Business analyst query

[animwins]

Hi,
I am a banker with more than 10+ yrs experience as a Credit analyst. But in the last 4yrs except for a gap of 6 months, I have been extensively working as a Business analyst for 3-4 automation projects for 2 banks. I'm a PGDM (MBA) and I did not get involved into programming directly. So, will this be considered under Business analyst role and will the NOC be 2171 ?

Note: Gap analysis, SRS, Designing, Prototype, Testing, Training - I have handled it all myself with the vendors and my manager will happily agree to give certificate as such.

 

[animwins]

Dear Experts, Please help - need your advise !

 

[Islander216]

You should look at your duties and responsibilities as per what you would get in your work reference and cross-verify them with the lead statement for the NOC you're looking at applying under, and if they match you should apply under that NOC.

 

[joconstantine]

Hi,
I am a banker with more than 10+ yrs experience as a Credit analyst. But in the last 4yrs except for a gap of 6 months, I have been extensively working as a Business analyst for 3-4 automation projects for 2 banks. I'm a PGDM (MBA) and I did not get involved into programming directly. So, will this be considered under Business analyst role and will the NOC be 2171 ?

Note: Gap analysis, SRS, Designing, Prototype, Testing, Training - I have handled it all myself with the vendors and my manager will happily agree to give certificate as such.

NOC 2171 seems to be IT-related.

 

[animwins]

NOC 2171 seems to be IT-related.

That's exactly my doubt. But there is no other clear NOC other than this.

 

[animwins]

You should look at your duties and responsibilities as per what you would get in your work reference and cross-verify them with the lead statement for the NOC you're looking at applying under, and if they match you should apply under that NOC.

Here my point is : The Bussiness Analyst profile is included in 2171 but also includes software related responsibilities. I have cross verified them. This is the best suitable one. But I'm working in a bank and not a software Co. And I'm not into programming. This is client side Business analyst whereas the NOC stresses on vendor side Business analyst. So, will these be accepted under 2171?
Expert Business Analysts Pl help.

 

[animwins]

I'm eligible for two NOCs - 0122 (credit professionals) and 2171. I have been handling both at the same time in equal balance in last 4 yrs. Now if employer is ready to give based on 2171 due to Good work done but this is purely business analyst in a bank and I'm not into software programming. Can I choose 2171 as my NOC still?

 

[Islander216]

0122 is for type A occupations, which means it's for managers. You would have to be sure you meet that criteria. Do you have manager in your title?

I see the issue, your role is as a purely financial business analyst, but the NOC 2171 is mainly for software programmers.

In this case, i would not choose 2171 because it's under the subgroup for IT professionals.

You need to find an NOC where you're under a business and finance subgroup.

Check out 1112 and 1114.

1112: https://noc.esdc.gc.ca/Structure/NocProfile/833c27f8c95d4c4c9d84dcbceff40e7e?objectid=CW052Os/uWF0F9vD6CIrIlvn5jD1Kqtj2cV4L88R8WgSJsYPJUA9C3adj6nNhP0T

1114: https://noc.esdc.gc.ca/Structure/NocProfile/899f81c41ad140efbed083d53e2806ae?objectid=pcs3HlwKcpBngdQc8Gv1w7twutphiZpWkfm2pKQpxqoB33sAkprvmcDREBybsFST

 

[animwins]

0122 is for type A occupations, which means it's for managers. You would have to be sure you meet that criteria. Do you have manager in your title?

I see the issue, your role is as a purely financial business analyst, but the NOC 2171 is mainly for software programmers.

In this case, i would not choose 2171 because it's under the subgroup for IT professionals.

You need to find an NOC where you're under a business and finance subgroup.

Check out 1112 and 1114.

1112: https://noc.esdc.gc.ca/Structure/NocProfile/833c27f8c95d4c4c9d84dcbceff40e7e?objectid=CW052Os/uWF0F9vD6CIrIlvn5jD1Kqtj2cV4L88R8WgSJsYPJUA9C3adj6nNhP0T

1114: https://noc.esdc.gc.ca/Structure/NocProfile/899f81c41ad140efbed083d53e2806ae?objectid=pcs3HlwKcpBngdQc8Gv1w7twutphiZpWkfm2pKQpxqoB33sAkprvmcDREBybsFST

Hello, Yes, from past 10Yrs - I always had Manager in my Title and I have also been a Team Manager.

But in the past 4Yrs, I was equally working as a Business Analyst as well. In 2171, following exist by which I felt this NOC can be choosen:

• Information systems business analysts and consultants confer with clients to identify and document requirements, conduct business and technical studies, design, develop, integrate and implement information systems business solutions, and provide advice on information systems strategy, policy, management, security and service delivery.
• Systems security analysts confer with clients to identify and document requirements, assess physical and technical security risks to data,
• Information systems quality assurance analysts develop and implement policies and procedures throughout the software development life cycle to maximize the efficiency, effectiveness and overall quality of software products and information systems
• Systems auditors conduct independent third-party reviews to assess quality assurance practices, software products and information systems.

In the above 2171 job responsibilities, 1st point met as per above writeup and I believe other pts. 2-4 are for other positions. Education also says Business Administration and I have a PGDM 2Yr course (Canadian equivalency: 1Yr Diploma). Will this suffice for the visa officer to get convinced ?
Business Analyst in a Bank.

 

[Vixz879]

Hello, Yes, from past 10Yrs - I always had Manager in my Title and I have also been a Team Manager.

