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Ray of Hope - 149th Draw - CEC

NiclasB

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FSWs are not entering Canada the moment they receive ITAs, they will have 3 months to submit their application and at least 6 months to have their applications processed, and most likely will take longer. By then, there will either be a vaccine or most countries will have herd immunity. Applicants are also going to have their medicals done, and can be tested for covid when they land.

I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to be invited at least as from July onwards.
Unfortunately herd immunity and vaccine is going to take a lot longer than end of 2020. Even if we have a vaccine by that point, drug companies are talking about having a few million doses available. For a world of 7.5 billion people, it will take a long time before we are back to normal. Chances are bigger that next winter gets a wave even worse than this one
 

starlordavuthu

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they are going to increase the h1b minimum salary required in usa to level 4 which is about 150K - 225K depending on the location. only about 5% of h1b's get this salary.
Just curious, who are going to increase H1B salary to Level 4? BTW I am in the states on H1B and never heard anything like this
 

Islander216

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Unfortunately herd immunity and vaccine is going to take a lot longer than end of 2020. Even if we have a vaccine by that point, drug companies are talking about having a few million doses available. For a world of 7.5 billion people, it will take a long time before we are back to normal. Chances are bigger that next winter gets a wave even worse than this one
Sure, but as an FSW candidate, you can pay for a vaccine if it means you can immigrate, you could even get the vaccine from the Canadian government, and have it administered when you get your medical or when you land. It would just be another fee you pay along with what you're already paying for your immigration expenses.

The world can't stop functioning because of covid, it's just a reality that we have to live with now. But by next year we should have options open to dealing with the situation such as a vaccine.

This notion that FSWs are going to be a major health risk is silly, Canadians and PRs are going to keep coming to and going from Canada, and will be no more or less of a threat than an FSW who is landing.

International travel is already occurring now by late 2020, it will probably be significantly expanded.
 
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rajapanesar

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App. Filed.......
19/09/2019
Hi, I am a inland applicant with Crs score 463!
I will apply for PR end of June or 1st week of July when I complete 1 year of working experience! But the problem is my score will drop to 458 in October when I turn 30! Do you think cec draws will continue in July or August as well
Hope not, but I do hope you get picked in regular draws.
 

zabrodov

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Sep 19, 2018
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Gatineau
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FSW
Visa Office......
Montreal
NOC Code......
4163
App. Filed.......
11-11-2018
AOR Received.
11-11-2018
File Transfer...
24-01-2019
Passport Req..
02-08-2019
LANDED..........
02-09-2019
The thing that stopped FSW draws was worldwide travel restrictions not the unemployment rate or the land border closures. The world is slowly coming back to life, so good news is right around the corner for FSW candidates. I do not understand why people think the unemployment rate has anything to do with IRCC suddenly inviting CEC candidates.
Because continuing bringing outland immigrants while local people experience job and income losses is not a smart decision in a political sense.
Also, the government has spent tremendous amount of money on aid and there is going to a process of cutting costs and expenses to lower the deficit, therefore immigration might also lose its share of the federal budget.

Right now, internal matters are the key focus of every government in every country. No one cares about potential outland immigrants.

Travel restrictions have little to do with ITAs in my opinion. Travel restrictions will be eased sooner or later and with the current processing times there is a high chance that travel restrictions would be lifted before the first outland immigrant, who would have applied during COVID-19 pandemic, obtained his/her COPR. Also, the government has no issues with extending both COPR validity and requests, but it still decided not to invite FSW candidates, so there might be a different reason for that.
 
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clguy

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they are going to increase the h1b minimum salary required in usa to level 4 which is about 150K - 225K depending on the location. only about 5% of h1b's get this salary.
Minimum H1B salaries are based on prevailing wages. Not sure where you get you information from.
 

skgimcanada

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Though Its been a complex situation to predict why IRCC is not including FSWs in draws, I believe its all about preferring inland applicants who have either achieved Canadian education or Canadian work experience.

Its very clear that unlike USA, who is even thinking to suspend the OPTs, Canada wants its students and foreign employees to remain in Canada.

I am very sure that general draws would resume once the restriction are eased around the countries.

Its would be stupid and a lot of work for immigration officers to go through all the LOEs for incomplete applications and put them on hold.

Stay safe and be positive.


https://www.cicnews.com/2020/05/canada-will-accept-incomplete-study-permit-and-pgwp-applications-0514438.html#gs.746hnv
 

zabrodov

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Sep 19, 2018
655
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Gatineau
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Montreal
NOC Code......
4163
App. Filed.......
11-11-2018
AOR Received.
11-11-2018
File Transfer...
24-01-2019
Passport Req..
02-08-2019
LANDED..........
02-09-2019
Though Its been a complex situation to predict why IRCC is not including FSWs in draws, I believe its all about preferring inland applicants who have either achieved Canadian education or Canadian work experience.
Exactly. Not to say that CEC are mostly employed and contribute to the economy, it's also important to keep students happy because Canadian education needs foreign money. Canada needs students to come and spend their or their parents money tuition, food, living expenses etc, but these students will only come if there is something to come for, which is a path from a school to PR. Everyone knows that here, everyone knows that in the US, but US's potential decision on OPT would hurt their education system so badly. I don't know why they are even discussing dropping OPT.
 

