been to a government office or any large office building? There is definitely human contact just not with outsiders. There are thousands of employees using the same space. Any of them could have covid.

Whether delays are right or wrong they are life and we’re all making sacrifices because of covid.

People misunderstood the announcement. Yes spouses and parents were granted exceptions to travel but nowhere in the statement did it say that those without TRVs would be granted TRVs to travel. This is pure politics. Looks good but mean something else. Given the limited flights from some of the covid hotspots the people entering Canada is somewhat limited. One of the ways Canada is trying to keep are covid levels low is the minimize contact with other countries.
Majority apply with lawyers (they are not obligatory but it's very advisable). The government makes the enough money of the spousal sponsorship needed, in reply that you were telling us they make it at loss, I say it's not a loss.

I have been in canadian embassies outside Canada (where I didn't see thousands of employees like you said), I haven't been in Canada nor in this building of Nuva Scotia, but if you say there are thousands of workers all confined there in small spaces, then I believe you and you are right with your arguments.. it would surprise me to see this there, not even in my country not developed I see this. If not, use of masks, gel sanitizers, and enough personal space and problem solved.

I understand the sacrifices when they are fair, but why are the rest of sparing buildings opened then? Not even use of masks or faceshields are asked to go to a gym, a restaurant or a bar now in Canada (and it's not my invention, it's the true) So it's a double sense all of this. The only sacrifices here that I see just now are for us and our spouses in Canada who are without their beloved and still have to continue working against all pronostics (knowing that if they don't work, the application falls down) nobody knows how worried are our canadian spouses with this situation of the sponsorship and the responsability of making enough money to qualify with this, they didn't have the choice of stop working. But the applications after 4 months are not even being processed, this is not fair.

TRV: they are not granted, but prioritized to process (to say approved or refused) to family members, look: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/coronavirus-covid19/apply-visit-work-student.html#apply-visa in temporary processing chsnges section

If you need to apply for a visitor visa
If you’re eligible to travel to Canada at this time, you need to tell us so that we can prioritize the processing of your application.

We’re prioritizing applications for essential (non-discretionary) travel during this time.

You also must meet all regular visitor visa eligibility and admissibility requirements.

Step 1: If you need a visitor visa to travel to Canada, you must apply online for one. Only online applications will be accepted and processed.

Step 2: When answering the question on the application form about the purpose of travel, enter the following information exactly as written to ensure your application is prioritized:
  • For question 1 a) purpose of travel, choose “other” from the drop-down menu.
  • For question 1 b) description field, write “COVID-19” exactly like this (you must use capital letters).
Step 3: You must submit evidence that you’re eligible to travel at this time.

The type of evidence you need to submit depends on what you qualify for. For example, if you qualify as an immediate family member of a Canadian citizen or Canadian permanent resident, you can provide one of the following:
  • a letter of support from your family member
  • your birth certificate
  • your marriage licence
  • a letter from your spouse, partner or parent
 

CDNsoldier

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The reason that the entire country is back or work but government agencies like IRCC is still at home is bcs, RICC won’t stimulate the economy but the bars, malls and restaurants will. So the Gov took a risk to open retail for tax revenue, but not gov funded agencies bcs the gov is broke. IMO! The government is in a rush to open up the economy for revenue but they will not rush to open up government agencies as they don’t bring revenue like the private sector. It’s all about risk mitigation and revenue.
 
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Ksavier

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The fee for spousal sponsorship doesn't come close to the cost of precessing the application. It makes no profit for the government. The system operates at a loss. The government will not make people pay the actual cost of processing sponsorship because it would prevent many lower income family from sponsoring spouses. Nobody is saying that Canada will stop processing spousal sponsorship. Processing will be delayed. Everyone is being affected by delays due to covid. For example people who are waiting for cancer surgery also had their surgeries delayed for over 2-3 months. Covid has caused major dusruptions. Most spouses never got approved for TRVs because they were not temporary visitors. This hasn't changed due to covid.
Do you have any proof that Canada government looses money on family sponsorships?
 
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scylla

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App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
AOR Received.
19-08-2010
File Transfer...
28-06-2010
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01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
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Do you have any proof that Canada government looses money on family sponsorships?
I'll jump in here.... The numbers have been published before. I'll try to find the link. This isn't specific to family sponsorship applications - but all immigration applications. The fees collected don't cover the total costs to process the applications. The rest is funded by taxpayers. This was one of the drivers for the recent fee increases (i.e. to reduce the burdent on taxpayers - although taxpayers will continue to fund some of it). Let me see if I can find the link.
 
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scylla

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Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
AOR Received.
19-08-2010
File Transfer...
28-06-2010
Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010
Do you have any proof that Canada government looses money on family sponsorships?
Here it is. Note what I've underlined.

http://canadagazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2020/2020-04-01/html/sor-dors45-eng.html

Issues: The Government of Canada promotes a cost-effective approach to financing Government programs, which means that beneficiaries of services should contribute to the costs of those services. A significant imbalance exists between the cost of providing services to permanent resident applicants and the fees paid by them.

Rationale:
These Regulations aim to reduce the subsidization burden on the taxpayer for the management and delivery of permanent resident programs and services. This will be achieved through shifting more of the cost burden on to the users who benefit the most from the service (i.e. permanent resident applicants) and by ensuring that fees rise on a biennial basis at a pace commensurate with inflation.
 
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