But in the past 4Yrs, I was equally working as a Business Analyst as well. In 2171, following exist by which I felt this NOC can be choosen:

• Information systems business analysts and consultants confer with clients to identify and document requirements, conduct business and technical studies, design, develop, integrate and implement information systems business solutions, and provide advice on information systems strategy, policy, management, security and service delivery.
• Systems security analysts confer with clients to identify and document requirements, assess physical and technical security risks to data,
• Information systems quality assurance analysts develop and implement policies and procedures throughout the software development life cycle to maximize the efficiency, effectiveness and overall quality of software products and information systems
• Systems auditors conduct independent third-party reviews to assess quality assurance practices, software products and information systems.

In the above 2171 job responsibilities, 1st point met as per above writeup and I believe other pts. 2-4 are for other positions. Education also says Business Administration and I have a PGDM 2Yr course (Canadian equivalency: 1Yr Diploma). Will this suffice for the visa officer to get convinced ?
Business Analyst in a Bank.

What i feel is unless you are part of the bank's IT team who gathers requirements from the ops teams working in different modules and implement an IT solution on your own, then you cant express yourself as a BA according to 2171. Reason being, a BA relies on requirements gathering from the SME or domain expert which you might have done for the specific horizontal of F&A. Simple 2171 is applicable if you have authored a design doc and supported the implementation or until UAT testing. Ideally a BA in 2171 need not restrict themselves to banking domain.

Generally, most banks outsource to IT companies with a representative from their end guiding the BAs in terms of subject matter. I hope this is clear enough.

 

[Islander216]

Agreed, i think insisting on 2171 is a bad idea, you don't have the software background for it.

 

[animwins]

What i feel is unless you are part of the bank's IT team who gathers requirements from the ops teams working in different modules and implement an IT solution on your own, then you cant express yourself as a BA according to 2171. Reason being, a BA relies on requirements gathering from the SME or domain expert which you might have done for the specific horizontal of F&A. Simple 2171 is applicable if you have authored a design doc and supported the implementation or until UAT testing. Ideally a BA in 2171 need not restrict themselves to banking domain.

Generally, most banks outsource to IT companies with a representative from their end guiding the BAs in terms of subject matter. I hope this is clear enough.

Guys, Many Thanks to both of you for all the clarity
But just see in this perspective.

I have taken requirements from various teams - Corporate banking, Retail banking, Risk departments & Credit Commitee. Discussed and explained to the vendor. Participated and guided the vendor in all the meetings regarding gap analysis, wherein I was accompanied by an IT person only. Amended SRS submitted by the vendor after taking inputs from all these departments. Signed the SRS along with other department heads. Prototype was designed and presented to me which was amended completely. Design changes were made by me and was presented to all corporate departments. Design changes include which text box / text editor to be placed in which space and what info to produce along with how it will look. This involved many new functionalities which I pitched in myself and the vendor is now using it elsewhere in other projects. Also suggested the vendor which text editor to use by testing it extensively online. Basically, inch by inch I got it designed by them.
Testing phase was headed by me and tested it thoroughly along with incorporating many new features.
Basically, project was build from scratch by me including technical suggestions which have been completely captured officially. After completion of project presentation and trainings to all departments upto DCEO was done by me.

The only aspect which I dint control was project cost.

Now doesn't this look like a Business Analyst role? Only exception being that its in a bank. Similar work done for another 2 other projects. For technical functioning of the portals upto training was completely handled by me.

Please suggest if this would look convincing or it wouldn't. Would love to hear your opinion.

 

[Vixz879]

Guys, Many Thanks to both of you for all the clarity
But just see in this perspective.

I have taken requirements from various teams - Corporate banking, Retail banking, Risk departments & Credit Commitee. Discussed and explained to the vendor. Participated and guided the vendor in all the meetings regarding gap analysis, wherein I was accompanied by an IT person only. Amended SRS submitted by the vendor after taking inputs from all these departments. Signed the SRS along with other department heads. Prototype was designed and presented to me which was amended completely. Design changes were made by me and was presented to all corporate departments. Design changes include which text box / text editor to be placed in which space and what info to produce along with how it will look. This involved many new functionalities which I pitched in myself and the vendor is now using it elsewhere in other projects. Also suggested the vendor which text editor to use by testing it extensively online. Basically, inch by inch I got it designed by them.
Testing phase was headed by me and tested it thoroughly along with incorporating many new features.
Basically, project was build from scratch by me including technical suggestions which have been completely captured officially. After completion of project presentation and trainings to all departments upto DCEO was done by me.

The only aspect which I dint control was project cost.

Now doesn't this look like a Business Analyst role? Only exception being that its in a bank. Similar work done for another 2 other projects. For technical functioning of the portals upto training was completely handled by me.

Please suggest if this would look convincing or it wouldn't. Would love to hear your opinion.

Well its more of a non tech BA as you clearly said you dont draft the SRS but you amend the SRS and provide approvals. Anyways if you are convinced and can get a reference letter in line with the NOC then yeah why not.

 

[animwins]

Well its more of a non tech BA as you clearly said you dont draft the SRS but you amend the SRS and provide approvals. Anyways if you are convinced and can get a reference letter in line with the NOC then yeah why not.

Thanks Vixz. But my doubt is whether Visa officer will get convinced Or will it be difficult to convince him? Yes I can get an experience letter in the above fashion along with credit analyst role as well - as I actually handled both at the same time.