Islander216

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Anyone who thinks they are "preferring" CEC candidates right now is deluding themselves.

Only reason this is happening is because of the pandemic.

Once things start improving, they will resume all program draws.

There is no reason they would prefer a CEC candidate with a lower score to an FSW with a higher socre.

People will continue to come to study and work in Canada regardless of whether there are all program draws or not.

Yes, foreign students are a big industry in Canada, but they are compensated with points for Canadian education and Canadian experience, postgraduate work permits, and other benefits.

They don't need to be given exclusive draws on a long term basis as an incentive, the only reason this is occurring is because of the pandemic.
 
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indianstudent96

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Ontario, Canada
Category........
CEC
Visa Office......
CPC Sydney
NOC Code......
2281
App. Filed.......
27-06-2020
Doc's Request.
18-08-2020
AOR Received.
27-06-2020
Med's Done....
16-04-2020
Because continuing bringing outland immigrants while local people experience job and income losses is not a smart decision in a political sense.
Also, the government has spent tremendous amount of money on aid and there is going to a process of cutting costs and expenses to lower the deficit, therefore immigration might also lose its share of the federal budget.

Right now, internal matters are the key focus of every government in every country. No one cares about potential outland immigrants.

Travel restrictions have little to do with ITAs in my opinion. Travel restrictions will be eased sooner or later and with the current processing times there is a high chance that travel restrictions would be lifted before the first outland immigrant, who would have applied during COVID-19 pandemic, obtained his/her COPR. Also, the government has no issues with extending both COPR validity and requests, but it still decided not to invite FSW candidates, so there might be a different reason for that.
If this is the case. Why is Canada still keeping Roxham Road open? I agree millions of Canadians have lost their jobs but it would be extremely short-sighted on the government's part if they decide to just stop outland immigration.

I still think they should continue with general draws as soon as they are able to (I understand they are not able to do it now). If they can't allow outland immigrants because too many people are out of jobs, they should close Roxham Road as well. If all it takes to live in Canada is to go to the US as a tourist and cross into Canada 'irregularly,' where is the incentive for people who spend years and money trying to come to Canada legally.

If they decide to temporarily cut the funding for immigration, I feel they might reduce their annual targets until things get better, not stop outland immigration altogether. It is great that IRCC is still doing draws but I have a strong gut feeling that this is only due to the operating capacity of IRCC's offices in foreign countries. I heard that some visa officers working at the overseas locations were forced to come back to Canada due to the pandemic and as a result of that, they are not in a position to accept applications from FSW candidates (who are mostly outland and have to be processed in their respective countries).
 

skgimcanada

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Anyone who thinks they are "preferring" CEC candidates right now is deluding themselves.

Only reason this is happening is because of the pandemic.

One things start improving, they will resume all program draws.

There is no reason they would prefer a CEC candidate with a lower score to an FSW with a higher socre.

People will continue to come to study and work in Canada regardless of whether there are all program draws or not.

Yes, foreign students are a big industry in Canada, but they are compensated with points for Canadian education and Canadian experience, postgraduate work permits, and other benefits.

They don't need to be given exclusive draws on a long term basis as an incentive, the only reason this is occurring is because of the pandemic.
Its a complex situation so no one factor is responsible for the current trend in the draws. If its only about the CRS score, they would have suspended the draws. IRCC is well aware of the stuffs like how much time it takes to process the application starting from ITA issued or who are more deserving.


From IRCC twiter-
We can confirm that Express Entry rounds of invitations are still happening, and at this time, we are continuing to accept and process applications.

Travel restrictions are currently in place for anyone approved for PR after March 18, 2020, but a candidate invited to apply now will likely not have their application processed for at least 6 months.

Recent CEC-only and PNP-only draws were meant to benefit candidates who are already in Canada with a temporary status. Processing of permanent resident applications is continuing.
 

NiclasB

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Sure, but as an FSW candidate, you can pay for a vaccine if it means you can immigrate, you could even get the vaccine from the Canadian government, and have it administered when you get your medical or when you land. It would just be another fee you pay along with what you're already paying for your immigration expenses.

The world can't stop functioning because of covid, it's just a reality that we have to live with now. But by next year we should have options open to dealing with the situation such as a vaccine.

This notion that FSWs are going to be a major health risk is silly, Canadians and PRs are going to keep coming to and going from Canada, and will be no more or less of a threat than an FSW who is landing.

International travel is already occurring now by late 2020, it will probably be significantly expanded.
There won't be a vaccine to pay for. To say that there will be vaccines available for the masses at new years is not looking at the reality of the situation. Even if there is a vaccine in existence, which is far from certain, it will take months and to get the necessary doses. I never said FSW are higher risk. I just said that the notion that we will either have herd immunity, or a vaccine for everyone, by the end of year all over the world, and that corona will be a distant memory, is false.
 
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Islander216

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I don't think there will be one at new year's, but this time next year is definitely a possibility which is probably when most FSWs would be able to land. I don't think i mentioned by year's end as a timeline, i said by the time FSWs would need to land.

There are already several vaccines which are undergoing clinical trials.

Even if there were no vaccines available, testing would effective enough to test people when they land.